Updated Bracketology 2020-2021

[duckboy33]

ACC:
Virginia - 1 seed
Duke - 2 seed
Florida State - 4 seed
UNC - 6 seed
Louisville - 7 seed
Miami FL - 10 seed
NC State - 11 seed

Big 12:
Baylor - 1 seed
Kansas - 2 seed
Texas Tech - 3 seed
West Virginia - 4 seed
Texas - 6 seed
Oklahoma state - 8 seed
Oklahoma - 9 seed

Big East:
Villanova - 1 seed
Creighton - 3 seed
UConn - 9 seed
Providence - 10 seed
Seton Hall - 11 seed

Big Ten:
Wisconsin - 2 seed
Michigan State - 3 seed
Iowa - 3 seed
Ohio State - 5 seed
Michigan - 5 seed
Rutgers - 6 seed
Indiana - 7 seed
Illinois - 8 seed
Purdue - 8 seed

PAC 12:
Oregon - 5 seed
UCLA - 7 seed
Stanford - 8 seed
Colorado - 10 seed
USC - 10 seed
Arizona - 11 seed
Arizona State - 11 seed

SEC:
Kentucky - 2 seed
Tennessee - 5 seed
Florida - 6 seed
LSU - 7 seed
Arkansas - 9 seed
Alabama - 11 seed

Notable Mid Majors:
Gonzaga - 1 seed
San Diego State - 4 seed
Houston - 4 seed
Richmond - 9 seed
St. Louis - 11 seed

 

[IUfanBorden]

Well, shit....Rutgers in----again?

Yep, will be no hoops again.

 

[duckboy33]

Well, shit....Rutgers in----again?

Yep, will be no hoops again.

Rutgers should be a top 25 next year. They have a pretty good squad

 

[MGC_07]

ACC:
Virginia - 1 seed
Duke - 2 seed
Florida State - 4 seed
UNC - 6 seed
Louisville - 7 seed
Miami FL - 10 seed
NC State - 11 seed

Big 12:
Baylor - 1 seed
Kansas - 2 seed
Texas Tech - 3 seed
West Virginia - 4 seed
Texas - 6 seed
Oklahoma state - 8 seed
Oklahoma - 9 seed

Big East:
Villanova - 1 seed
Creighton - 3 seed
UConn - 9 seed
Providence - 10 seed
Seton Hall - 11 seed

Big Ten:
Wisconsin - 2 seed
Michigan State - 3 seed
Iowa - 3 seed
Ohio State - 5 seed
Michigan - 5 seed
Rutgers - 6 seed
Indiana - 7 seed
Illinois - 8 seed
Purdue - 8 seed

PAC 12:
Oregon - 5 seed
UCLA - 7 seed
Stanford - 8 seed
Colorado - 10 seed
USC - 10 seed
Arizona - 11 seed
Arizona State - 11 seed

SEC:
Kentucky - 2 seed
Tennessee - 5 seed
Florida - 6 seed
LSU - 7 seed
Arkansas - 9 seed
Alabama - 11 seed

Notable Mid Majors:
Gonzaga - 1 seed
San Diego State - 4 seed
Houston - 4 seed
Richmond - 9 seed
St. Louis - 11 seed

I don’t love Ohio State as a 5 seed. Lost the Wesson brothers, Carton, Gaffney and we’re the the 7th seed in the Big Ten.

Seth Towns is a good get, but we’ll see how he adjusts, Ivy transfers don’t work out too often.

They also have almost no true size either. Who’s the 5? 6’7 EJ Liddell? Not super high on them personally.

 

[dragonhawk1855]

ACC:
Virginia - 1 seed
Duke - 2 seed
Florida State - 4 seed
UNC - 6 seed
Louisville - 7 seed
Miami FL - 10 seed
NC State - 11 seed

Big 12:
Baylor - 1 seed
Kansas - 2 seed
Texas Tech - 3 seed
West Virginia - 4 seed
Texas - 6 seed
Oklahoma state - 8 seed
Oklahoma - 9 seed

Big East:
Villanova - 1 seed
Creighton - 3 seed
UConn - 9 seed
Providence - 10 seed
Seton Hall - 11 seed

Big Ten:
Wisconsin - 2 seed
Michigan State - 3 seed
Iowa - 3 seed
Ohio State - 5 seed
Michigan - 5 seed
Rutgers - 6 seed
Indiana - 7 seed
Illinois - 8 seed
Purdue - 8 seed

PAC 12:
Oregon - 5 seed
UCLA - 7 seed
Stanford - 8 seed
Colorado - 10 seed
USC - 10 seed
Arizona - 11 seed
Arizona State - 11 seed

SEC:
Kentucky - 2 seed
Tennessee - 5 seed
Florida - 6 seed
LSU - 7 seed
Arkansas - 9 seed
Alabama - 11 seed

Notable Mid Majors:
Gonzaga - 1 seed
San Diego State - 4 seed
Houston - 4 seed
Richmond - 9 seed
St. Louis - 11 seed

who's bracket? as I have not seen 1 with Wisconsin as a 2 seed , a 3 seed yes but never a 2 seed.

 

[DallasJayhawk]

Gonzaga getting a 1-4 seed every year playing in a Jr. High school league is tiresome, schedule 2-3 decent games ooc then some talking tv dunce hypes saint marys and a viable opponent .

 

[JimboBBN]

Kentucky won’t be a 2. We will be lucky to be a 3

 

[Lover of Pearl]

Incredible at the disrespect auburn gets year in and year out. Oh well, Bruce thrives on this shit.

 

[IUfanBorden]

Gonzaga getting a 1-4 seed every year playing in a Jr. High school league is tiresome, schedule 2-3 decent games ooc then some talking tv dunce hypes saint marys and a viable opponent .

They played Oregon, Michigan,Washington,Arizona and UNC...

Year before they played Duke, UNC, Tenn, Arizona

Year before that, Creighton, OSU, Florida, Villanova...

I mean, who else you want them to play?

 

[SheriffBufordTJustice]

Texas is going to be a 2-3 seed or a double digit.

Just how Shaka is.
Even if Greg Brown goes to the G League they have enough talent, depth and experience to be a 2-3.

 

[UL_1986]

We probably looking more like a 5 seed.

 

[GE Nole]

Texas is going to be a 2-3 seed or a double digit.

Just how Shaka is.
Even if Greg Brown goes to the G League they have enough talent, depth and experience to be a 2-3.

9 seed at best. Could be NIT.

 

[SheriffBufordTJustice]

9 seed at best. Could be NIT.

If he plays around and tries to get the players attention.
But he already had that last year. By the end of the season they knew the difference between the games they won and lost.
Problem is he did that without the full team..

Could have issues about who to play and how much time.

Either they win a bunch of games or they are a double seed with something to prove.

 

[Original_Irish]

Gonzaga getting a 1-4 seed every year playing in a Jr. High school league is tiresome, schedule 2-3 decent games ooc then some talking tv dunce hypes saint marys and a viable opponent .

Tired argument.

 

[GE Nole]

If he plays around and tries to get the players attention.
But he already had that last year. By the end of the season they knew the difference between the games they won and lost.
Problem is he did that without the full team..

Could have issues about who to play and how much time.

Either they win a bunch of games or they are a double seed with something to prove.

He’s just not a great coach, man. And yalls talent isn’t THAT good to overcome it.

 

[SheriffBufordTJustice]

He’s just not a great coach, man. And yalls talent isn’t THAT good to overcome it.

I am not going to sit and argue with you.
If you need a coach to get a team ready to play one game Shaka is up there.
Any person in the basketball will tell you this.



Every player on Texas' roster would start elsewhere and a lot of these players at Power Conference schools.
He has that much depth with talent this year.


You sit here and tell everyone how great Leonard Hamilton is.
I agree.

But Hamilton wasn't doing much his first 10 seasons at Florida State.

 

[GE Nole]

I am not going to sit and argue with you.
If you need a coach to get a team ready to play one game Shaka is up there.
Any person in the basketball will tell you this.



Every player on Texas' roster would start elsewhere and a lot of these players at Power Conference schools.
He has that much depth with talent this year.


You sit here and tell everyone how great Leonard Hamilton is.
I agree.

But Hamilton wasn't doing much his first 10 seasons at Florida State.

Hamilton is a great developer of talent. He’s not a top 10 coach in America, though.

As for his first 10 years at FSU, he had 5 seasons of 22+ wins, a Sweet 16, and an ACC Championship. And that’s after taking over the worst program in the ACC that had just gone 9-21 before he arrived and hadn’t had a winning season in conference play in the previous 10 years.

Shaka is averaging 15.6 losses a year at Texas and is 40-50 in the Big 12. And this is after taking over a program that went to the NCAAT the two years prior to him arriving.

There’s simply not a comparison.

 

[SheriffBufordTJustice]

Hamilton is a great developer of talent. He’s not a top 10 coach in America, though.

As for his first 10 years at FSU, he had 5 seasons of 22+ wins, a Sweet 16, and an ACC Championship. And that’s after taking over the worst program in the ACC that had just gone 9-21 before he arrived and hadn’t had a winning season in conference play in the previous 10 years.

Shaka is averaging 15.6 losses a year at Texas and is 40-50 in the Big 12. And this is after taking over a program that went to the NCAAT the two years prior to him arriving.

There’s simply not a comparison.

At the end of the year there was a difference in the games Texas won and the ones they didn't.

I am not a huge fan in everything he does but ultimately you see how Shaka uses the regular season.

Not all coaches are the same way. In the end Shaka has an idea of how he wants to play and he tries to get the team to that level.

Much easier now when you have players who have been in the program for that long.

Shaka played four games in a row where every offensive set was coming in from the bench
Then the last game he pretty much let them play.

The reason why I really think people underestimate what Shaka did last year was the comments by Matt Coleman.

He pretty much said they know what they have to do to win and when they don't do it they lose.


Same things you see with Florida State and Leonard Hamilton.

But like I said the question becomes how fast are these players buying into what Shaka wants to do.

 

[GE Nole]

At the end of the year there was a difference in the games Texas won and the ones they didn't.

I am not a huge fan in everything he does but ultimately you see how Shaka uses the regular season.

Not all coaches are the same way. In the end Shaka has an idea of how he wants to play and he tries to get the team to that level.

Much easier now when you have players who have been in the program for that long.

Shaka played four games in a row where every offensive set was coming in from the bench
Then the last game he pretty much let them play.

The reason why I really think people underestimate what Shaka did last year was the comments by Matt Coleman.

He pretty much said they know what they have to do to win and when they don't do it they lose.


Same things you see with Florida State and Leonard Hamilton.

But like I said the question becomes how fast are these players buying into what Shaka wants to do.

I have no idea what Matt Coleman said. I watched Texas play and they look poorly coached. The results bear that out. 16 losses on average per year. That speaks for itself.

Part of being a great coach is getting your players to buy into you and your system.

I have no idea what you mean by “same things you see with Florida State and Leonard Hamilton.” FSU doesn’t call plays in from the bench. And there is no question about doing what coach asks or buying in. If you don’t buy in, you don’t play. Period.

When Hamilton had less talent, his system was able to cobble together 18-20 wins. Now that we have been able to bring in better recruits (the kind of recruits Texas has always had), we are winning 25+ games a year.

 

[SheriffBufordTJustice]

I have no idea what Matt Coleman said. I watched Texas play and they look poorly coached. The results bear that out. 16 losses on average per year. That speaks for itself.

Part of being a great coach is getting your players to buy into you and your system.

I have no idea what you mean by “same things you see with Florida State and Leonard Hamilton.” FSU doesn’t call plays in from the bench. And there is no question about doing what coach asks or buying in. If you don’t buy in, you don’t play. Period.

When Hamilton had less talent, his system was able to cobble together 18-20 wins. Now that we have been able to bring in better recruits (the kind of recruits Texas has always had), we are winning 25+ games a year.

You actually think regular season wins mean anything...

Don't care if you win 28-30 games a year.
We have been though this already.

Every coach in the country has one job. Get his team ready to play postseason basketball.


The question in 2020-2021 is if we play a season for Texas is do they go into that season with that mindset

Does Shaka play around and find ways to motivate the team.


I don't care particularly if Shaka is winning 18-20 games a year just as long as he has teams by March that are capable of making a run.

Much better than winning 25-30 and just being in the bracket knowing you are going out by the second weekend

 

[GE Nole]

You actually think regular season wins mean anything...

Don't care if you win 28-30 games a year.
We have been though this already.

Every coach in the country has one job. Get his team ready to play postseason basketball.


The question in 2020-2021 is if we play a season for Texas is do they go into that season with that mindset

Does Shaka play around and find ways to motivate the team.


I don't care particularly if Shaka is winning 18-20 games a year just as long as he has teams by March that are capable of making a run.

Much better than winning 25-30 and just being in the bracket knowing you are going out by the second weekend

This is laughable. Winning 18 games gets you sent to the NIT. Winning 25 might get you a protected NCAAT bid.

But since it’s all about the postseason, how many NCAAT games has Shaka won at Texas? How many NCAAT games has he won in the last 8 years?

 

[SheriffBufordTJustice]

This is laughable. Winning 18 games gets you sent to the NIT. Winning 25 might get you a protected NCAAT bid.

But since it’s all about the postseason, how many NCAAT games has Shaka won at Texas? How many NCAAT games has he won in the last 8 years?

Regular season games aren't that important.
I don't see how anyone can say different.

Regarding Shaka and his teams at Texas.
Both years his teams were prepared for the games.
He lost one on a half court shot
Lost the other in OverTime.

Neither team was particularly great in the regular season similar to the team this year

But Shaka had them prepared.


So we go back to 2020-21 if we have a season.
Either going to be a 2-3 seed or a double digit seed.
One or the other. There really isn't any middle with Shaka.

 

[GE Nole]

Regular season games aren't that important.
I don't see how anyone can say different.

Regarding Shaka and his teams at Texas.
Both years his teams were prepared for the games.
He lost one on a half court shot
Lost the other in OverTime.

Neither team was particularly great in the regular season similar to the team this year

But Shaka had them prepared.


So we go back to 2020-21 if we have a season.
Either going to be a 2-3 seed or a double digit seed.
One or the other. There really isn't any middle with Shaka.

And all I said was it ain’t gonna be a 2-3 seed. It’s gonna be a 9 seed or worse.

 

[jwardelt]

who's bracket? as I have not seen 1 with Wisconsin as a 2 seed , a 3 seed yes but never a 2 seed.

Pretty sure it’s ESPN. Once again Iowa below us. No Garza=NIT.

 

[SheriffBufordTJustice]

And all I said was it ain’t gonna be a 2-3 seed. It’s gonna be a 9 seed or worse.

Possibly
But you also said Shaka couldn't coach and the team didn't have any talent.

Both are wrong.
I have already said I wouldn't be surprise if he has issues about who to play and for how much time.

If this happens you could see that team play like shit and then look great the next game.
This has been pretty much his entire career

But ultimately Shaka has been building for this year.
Was a shame they didn't get to play the tournament because they had the ability to win some games.

 

[ExitFlagger]

You actually think regular season wins mean anything...

Don't care if you win 28-30 games a year.
We have been though this already.

Every coach in the country has one job. Get his team ready to play postseason basketball.


The question in 2020-2021 is if we play a season for Texas is do they go into that season with that mindset

Does Shaka play around and find ways to motivate the team.


I don't care particularly if Shaka is winning 18-20 games a year just as long as he has teams by March that are capable of making a run.

Much better than winning 25-30 and just being in the bracket knowing you are going out by the second weekend

But teams that win 18-20 games don’t make deep runs. I don’t think Shaka will be the guy to change this trend.

And if a coach’s only job were to win NCAA tourney games, Jay Wright and Tony Bennett wouldn’t have lasted long enough to win their titles.

 

[GE Nole]

Possibly
But you also said Shaka couldn't coach and the team didn't have any talent.

Both are wrong.
I have already said I wouldn't be surprise if he has issues about who to play and for how much time.

If this happens you could see that team play like shit and then look great the next game.
This has been pretty much his entire career

But ultimately Shaka has been building for this year.
Was a shame they didn't get to play the tournament because they had the ability to win some games.

The team has talent. UT has talent every year. Shoot, how many Texas big men have been 1st round picks the last 5 years?

What I said was, the talent isn’t THAT good to be able to overcome Shaka’s deficiencies and be a 2 seed.

But yes, talent is good. Chris Beard or Scott Drew would have Texas as a top 4 seed next year.

 

[SheriffBufordTJustice]

But teams that win 18-20 games don’t make deep runs. I don’t think Shaka will be the guy to change this trend.

And if a coach’s only job were to win NCAA tourney games, Jay Wright and Tony Bennett wouldn’t have lasted long enough to win their titles.

I have seen numerous teams the last few years make deep runs while having average to above average regular seasons.

 

[SheriffBufordTJustice]

The team has talent. UT has talent every year. Shoot, how many Texas big men have been 1st round picks the last 5 years?

What I said was, the talent isn’t THAT good to be able to overcome Shaka’s deficiencies and be a 2 seed.

But yes, talent is good. Chris Beard or Scott Drew would have Texas as a top 4 seed next year.

Chris Beard is vastly overrated. Even Beard plays around during the regular season. That Big 12 Tournament Game would have been interesting.
Scott Drew has been good at Baylor but still hasn't reached a Final 4.

Truthfully don't care where Texas is seeded next year.
Even with an average to above average season and even if Greg Brown goes to the G League that team has the ability to make a run.


But the truth is.
If Shaka is comfortable with where that team is mentally you could see them have a big regular season.

 

[SheriffBufordTJustice]

Difference between me and you...

When a team makes a Final 4 run

You base that on luck I base that on good coaching

There was nothing lucky about Smart at VCU

That was great coaching. Teams don't just get hot.
It is all about motivation and mentally preparing them.

 

[GE Nole]

Difference between me and you...

When a team makes a Final 4 run

You base that on luck I base that on good coaching

There was nothing lucky about Smart at VCU

That was great coaching. Teams don't just get hot.
It is all about motivation and mentally preparing them.

I don’t view Final Four runs lucky in and of themselves. But Shaka has literally done nothing of note aside from that one year. We are talking about a guy who has ZERO NCAAT wins in nearly a decade.

But hey, I hope y’all keep him forever. I’m happy you are content with him. Just like Mike White down at UF. I hope the Gators keep him for 15 more years.

Maybe Texas can make another deep NIT run next year!

 

[SheriffBufordTJustice]

I don’t view Final Four runs lucky in and of themselves. But Shaka has literally done nothing of note aside from that one year. We are talking about a guy who has ZERO NCAAT wins in nearly a decade.

But hey, I hope y’all keep him forever. I’m happy you are content with him. Just like Mike White down at UF. I hope the Gators keep him for 15 more years.

Maybe Texas can make another deep NIT run next year!

On him to evolve as a coach.

The guy is very intelligent and has a basketball IQ that is unbelievable.
Anyone in the game that has been around him is impressed.

The comment of the AD was that Texas is Goliath and not David.
It was directed towards Shaka mainly.

But like I said the guy is heavily regarded by a lot of people in the game.
It is the direction he goes. Regarding next year I am not really worried even without Greg Brown.
It is the following year.

 

[ExitFlagger]

I don’t view Final Four runs lucky in and of themselves. But Shaka has literally done nothing of note aside from that one year. We are talking about a guy who has ZERO NCAAT wins in nearly a decade.

But hey, I hope y’all keep him forever. I’m happy you are content with him. Just like Mike White down at UF. I hope the Gators keep him for 15 more years.

Maybe Texas can make another deep NIT run next year!

Yeah...a quality coach would have won a few tourney games in that span.

I’m not a Shaka historian, but it seems that he could only succeed with “havoc,” which he abandoned to attract top recruits.

 

[GE Nole]

Yeah...a quality coach would have won a few tourney games in that span.

I’m not a Shaka historian, but it seems that he could only succeed with “havoc,” which he abandoned to attract top recruits.

He never even won the CAA or whatever conference regular season. His one run came when his team got into a first four game and then they shot above their season average from 3 for a few games.

 

[GE Nole]

On him to evolve as a coach.

The guy is very intelligent and has a basketball IQ that is unbelievable.
Anyone in the game that has been around him is impressed.

The comment of the AD was that Texas is Goliath and not David.
It was directed towards Shaka mainly.

But like I said the guy is heavily regarded by a lot of people in the game.
It is the direction he goes. Regarding next year I am not really worried even without Greg Brown.
It is the following year.

Mike White is another guy who has a super high hoops IQ. I’ve spoken with him on multiple occasions. Really fun to discuss hoops with.

But something isn’t working.

 

[Original_Irish]

You actually think regular season wins mean anything...

Don't care if you win 28-30 games a year.
We have been though this already.

Every coach in the country has one job. Get his team ready to play postseason basketball.


The question in 2020-2021 is if we play a season for Texas is do they go into that season with that mindset

Does Shaka play around and find ways to motivate the team.


I don't care particularly if Shaka is winning 18-20 games a year just as long as he has teams by March that are capable of making a run.

Much better than winning 25-30 and just being in the bracket knowing you are going out by the second weekend

This is laughable. Can’t even have a debate when you are this delusional.

 

[SheriffBufordTJustice]

Yeah...a quality coach would have won a few tourney games in that span.

I’m not a Shaka historian, but it seems that he could only succeed with “havoc,” which he abandoned to attract top recruits.

His issue is that he never really had that much experience maintaining a program.
He came to VCU from a small school and then went to Texas.

So in terms of maintaining a program that was winning at a high level it wasn't there.

If he fails this will be the reason why

He needs to bring in an assistant who has been around right now.

 

[SheriffBufordTJustice]

This is laughable. Can’t even have a debate when you are this delusional.

Games in January and February don't mean anything.
If this upsets you that is your own problem.

People overvalue regular season basketball.
I have seen numerous teams lose to an opponent 2 times in the regular season but beat them in March.

Goes to show how important those regular season games are.


It is because of this

Teams have different mentalities in different games.
Just matters when you play them.

But in the NCAA Tournament all teams have the same mentality
It is the great equalizer.

 

[SheriffBufordTJustice]

Mike White is another guy who has a super high hoops IQ. I’ve spoken with him on multiple occasions. Really fun to discuss hoops with.

But something isn’t working.

Those two years he had Florida going
Florida was a totally different team in March.

The second round matchup against Texas Tech was one of the better basketball games I saw in that tournament.

He did go to an Elite 8.
Has went as far as Florida State recently

 

[MGC_07]

Games in January and February don't mean anything.
If this upsets you that is your own problem.

People overvalue regular season basketball.
I have seen numerous teams lose to an opponent 2 times in the regular season but beat them in March.

Goes to show how important those regular season games are.


It is because of this

Teams have different mentalities in different games.
Just matters when you play them.

But in the NCAA Tournament all teams have the same mentality
It is the great equalizer.

Winning your conference is cool. I guess you couldn’t relate though, Kansas has made the Big 12 their bitch this century