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The SEC is shaping up to be a tough Conference

Depends how many of those games they win. The opportunities will be there.
Even if they lose some, the SEC is so strong, it won't hurt their NET ratings as bad as it does when the other teams lose to weaker teams.

That win last night was telling and it won't be the last time they win one they weren't supposed to.
 
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Sure, nobody is saying it doesn't. But losing by 20 against a middle of the road Ohio State team also matters.
Yes, but that was on a heutral, had OSU smacked UK in Rupp, it would be a big fat red mark on UK's resume, but that's not the case.
 
Yes, but that was on a heutral, had OSU smacked UK in Rupp, it would be a big fat red mark on UK's resume, but that's not the case.

Illinois is also a much better team that Ohio State. I don't really care where the teams would be seeded right now. But Oregon certainly has an argument that there resume is better than Kentucky's ATM. 3 More Quad 1 wins and a better record (with a harder schedule).
 
They have good ratings. Strong O and D, sitting at 25th in KP, but their best wins are aTm and Bama, but they got beat by 32 at home by Illinois, that one stings.

But I still don't see 12 better teams than UK. Can't say duke and Florida are better, UK already beat them both and UK has chances against Alabama (twice), UT (twice) and Auburn (home). Some of those are going to be wins.

I know you hate it, but UK's resume is going to be one of the best come selection Sunday.
What did I say that alludes to that? I don't recall either of those teams beating UK by 32 in Rupp.

That OSU loss is a quad 1 loss.

UK is 13th on the NET right now, if they beat aTm and Alabama this week, they will move up.
Just read what you wrote and you’ll find that answer.
 
Well it's not shocking that you would say that. Oregon beat OSU at their place and got destroyed by Illinois on their home court.

What metric suggests that Ohio State might be better?

KenPom has Illinois 13th, Ohio State 32nd
BPI has Illinois 10th, Ohio State 32nd
NET has Illinois 10th, Ohio State 31st

I'm seeing a trend
 
Hey watch it, they just got a win against Mississippi State. Kentucky is the team to beat I guess.

Kentucky has a good team and a good resume. I don't have anything against them. Louisville is also starting to hit their stride. Big road win this Saturday.
 
What metric suggests that Ohio State might be better?

KenPom has Illinois 13th, Ohio State 32nd
BPI has Illinois 10th, Ohio State 32nd
NET has Illinois 10th, Ohio State 31st

I'm seeing a trend
I didn't say they were better. Just suggesting they aren't far and away worse than Illinois, since you said, "Illinois is also a much better team that Ohio State." There is more than half a season left to play and none of these metrics are set in stone. How big do you think the difference is between teams 20 places apart in NET ranking when there are 364 D-1 programs?
 
I didn't say they were better. Just suggesting they aren't far and away worse than Illinois, since you said, "Illinois is also a much better team that Ohio State." There is more than half a season left to play and none of these metrics are set in stone. How big do you think they difference is between teams 20 places apart in NET ranking when there are 352 D-1 programs?

There may be 352 D-1 programs but how many are really competing at a high level? Once you eliminate them, it's a pretty significant difference. Obviously "much better" is subjective. If that's the hill you want to die on, go for it.
 
Illinois is also a much better team that Ohio State. I don't really care where the teams would be seeded right now. But Oregon certainly has an argument that there resume is better than Kentucky's ATM. 3 More Quad 1 wins and a better record (with a harder schedule).
Same Illinois team that just got smoked at home by unranked USC?

I like Oregon, I think they are tough, but UK is ahead of them in every metric. There really is no argument that puts O's resume ahead of UK's.

UK has 4 wins over teams ranked 12th or better in the NET, nobody else has more than 2
 
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There may be 352 D-1 programs but how many are really competing at a high level? Once you eliminate them, it's a pretty significant difference. Obviously "much better" is subjective. If that's the hill you want to die on, go for it.
You're the one that said Illnois is far superior to OSU, not me. Like you said, it's subjective. Since we're playing the metrics game, I know Illinois has losses to #55 and #78 in NET, while OSU's worst loss is to #27.
 
I’ve never seen such a chest puffing for beating Mississippi State. Lol
They were 14-1 and were actually rated ahead of UK in a lot of metrics, what did I say to make you believe I was making MSU anything more than what they are?
 
You're the one that said Illnois is far superior to OSU, not me. Like you said, it's subjective. Since we're playing the metrics game, I know Illinois has losses to #55 and #78 in NET, while OSU's worst loss is to #27.

They are much better. All the metrics suggest that. You haven't shown me one that suggests it's close. It's not.
 
They are much better. All the metrics suggest that. You haven't shown me one that suggests it's close. It's not.
Here's the thing about metrics, they ultimately don't mean shit (and as I said are also constantly changing and we're only a third of the way through the season). The beauty of it all is that they have to play the games to determine who is better, they aren't decided on paper (or on some nerd's computer in his mom's basement).
 
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Same Illinois team that just got smoked at hone by unranked USC?

I like Oregon, I think they are tough, but UK is ahead of them in every metric. There really is no argument that pits O's resume ahead of UK's.

UK has 4 wins over teams ranked 12th or better in the NET, nobody else has more than 2

ESPN's BPI actually has a resume tool (SOR). They have Oregon 7th and Kentucky 10th. Like I said, you can definitely make the argument that Oregon has a better resume. I think you can also make a case for Kentucky. It's about quality of the quality wins vs. quantity of the quality wins.
 
Just read what you wrote and you’ll find that answer.
What, the fact the NET has UK at 13 and I said there aren't 12 better teams?

Well, it's pretty simple, Gonzaga, duke and Florida are currently rated ahead of UK, UK has heaten all 3.

Also, Michigan is rated ahead of UK, sorry, they are not better.

13-4 = 9
 
Here's the thing about metrics, they ultimately don't mean shit (and as I said are also constantly changing and were only a third of the way through the season. The beauty of it all is that they have to play the games, they aren't played on paper.

Sure thing. We'll revisit in March and see if Ohio State has proven themselves to be as good as Illinois. Can we agree, that so far, they have not?
 
ESPN's BPI actually has a resume tool (SOR). They have Oregon 7th and Kentucky 10th. Like I said, you can definitely make the argument that Oregon has a better resume. I think you can also make a case for Kentucky. It's about quality of the quality wins vs. quantity of the quality wins.
Does the committee use those metrics?
 
They were 14-1 and were actually rated ahead of UK in a lot of metrics, what did I say to make you believe I was making MSU anything more than what they are?
I was arguing with the other Kentucky fan, you jumped in and turned out to be collateral damage. 😀
 
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Hey watch it, they just got a win against Mississippi State. Kentucky is the team to beat I guess.
Let us know what the guidelines are on a good win, if a true road win over #16 in the NET is not a good win, than there are a bunch of teams than dont have a good win, including Louisville.
 
State is a very good squad this year. Are we now pretending that besting the #14 team on the road isn't a good win? JFC
 
Do your own research dude, I stand by what I said. The SEC has never been the top conference, or even close to it until now. I don’t have an issue with the scenario you brought up, but Duke did beat auburn and Clemson beat y’all. No matter how many SEC teams are seeded 1 or 2, Tennessee and Auburn are the only championship threats imo.
Did we beat UofLol? And Duke?
 
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