Should I or should I not start a Kansas is a wanna be Blue Blood thread.......or
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Never said KU was an underachiever---2,000+ wins and 15 FF's says otherwise, BUT............The three titles, and the multiple 2nd round, #1 seed exits kinda of puts a stain on all those wins/FF's. Underachievers, overall? No. Underachievers as far as in choking with some really, really good teams/lack of titles? Well..........................
Not sure how you compare A team, to A conference. If we did that, then I could simply roll with Florida from the SEC, Nova from Big East, UConn from AAC, and this discussion is over.
Not really sure why you’re focusing on a period from decades ago when KU recently won 14 damn league titles in a row. 🤣
Yeah, but before they were in the Big 10 and they haven’t done much since joining.
Very fair - however, since they joined the Big Ten , Kansas hasn’t won it all either- so let’s call it even 😎
Man, can’t wait for MD coaching search updates !
If you win 14 conference titles in a row---that says more about your conference---than it does you.
I have no idea which KU team is going to come out from one game to the next. Kentucky showed up and showed out, and ran us off of our home floor. Simple as that. We got our ass kicked. Hopefully we show up to play tomorrow night at Iowa State.
Yes…saying they don’t have enough titles and making snarky comparisons to Uconn and Villanova is calling them underachievers.
The point is you need to keep your criteria consistent. If KU hasn’t won enough titles in that span, then what’s that say about your entire league?
What a glorious weekend for those of us who are Kentucky/Bengals fans.
Anyone catch any good games v those two this weekend?
Anyone catch any good games v those two this weekend?
Not really. Any analyst would agree that the Big 12’s been among the best leagues in that timeframe. And arguably the best in a number of years. Every year they have a top 10ish team to contend with. Sometimes multiple. Usually several top 25 caliber teams. And keep in mind that they were co-champs four times. And often won by a game or two or needed a late-season comeback.
No other program would have matched that streak during that specific timeframe. If you think one could have, name it. They all had down years. Crappy tourney seeds, NIT, losing records.
You 100% believe KU could have won the B10, SEC, ACC or BE, 14 years in a row? The B12 has had some good teams, especially of late....But they seemingly until lately never have had multiple Top 5, or 10 teams, capable of getting to FF's, winning titles. Baylor is just now becoming who they are....So is TT....WVU isn't close to what they were----Oklahoma is on again, off again. Texas was always solid under Barnes----but asides from the Ford team, nothing ever elite....THey were meh, blah under Shaka. OSU, TCU and KSU are shit on the norm....Mizzou was a fish out of water lately...Iowa State is hit and miss----mostly miss.
KU basically had the luxury of facing maybe one or two really good teams, here and there---But until lately, with the rise of Baylor and TTU, KU has been head anf shoulders above everyone....
The conference is crazy overrated, and it shows almost every year in March. TBH, I'd put money on a Duke, KU, UNC, hell even Gonzaga, prison raping the B12 as KU has, before I;d bet KU winning the B10, ACC, SEC, or BE 14 straight years....
I don’t know where you got the idea I was saying that KU would have won 14 straight in other top leagues.
The point is, if you swapped another program with KU from 2005-2018, which program could have won it every single time? UNC, which had a 17-loss NIT team in 2010? Kentucky, which had multiple NIT teams and low NCAA seeds? Duke is the closest, but they had a few downish years too.
If no one else could realistically have duplicated it, it’s kind of silly to downplay the achievement.
I went through season by season a few years ago and did the math. The Big 12 averaged over 1 top 10 opponent per year during the streak. So some years there were multiple. And usually several top 25 teams.
Let me get this straight….you’re saying that it’s not impressive to finish above 1-2 top 10 teams and several top 25 teams 14 times in a row?
Also, get out of here with the tourney business. They’ve produced a final four team in four of the last five tourneys and had two final four favorites in the Covid year. Tons of elite 8 teams over the years.
Never said ot wasn't impressive---it is---but its also a testament of your conference. Its why I brought up winning the B10, SEC, SCC, etc, etc...
Kansas has hs the extreme luxury of having Bill Self for the entirety...Schools like UK and UNC had coaching changes, that were bad, which resulted in some bad years. That plays a role.
Sure the B12 has had several Top 25 teams...1-2 Top teams, but until of late, it was rare they dealt with that, year in, and year out...And outside of Baylor, no one has been elite, or at KU's level.
Get out of here with the tourney business? Why? Its a fact, really.
2021---7 bids. 6 were gone by 2nd round. Only Baylor survived. B12 did post an 11-6 record---but 6 of those wins were via Baylor.
2019---7 Bids. Everyone gone again by Rd 2, except for TTU.
2018-- 7 Bids---4 SW 16, 3 Elite 8
2017-- 6 bids--- 3 SW 16--1 Elite 8
2016--7 bids--- 3 SW 16--I FF
2015--- 7 Bids---2 SW 16
2014-- 7 bids---2 SW 16
2013-- 5 Bids---1 SW 16
2012---6 bids----2 ELite 8
Six times B12 has put 7 teams in the NCAAT-- Twice, 6 were gone by Rd 2, and twice 5 were done by the second round...KSU make a fluke run in 2018---beating an 8 seed, 16 and a 5. OU in 2016 lost by 500....
Like I said, the B12 has gotten better....which is explains the Jayhawks not winning two of past three conference titles----and I doubt they do so this year. Baylor has gotten better---like Elite...TTU has as well. But other than that, everyone else is good year, bad year, ok year---great year....meh year...
2018 was good year----But it did include that fluke by KSU..
Still sore about that KSU game. Talk about overlooking a tournament game. Ouch.
Yeah, the Big 12 has had some shitty tourney showings here and there. So has the Big 10. They were built up to be a super conference last year and fell right on their faces. Did that make you revise your opinion and view them as vastly overrated? I remember a year when the Big East got about 10 teams in and it was hyped to be the best conference ever, and I think all but one were gone by the 2nd round. There are plenty more examples.
I notice that you’re quick to call the K-State run a fluke but you don’t acknowledge any of the fluke losses. Or major injuries. In 2014, both KU and Iowa St were capable of deep runs at full strength but lost their best players before the tourney. KU only had Udoka in the tourney once in his four years. Etc.
I think every Big 12 program but TCU has been to the elite 8 fairly recently. Also, half the league has been to the final four in the last decade or so. And every program but TCU has been to the final four at some point. It’s kind of silly to act like the league is full of bums. Are there any truly great programs historically other than KU? No, but I never said there were. The point was that at least one of them stepped up every year during the streak to pose a major challenge to KU. You had the Buddy Hield and Blake Griffin OU teams, some really good Baylor teams (even before this run), a few really good WV teams, some very good Iowa St teams, Texas A&M had a really good team one year, Missouri had 1 or two really good teams, Texas had some very good teams, Tech has had some very good teams, etc. Every year it’s somebody.
And to consistently finish higher than all these teams (or at least tie) meant that KU had to consistently be a top 10ish team themselves for 14 years. Often top 5ish. Pretty silly to downplay that.
Btw, UNC had Roy for that entire duration and Duke obviously had K. Just two of the greatest ever.
KU failing to win the league two of the last three years has more to do with KU than the league getting stronger. Last year and 2019 were the two weakest KU rosters in a long time. Typical KU teams would have been right there. Baylor would have been tough to top last year, but they won the championship in dominating fashion. That’s asking a lot. Yet they did top the same group of Baylor players the year before.
The 2019 team was #1 in the country and undefeated until they lost Azubuike and Vick. Otherwise, they probably would have finished in first again. Last year was just a mediocre roster. Recruiting struggles finally caught up.
It’s a bit ridiculous to count Self out this year, especially when they’re currently in first. How many times does he have to win the damn thing to get some benefit of the doubt? 🤣
The 2019 team was #1 in the country and undefeated until they lost Azubuike and Vick. Otherwise, they probably would have finished in first again. Last year was just a mediocre roster. Recruiting struggles finally caught up.
It’s a bit ridiculous to count Self out this year, especially when they’re currently in first. How many times does he have to win the damn thing to get some benefit of the doubt? 🤣
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THIS is the passion that has been sorely missing!
Nice to see it back a little bit.
Nice to see it back a little bit.
Does Iowa have anything? Like have you had success at a high level in any sport other than wrestling?
The hilarious thing is that Iowa claims 5 mythical football titles. 🤣 🤣 😂
We’ve had an extraordinary amount of bad luck. Either in the form of untimely injuries or people hitting ridiculous circus shots. I mean, Trey Burke/Michigan is a perfect example. We were the obvious better team. And out of nowhere the guy just starts hitting ridiculous shots from 10 feet behind the line. Or Oregon in the elite eight…. They hit 15 out of 16 shots at one point. Guarded threes. The one dude literally banked one in and a few minutes later hits a three that hit the back of the rim, popped 20 feet in the air then falls through the hoop. How often does that happen? Well, if you’re KU it happens a lot, against you. The insane # of buzzer beating threes and shit that have gone in against us is just crazy. The # of teams that will hit 20/20 FTs against us is bs. Then you watch these same teams the next game after upsetting us, and they’re missing wide open threes, clanking free throws, etc. It truly is infuriating.
Then in 2020 we have a team that is so good and so dominant that I think we finally have a team that is upset proof because they’re playing so well that they can overcome bad luck….and a pandemic hits. That team was easily our best since 2008. They were only a small step below that team from an ability standpoint, but we’re going to go against a much weaker field. The closest team to our level in 2020 was Baylor and we had just beat them handily on the road. We were healthy for once and entered the post season clicking on all cylinders and had not lost a game since adjusting our lineup ….and……pandemic..
I personally think that it’s karma for 1988. Despite having so many good teams that have choked, KU still has one of the most unlikely champions in NCAA history with that team. Just goes to show you how weird and unpredictable basketball is. One of the worst KU teams in the last 35 years won a title. We used up our luck with that year, so we’ve had mostly bad luck since, other than the Mario shot in ‘08.
I know… But we know Hawkit is here to troll, rather than have a rational discussion. I should not have bit.
I still view Kansas as a blue blood more than many teams with better stats.
I love pounding sand up their butts, but Kansas is a very good program. Plus they help write basketball history. Kansas produced the best coach of all time; Rupp.
I love Kansas: while I hate on them!
@hawkit3113 is not a troll.
Hawkit is my friend because of this website. Our phone conversations are ripe with talking over each other, but he is a kind fellow who roots for his team.
He loves Iowa, his University. He loves his state. He loves college sports.
Because of this I love Hawkit.
Hawkit loves to argue, but he is not a troll.
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Hawkit is fun to
You sure put @hawkit3113 in his place!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't think that's possible, and I love him for it. Still waiting on him to sail a boat down the Mississippi.
Wow! Same as KU basketball. Not too shabby.
And a bunch of b-ball tourney appearance banners to boot!
Is UK oing to start claiming Helm's b/c UK could add a few. Just b/c UK doesn't hang banners doesn't mean UK doesn't have them.
Nah. I think we're good with just 8.
Hey, if we're claiming mythical football titles, why not?
Just wait until I get half a belly full of scotch tonight and call you all drunk, lol.
You better be ready to listen. )
They are like HELMS titles, right? Lol
Actually we only have 1 real NC in football
Exactly like Helms. And according to Google, you claim four of them. 🤣
LOL @ your "real" title. You had a loss and a tie and won a bowl game over the #16 team. National (Co-)Champs!!!!
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