Romeo Langford's ridiculously poor 3 pt shooting percentage is explained.

[jace4655555]

Throughout the season he wore braces of different sizes throughout, but nothing was ever mentioned about it by the school. Of course, this is pretty common practice for a school to do during the season. Unfortunately, it also leads to some crazy speculation when a 5* lottery pick who shot I believe 37% in high school from 3 pt at one point was at 22% 3 pt%.

This week we finally figured out what the story actually was. He had surgery on Thursday to repair a torn ligament in his shooting wrist. I'm actually really impressed that he continued to play in this day and age. It was probably a smarter financial decision to have the surgery in November when the injury happened. He would have still been a lottery pick and no one would have questioned him shutting it down for a torn ligament.

It would have prevented him from taking the risk at another injury to his back (which happened), or something more typical like a knee, or ankle. He also wouldn't have had to shoulder the burden of being the face of a team who lost 12 out of 13 games. Unfortunately, during that streak, the fans who desperately begged him to pick iu 8 months earlier were criticizing everything he did and blaming the losses on him.

Personally, I think this says a ridiculous amount about the type of player he is and his competitive nature. That too had been questioned because he isn't a person who shows his emotions on the court. I'm an iu fan, but I don't have a problem saying that if I was him...I would have been flipping everyone off as he walked out of Assembly Hall on his way to the bank.

Do you all think that NBA exec's will give his 3 pt % a pass now considering a torn ligament in your shooting wrist has to completely screw up your shot. Also, the fact that he played through it...will that help him with those same NBA exec's?

 

[BeerPoisoning]

This year’s draft is basically Zion Williamson and then...... some potential. There’s not really a clear 2nd, 3rd, 8th, 10th pick. Romeo won’t fall out of the lottery (because this draft is weak) but it’s hard saying where he goes. Probably 8th-13th range. His garbage shooting didn’t help his campaign but scouts don’t really place a huge emphasis on shooting (Cam Reddish for example)

It’s just Romeo in general that’s the problem. His effort is hit/miss and he has a luke-warm motor. He has no idea how to go left, lazy defensively. Coming into college everyone kind of thought he was a superb athlete and he face-planted out of the top 5 because he’s just an average athlete with average speed. Dime a dozen!

 

[kl40504]

Throughout the season he wore braces of different sizes throughout, but nothing was ever mentioned about it by the school. Of course, this is pretty common practice for a school to do during the season. Unfortunately, it also leads to some crazy speculation when a 5* lottery pick who shot I believe 37% in high school from 3 pt at one point was at 22% 3 pt%.

This week we finally figured out what the story actually was. He had surgery on Thursday to repair a torn ligament in his shooting wrist. I'm actually really impressed that he continued to play in this day and age. It was probably a smarter financial decision to have the surgery in November when the injury happened. He would have still been a lottery pick and no one would have questioned him shutting it down for a torn ligament.

It would have prevented him from taking the risk at another injury to his back (which happened), or something more typical like a knee, or ankle. He also wouldn't have had to shoulder the burden of being the face of a team who lost 12 out of 13 games. Unfortunately, during that streak, the fans who desperately begged him to pick iu 8 months earlier were criticizing everything he did and blaming the losses on him.

Personally, I think this says a ridiculous amount about the type of player he is and his competitive nature. That too had been questioned because he isn't a person who shows his emotions on the court. I'm an iu fan, but I don't have a problem saying that if I was him...I would have been flipping everyone off as he walked out of Assembly Hall on his way to the bank.

Do you all think that NBA exec's will give his 3 pt % a pass now considering a torn ligament in your shooting wrist has to completely screw up your shot. Also, the fact that he played through it...will that help him with those same NBA exec's?

His reason for the poor 3 point shooting percentage was that he played for Indiana.

 

[mebeblue2]

the reason is simple
he was no longer in H.S. most nights playing against bad competition

 

[Da_Bull]

This year’s draft is basically Zion Williamson and then...... some potential. There’s not really a clear 2nd, 3rd, 8th, 10th pick. Romeo won’t fall out of the lottery (because this draft is weak) but it’s hard saying where he goes. Probably 8th-13th range. His garbage shooting didn’t help his campaign but scouts don’t really place a huge emphasis on shooting (Cam Reddish for example)

It’s just Romeo in general that’s the problem. His effort is hit/miss and he has a luke-warm motor. He has no idea how to go left, lazy defensively. Coming into college everyone kind of thought he was a superb athlete and he face-planted out of the top 5 because he’s just an average athlete with average speed. Dime a dozen!

I'm not sure about average athlete and average speed, maybe in the NBA, but he routinely got around guys after one step, but to your point 95% of the time to his right.

 

[IUfanBorden]

Throughout the season he wore braces of different sizes throughout, but nothing was ever mentioned about it by the school. Of course, this is pretty common practice for a school to do during the season. Unfortunately, it also leads to some crazy speculation when a 5* lottery pick who shot I believe 37% in high school from 3 pt at one point was at 22% 3 pt%.

This week we finally figured out what the story actually was. He had surgery on Thursday to repair a torn ligament in his shooting wrist. I'm actually really impressed that he continued to play in this day and age. It was probably a smarter financial decision to have the surgery in November when the injury happened. He would have still been a lottery pick and no one would have questioned him shutting it down for a torn ligament.

It would have prevented him from taking the risk at another injury to his back (which happened), or something more typical like a knee, or ankle. He also wouldn't have had to shoulder the burden of being the face of a team who lost 12 out of 13 games. Unfortunately, during that streak, the fans who desperately begged him to pick iu 8 months earlier were criticizing everything he did and blaming the losses on him.

Personally, I think this says a ridiculous amount about the type of player he is and his competitive nature. That too had been questioned because he isn't a person who shows his emotions on the court. I'm an iu fan, but I don't have a problem saying that if I was him...I would have been flipping everyone off as he walked out of Assembly Hall on his way to the bank.

Do you all think that NBA exec's will give his 3 pt % a pass now considering a torn ligament in your shooting wrist has to completely screw up your shot. Also, the fact that he played through it...will that help him with those same NBA exec's?

I said this all along. Was told surgery would occur after the season. Posted this on the homeboard-----Got called out for it.

Yeah......

 

[IUfanBorden]

the reason is simple
he was no longer in H.S. most nights playing against bad competition

Yeah, or having a torn ligament in his thumb? I mean, he didn't have an issue getting to the rim in college. Or averaging 18ppg in college. But his shooting was due to no longer playing HS basketball?

C'mon, dude.

 

[mebeblue2]

Yeah, or having a torn ligament in his thumb? I mean, he didn't have an issue getting to the rim in college. Or averaging 18ppg in college. But his shooting was due to no longer playing HS basketball?

C'mon, dude.

so you think playing H.S. ball is no different then playing elite athletes in collegeRollLaugh
surely you are not that dumb

 

[bMORE607]

Need @BabaySharkk analysis

 

[IUfanBorden]

so you think playing H.S. ball is no different then playing elite athletes in collegeRollLaugh
surely you are not that dumb

If that is what you got from my post, then maybe you are that dumb? That's not even close to what I was saying/implying. Point is dude---He averaged 17 or so a game, in the Big 10. He did so while shooting awful from three. That's because he was very elite at getting in the lane, scoring at the rim, drawing fouls, etc....If he was able to do that, at this level, vs better athletes, then why wouldn't he be able to shoot a 3 at the same level? Answer is---He could. he could get his shot anytime he wanted. Problem wasn't JUST better athletes. MOF, that was a very minimal problem. The big problem was trying to shoot with a torn ligament in his thumb. Thought that was pretty easy to figure out what was being said,..

Guess not.

 

[Hank_]

Damn, it’ll be interesting to hear if any teams flag him - medically.

A bad back and torn ligament in the shooting wrist is not a great combination at 19. Hopefully he makes a full recovery.

 

[IUfanBorden]

Damn, it’ll be interesting to hear if any teams flag him - medically.

A bad back and torn ligament in the shooting wrist is not a great combination at 19. Hopefully he makes a full recovery.

I'd say scouts have been aware of the ligament issue. Back issues can be scary. Had some spasm issues while in HS.

 

[kl40504]

If that is what you got from my post, then maybe you are that dumb? That's not even close to what I was saying/implying. Point is dude---He averaged 17 or so a game, in the Big 10. He did so while shooting awful from three. That's because he was very elite at getting in the lane, scoring at the rim, drawing fouls, etc....If he was able to do that, at this level, vs better athletes, then why wouldn't he be able to shoot a 3 at the same level? Answer is---He could. he could get his shot anytime he wanted. Problem wasn't JUST better athletes. MOF, that was a very minimal problem. The big problem was trying to shoot with a torn ligament in his thumb. Thought that was pretty easy to figure out what was being said,..

Guess not.

The big problem was playing for Archie and IU.

 

[Da_Bull]

The big problem was playing for Archie and IU.

You can do better than that. He was 3rd in ppg for freshman in high major programs.

 

[kl40504]

You can do better than that. He was 3rd in ppg for freshman in high major programs.

You can do better than that. He was 3rd in ppg for freshman in high major programs.

Don't you think he would have had a better year by playing somewhere with better talent around him?

 

[IUfanBorden]

The big problem was playing for Archie and IU.

Maybe a 5/10...

 

[kl40504]

Maybe a 5/10...

Borden, don't you think he would have had a better overall year by playing with a team with more talent around him?

 

[Da_Bull]

Don't you think he would have had a better year by playing somewhere with better talent around him?

So fewer touches? No.

 

[kl40504]

So fewer touches? No.

Better touches, more open looks transmits into better play.

 

[IUfanBorden]

Borden, don't you think he would have had a better overall year by playing with a team with more talent around him?

Possibly. I think the thumb hampered him more than anything. I mean, any player could be more successful with better talent. I mean, do you think Zion is less successful at Kentucky? No Barret....No Reddish....No Jones.....to "protect him".

Talent wasn't THE issue. Not having any shooters was THE issue. Put a dude like Ryan Cline on IU, and it opens the floor up a ton for Romeo.

A healthy Langford probably averages close to 20ppg. He averaged 17 with a bum hand.

 

[Da_Bull]

Better touches, more open looks transmits into better play.

Not with his hand/wrist. He got his points on drives and fts. I doubt he beats 16pts/game on a team with more mouths to feed. But agree to disagree.

 

[Blue_White_KY]

I’m not surprised his shooting percent went down. He was probably taking more contested shots. Probably taking more shots simply because he felt he needed to to help the team win. Probably chunked some up during the last few minutes of games and over the course of a whole season, an extra 2-4 missed shots a game can really effect your pct. Not to mention his torn ligament.

I give him some credit for playing through that. I had no idea. I would have assumed he would have shut it down and had surgery. I obviously misjudged him in that aspect and I’m fine with that. Glad to see he’s a young man with a good level of character to push through the whole season.

 

[IUfanBorden]

Better touches, more open looks transmits into better play.

Agree. BUT, shiut----a dude like Ryan CLine could have created that. Problem wasn't the talent around him. Problem was, there was no one who could stretch the floor(shooters). And once it became evident Romeo's shot was off, teams just packed it in on IU. Would have had the same issue at Duke. No shooters to open up driving lanes.

At the end of the day, it simply comes down to him playing with a bum hand.

 

[Da_Bull]

I’m not surprised his shooting percent went down. He was probably taking more contested shots. Probably taking more shots simply because he felt he needed to to help the team win. Probably chunked some up during the last few minutes of games and over the course of a whole season, an extra 2-4 missed shots a game can really effect your pct. Not to mention his torn ligament.

I give him some credit for playing through that. I had no idea. I would have assumed he would have shut it down and had surgery. I obviously misjudged him in that aspect and I’m fine with that. Glad to see he’s a young man with a good level of character to push through the whole season.

I think thats fairly accurate. He was never known as a true shooter in high school, some just had absurd expectations from him.

 

[kl40504]

Not with his hand/wrist. He got his points on drives and fts. I doubt he beats 16pts/game on a team with more mouths to feed. But agree to disagree.

It is not about how many points but quality play. It has been proven that the NBA doesn't look that much at how many points you score but your potential and talent level.

 

[IUfanBorden]

I’m not surprised his shooting percent went down. He was probably taking more contested shots. Probably taking more shots simply because he felt he needed to to help the team win. Probably chunked some up during the last few minutes of games and over the course of a whole season, an extra 2-4 missed shots a game can really effect your pct. Not to mention his torn ligament.

I give him some credit for playing through that. I had no idea. I would have assumed he would have shut it down and had surgery. I obviously misjudged him in that aspect and I’m fine with that. Glad to see he’s a young man with a good level of character to push through the whole season.

Its not that his percentage went down----it plummeted. TBH, he didn't really take a ton of bad shots. Hell, he only took about 12/13 shots a game. Some can be atrributed to better defense's---I guess. But man---he missed a ton of open looks. Some badly. Just hope the surgery gets him going. Its a shame CBB, and IU fans, couldn't see this kid at 100%. Pure beauty when his shot was falling.

Game he had as a soph vs SOuthport, in the Semi-State, was probably the best performance I have seen.

 

[Da_Bull]

It is not about how many points but quality play. It has been proven that the NBA doesn't look that much at how many points you score but your potential and talent level.

Thats why he goes top 10. He would have been top 10 out of high school.

 

[IUfanBorden]

It is not about how many points but quality play. It has been proven that the NBA doesn't look that much at how many points you score but your potential and talent level.

And that hasn't changed. Kid is still seen as a lottery pick. Going to IU, as you are trying very hard to insinuate, didn't hurt his draft status. What he showed at IU, would have been exactly what he wqould have showed at a DUke, UNC, etc, etc...If anything, being able to drop 16 a game on a team not full of 5*'s, with a broken shot, in the Big 10, helped.

 

[Blue_White_KY]

Its not that his percentage went down----it plummeted. TBH, he didn't really take a ton of bad shots. Hell, he only took about 12/13 shots a game. Some can be atrributed to better defense's---I guess. But man---he missed a ton of open looks. Some badly. Just hope the surgery gets him going. Its a shame CBB, and IU fans, couldn't see this kid at 100%. Pure beauty when his shot was falling.

Game he had as a soph vs SOuthport, in the Semi-State, was probably the best performance I have seen.

I’ll defer to your assessment as I didn’t watch him much at all. I wanted him to come to UK, might have worked out better for him if he had since we had better shooters who could have kept the defenses more honest and not allow them to pack it in against him so much. He always seemed like a good kid. Never heard anything negative about him which is probably why Cal recruited him.

 

[IUfanBorden]

Thats why he goes top 10. He would have been top 10 out of high school.

Exactly. He is trying to hard to show that going to IU hurt Langford's draft status. It did not.

 

[kl40504]

And that hasn't changed. Kid is still seen as a lottery pick. Going to IU, as you are trying very hard to insinuate, didn't hurt his draft status. What he showed at IU, would have been exactly what he wqould have showed at a DUke, UNC, etc, etc...If anything, being able to drop 16 a game on a team not full of 5*'s, with a broken shot, in the Big 10, helped.

You may be correct. I know he is a very talented player but I thought teams were able to guard and double him better because he did not have as much talent around him. What I liked about him was that he did not try to be a ball hog and played within himself.

 

[mebeblue2]

If that is what you got from my post, then maybe you are that dumb? That's not even close to what I was saying/implying. Point is dude---He averaged 17 or so a game, in the Big 10. He did so while shooting awful from three. That's because he was very elite at getting in the lane, scoring at the rim, drawing fouls, etc....If he was able to do that, at this level, vs better athletes, then why wouldn't he be able to shoot a 3 at the same level? Answer is---He could. he could get his shot anytime he wanted. Problem wasn't JUST better athletes. MOF, that was a very minimal problem. The big problem was trying to shoot with a torn ligament in his thumb. Thought that was pretty easy to figure out what was being said,..

Guess not.

man i once thought you being a ref and all, you would know and understand basic basketball skills
sadly i was wrong

Briscoe could get to the basket anytime he wanted, that did not make him a good three point shooter
i do not think you are aware of this, but getting to the basket and shooting 3's are two totally different skill sets

there is a huge difference shooting over a 5'10" guy with a 24" vertical then there is shooting against a guy 6'5" with a 36" vertical

do you honestly think he will shoot anywhere near 37% in the pro's
i would put my money on "NO"

 

[IUfanBorden]

I’ll defer to your assessment as I didn’t watch him much at all. I wanted him to come to UK, might have worked out better for him if he had since we had better shooters who could have kept the defenses more honest and not allow them to pack it in against him so much. He always seemed like a good kid. Never heard anything negative about him which is probably why Cal recruited him.

Any place with shooters would have helped. But really, not that much. He still averaged 16ppg. Still showed elite ability to score in the lane, and at the rim. I don't see much changing regardless of where he attended.

 

[mebeblue2]

I think thats fairly accurate. He was never known as a true shooter in high school, some just had absurd expectations from him.

try telling that to borden

 

[IUfanBorden]

man i once thought you being a ref and all, you would know and understand basic basketball skills
sadly i was wrong

Briscoe could get to the basket anytime he wanted, that did not make him a good three point shooter
i do not think you are aware of this, but getting to the basket and shooting 3's are two totally different skill sets

there is a huge difference shooting over a 5'10" guy with a 24" vertical then there is shooting against a guy 6'5" with a 36" vertical

do you honestly think he will shoot anywhere near 37% in the pro's
i would put my money on "NO"

You are questioning my basketball knowledge----After using Briscoe as an example-----In comparison to Langford?

Really?

Did you happen to see how many wide open, uncontested three's that Langord not only missed----but badly missed? It was obvious then, something was wrong.

Sure there is a difference in shooting over a 5'10" kid----instead of a 6"5" kid. But its not Langford was some 6'1" SG. He's 6'6"....6'11" wing span. I mean, pretty sure tha makes a difference too.??

If the surgery goes well, and he is 100%---Yes, i think he can shoot very well from three, in the pro's.

Sorry, brother....You don't go from being a 39% shooter or so, in HS, to a 27% shooter in college, because the defense is better. Not when you are a 6'6" elite scoring guard, with a 6'11" wingspan, and a very good vertical jump. PLus, check out his game vs Jared Jackson....Or Brooks. He dominated those dudes. Dropped 42 on a La Lumiere team that featured Jackson...Put 42 on Keion Brooks....36 vs Bazley...I mean its not like he was just picking on 5' weanies in HS.

Jesus...

 

[IUfanBorden]

try telling that to borden

Telling me what? Go look at what I said about Langford coming out of HS. I saw the kid play about 30 times. I always said he was a decent, to good shooter. Never lights out. never great. Simply good. And he was. He didn't do anything less than I thought he would do---except for his shooting. Which was mostly due to his injury.

See you are not making any sense with your post. You are insinuating that better athletes impacted his shooting. But those same better atheltes didn't impact his ability to get to the rim? I mean, what sense does that make, dude?

 

[mebeblue2]

Telling me what? Go look at what I said about Langford coming out of HS. I saw the kid play about 30 times. I always said he was a decent, to good shooter. Never lights out. never great. Simply good. And he was. He didn't do anything less than I thought he would do---except for his shooting. Which was mostly due to his injury.

See you are not making any sense with your post. You are insinuating that better athletes impacted his shooting. But those same better atheltes didn't impact his ability to get to the rim? I mean, what sense does that make, dude?

man you are dense
again i will explain to you
getting to the rim and shooting 3's are TWO ENTIRELY DIFFERENT SKILL SETS

he was 35% career 3 point shooter in H.S.
did you think that was going to go up in college

https://www.maxpreps.com/athlete/ro...S-8KA2nzwbTA/gendersport/basketball-stats.htm

 

[IUfanBorden]

I think thats fairly accurate. He was never known as a true shooter in high school, some just had absurd expectations from him.

True. Shooting was never his strong suit. It was good. Good enough that you had to respect it. For those IU fans that never saw him play, and just listened to country road myths, the expectations were absurd. He did everyting at IU I thought he would, excpet for the shooting. When I talked about him before he committed to IU, I said...

1. Elite scorer at the rim, in the lane: Check
2. Good rebounder for a guard: Check
3. Would be a better defender in college than most felt: Check
4. Low motor, not a lot emotion: Check
5. Would be a good/decent shooter: Nope.

He performed as I thought.

 

[IUfanBorden]

man you are dense
again i will explain to you
getting to the rim and shooting 3's are TWO ENTIRELY DIFFERENT SKILL SETS

he was 35% career 3 point shooter in H.S.
did you think that was going to go up in college

https://www.maxpreps.com/athlete/ro...S-8KA2nzwbTA/gendersport/basketball-stats.htm

Notr dense at all. of course shooting three's and getting to the rim,are different. BUT...you are acting as if Langford was some sharp shooting, 6'1" guard. He was not. He was a good/decent shooter-----at 6'6". He got open looks from three. MOF, he got a lot of open looks. I am sure the defense played some of a role. But not as much as you think. If he wasn't bothered by elite athletes in getting to the rim, i.e. scoring at the rim versus bigger, better athletes, then why do you think he would be bothered by bigger, better athletes when trying to get a shot off from three? He very seldom was guarded by someone bigger.....or with a longer wing span. Very seldom guarded by a better athlete. Or someone with a better vertical. He had no issue getting shots off. You are acting as if he did. ANd then dismissing the fact he had a torn ligament in his thumb you ignore.

 

[mebeblue2]

Notr dense at all. of course shooting three's and getting to the rim,are different. BUT...you are acting as if Langford was some sharp shooting, 6'1" guard. He was not. He was a good/decent shooter-----at 6'6". He got open looks from three. MOF, he got a lot of open looks. I am sure the defense played some of a role. But not as much as you think. If he wasn't bothered by elite athletes in getting to the rim, i.e. scoring at the rim versus bigger, better athletes, then why do you think he would be bothered by bigger, better athletes when trying to get a shot off from three? He very seldom was guarded by someone bigger.....or with a longer wing span. Very seldom guarded by a better athlete. Or someone with a better vertical. He had no issue getting shots off. You are acting as if he did. ANd then dismissing the fact he had a torn ligament in his thumb you ignore.

not dismissing anything
anyone with an once of basketball knowledge knew that his 35% would probably go down in college due to better athletes and better 3 point defense

those open looks in H.S. are no longer open