Surprising, especially of you sort by conference.
http://barttorvik.com/cgi-bin/ncaat.cgi?type=coach
http://barttorvik.com/cgi-bin/ncaat.cgi?type=coach
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Ranking of Coaches, Teams, etc. by NCAA Tourney Results
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I feel like something's missing but can't quite put my finger on it.
I have no idea what it takes to get ranked on this list but I agree with it 100%
Love to see Gary Williams in the top 15, but this list makes no sense to me where Bob Knight and K are listed..
Clicks on link
Immediately scrolls to the bottom
Finds what he expects
Immediately scrolls to the bottom
Finds what he expects
Hard to exceed seed when you're a 1 seed almost every year too. When you sort by winning percentage, Bennett is 30th
4 for UK and 1 for Memphis
In order to be high up on this list, you need to have had a few runs as a lower seed in the NCAAT like Izzo has done with MSU a few times and like Cal did with that 2014 UK team.
You get rewarded heavily for a low seed making a Final 4 and get penalized brutally for being a 1 seed who loses to a 16 seed or a 2 seed that loses to a 15 seed or a 3 seed who loses to a 14 seed.
Here's the defense for K's ranking that someone else wrote on another message board:
Up through 2010, we were one type of program (generally the 3-4 year guys). From 2011-2014, we were another type (3-4 year guys with a one-and-done mixed in). From 2015 onward, we've been largely driven by the one-and-dones with a couple of 3-4 year guys mixed in. So the reasons for earlier-than-hoped losses is different for those different eras.
From 2000 through 2004 (and actually spanning back to 1998), all of our tourney losses were to a team that won the title or made the title game. The 2005 and 2006 teams were overachieving veteran squads with no scoring depth that eventually ran into a team that did enough to limit Redick and Williams to pull upsets, and both of those losses were to Final Four teams. The 2007-2009 teams were younger, less athletic teams that got bounced by by athletic and physical opponents (in 2009, that opponent made the Final Four). The 2011 team dealt with the reintroduction of Irving and ran into a hot opponent. The 2012 team was beaten in the first round by an underseeded opponent who had more experience and the best individual player on the court (future NBA star CJ McCollum). The 2013 team lost in the Elite 8 to the #1 team who eventually won the title now vacated. The 2014 team was a very inexperienced and awful defensive team that was picked apart by a veteran squad. The 2016 team lost to the #1 seed who made the Final Four. The 2017 team lost essentially a true road game against a team that got hot and made the Final Four. And the 2018 team lost in the Elite 8 to the 1 seed.
Some of it was just bad luck. As you can see, 11 of our 16 losses came to teams that made the Final Four or better. The reasons for the other losses are widespread. One of the other losses came to a team with the best player on the floor (2012). Two others were because we were just a woefully inexperienced team (2007, 2014). Another was a combination of "hot hand" and us trying to regain our chemistry with the return of a ball-dominant PG (2011). The other was to a team that was just way more athletic and physical than us (2008).
Odd... I can’t find anything about him making a final 4 while coaching Memphis.
Therefore, these numbers are inaccurate.
Here, I'll help you out. I found it fairly easily.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/postseason/2008-ncaa.html
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_NCAA_Division_I_Men's_Basketball_Championship_Game
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/boxscores/2008-04-07-kansas.html
I mean, it's all over the internet.
Something ironic here. I just can’t seem to put my finger on it.
Roy was a 1 seed in at least half of those years and is number one on the list in exceeding expectations.
Just FYI.
You can't really expect to seriously compare K to Roy though. That is a bit unfair to K.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ke...sports/uk-basketball-men/article44006358.html
Should’ve looked harder.
Can you link a pic of your fake, Instagram model wife? Rosie would appreciate it.
But that is not what this is about. If we were talking about NCAA record books, you would have a point.
The bottom line is, in this situation, that isn't accounted for.
I get it, you have to do you and we allllll knew what you were getting at, but it just doesn't fit here, neither do fake girlfriends.
Saw those lists today. Good stuff. There’s a way to show it by performance based on KenPom expectations in each NCAAT game. That filters out the “when you’re a 1 seed” noise that some folks are talking about. There are some games where a 2 seed has a better KenPom than the 1 seed. Heck, sometimes a 10 seed is better than a 7 seed.
Anyway, Roy was number 1 on that list too. And K was way down.
Anyway, Roy was number 1 on that list too. And K was way down.
