I would say you guys are both deserving of a three seed. I would probably go FSU 3 and Purdue 4 but you can’t argue with what both of you guys have done this year.
Purdue: 15-3 vs Big Ten, 0-3 vs ACC
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FSU has zero bad non-conference losses, while Purdue lost on a neutral court to sub-100 Notre Dame. Yeah I know, that was when "Purdue was really young".
You guys lost to Pitt who is worse than ND and to BC who also sucks. Purdue has no bad conference losses.
For some bizarre reason that seems to not factor in Nole’s equation. For further reference Purdue SOS 7 - FSU SOS 41. It would have been interesting to see how a young Purdue (tic) would have fared at Mackey against FSU.
There's a good chance that in a week, both those teams will be outside the top-135 in NET and suddenly FSU has two "bad" losses in conference play.
I'm loving what I'm seeing from Purdue lately. They've become the best team in the Big 10 and are quietly flying under the radar while the national media focuses on an offensively inept Michigan team and an injury-riddled MSU team.
FSU's SOS is getting crippled by their cupcakes. Teams like Tulane who we scheduled as a decent mid-major but finds itself sub-300 as if they were from the MEAC. Then you have some mysterious rankings given to some teams like Penn State (12-17) who is NET 49. That's a whopping SEVENTY FOUR spots better than the aforementioned Pitt who has the same shitty 12-17 record while playing in the ACC. Can anyone say with a straight face that 12-17 Penn State really deserves to be ranked 74 spots higher than 12-17 Pitt?
So what's going on here is simply Purdue's cupcakes are better than FSU's, but I feel a SOS should be more about your difficult games, not your cupcakes. And I'll take FSU's 13 games vs the NET top 40 against anyone's. That includes six different opponents in the top 13. FSU's schedule is plenty tough.
They’re 2-3 vs the top 4 in the league. MSU is 3-1 and UM is 3-1.
PUs ability to avoid a bad loss in league play is what’s impressive.
Good point, they've been crushing teams at Mackey but have looked more pedestrian on the road.
They do have the best conference this year with some really good teams, but the main reason for the most bids is the number of teams.
They won in OT at PSU after a gift no call. Beat IU in the road scoring 48.
Two games they should’ve lost but didn’t. MSU, the best team when healthy got the injury bug.
Combo of things falling into place for Purdue but also they’ve really improved and have had some young guys step up. They’re playing really well.
Painter simply needs to get past the S16
correct. this is definitely one hell of a turnaround, we looked NIT bound after 11 games.
agree with this. i feel the we were owed some luck in conference play as payback for the 20% shooter on OSU banking in a 3 to win in Mackey last year (and thus losing the b10 title to you guys).
and the Painter comment is on point. he's had a good run, but no NCAAT runs. i'm not sure this team will break the streak, but i'm amazed at what they've done (my preseason prediction was 6th in the league and in the 8/9 game in the tourney, so i'm thrilled).
Purdue is light years better now then when they played the ACC. I'd place bets on them winning every game if they played again.
You guys won by a point at home when we weren't paying as well. Teams change, that's why head to head in December/November is inferior to metrics. Michigan dump trucked UNC early and UNC looked like ass. Now they look like a true contender and metrics agree. Michigan is still very good, but doesn't look quite like the team that started the season.
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Technically according to NET the ND loss is bad. If you're going by Kenpom then you're right. In NET ND is 103. Kenpom has ND at 82.
FSU doesn't have any bad losses according to NET. I'm not sure if Purdue does, don't really care.
Fwiw, I've been touting Purdue on this board as a final four contender since January. I have no problems with Purdue. But at least get your facts straight.
Common misconception. Only Big Ten schools can improve during the season.
The road has been tough on us. We've still been able to squeak out wins. Doesn't help when your star player goes on a 3-4 game shooting slump during your road game stretch. We started off strong at Maryland and then the 2nd half was the beginning of that slump. Fortunately Maryland was the only team to take advantage.
I've watched them play several times recently. They are good, but nowhere near the improvement we've had.
Well what does NET consider as a bad loss? I thought it was anything below 100. Pitt and BC are both below 100 just as ND is.
Oh well if you say so. Guess I'm glad I asked before I made a statement backed with zero data and nothing but my own, surely unbised, eye test. Thanks for the help.
I'm don't think you understand how game location impacts the quadrants. Both of those games are Q2 losses.
I haven't looked that far into it. That's shocking considering how low they both are. What's the cutoff for quad 2 losses in all scenarios?
Look, I'm not trying to get under anyone's skin. It is my opinion based off my eye test. I could be wrong. Metrics do agree with me though. I'm not saying FSU isn't a good team. They obviously are.
The other thing to consider is that the games I watched FSU they could have had an off night. Purdue's had plenty of those lately.
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Dang, you should probably familiarize yourself with it before making definitive statements. Otherwise, better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak (type) and remove all doubt. Or so the saying goes.
Cut off for a Q2 loss on the road is 135. Cutoff for a Q2 loss at a neutral site is 100. Cut off at home is 75.
Lots of places to find NET team sheets, but here's one I use: http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2019/team-net-sheet?team=Florida-State
Like I said, I don't have a problem with Purdue being a 3 seed. I think y'all are playing great ball. Just would be nice to see you use some actual data instead of "I watched them play 2 times."
Here's some data: From the beginning of the season through January 20, 2019, Purdue was 12th best in the country, while Florida State was 40th. http://barttorvik.com/trank.php?yea...0&top=0&quad=5&venue=All&type=All&mingames=0#
Since January 21, 2019, Purdue has been 7th in the country and FSU has been 11th. http://barttorvik.com/trank.php?yea...1&top=0&quad=5&venue=All&type=All&mingames=0#
So you tell me which team improved more from the first half of the year to the second half?
Technically I've watched FSU more than twice. Never said twice either so not sure why you put that in quotes.
Not sure where you found that site but you picked the statistics when Purdue had already made huge improvements. Go back to when we just played you guys and start from there.
@GE Nole, i won't comment on FSU because the only game i saw was the shitshow when we played y'all, but Purdue's improvement was after the ND game, not late January. (I just tried using the link you posted, and we were 33, FSU 21).
in any case, good luck to you guys in the dance. glad to hear you've improved as well, the top of the ACC is off the charts this year (as usual i suppose)
in any case, good luck to you guys in the dance. glad to hear you've improved as well, the top of the ACC is off the charts this year (as usual i suppose)
Yeah, I don't follow Purdue game by game like you do, I'm sure. Just tried to pick a date that was roughly half way through the year. I think my overall point was that Purdue isn't the only team in the country that has improved this season.
And we were without our top returning scorer from last year Cofer who was out with injury. We also only got 12 minutes from our best overall player and leading scorer Kabengele who is slowly climbing up to possible lottery pick. So yeah, we can say it too- You're lucky you played FSU back then and not now.
You are correct and that is a very reasonable statement. I'm guessing the title of this thread is throwing some Purdue fans into defense mode. It was flame bait to incite an ACC vs Big Ten pissing match and turned into a Purdue vs FSU back and forth.
Fair enough. Although more like Purdue vs one FSU poster who isn't even a regular on this board.
