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OT: Kyrie apologizes to Lebron

Very mature of Kyrie to admit that to Bron! An even bigger person to mention it publicly. Props to Kyrie!
 
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The NBA guys seem to think it wasn't really an apology. It was more of a way to call out the younger guys for not listening to him. They are probably right.
 
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Why couldn't he just have called, said his peace, then not make a media spectacle out of it.
 
JimboBBN said:
Kyrie bit off more than he can chew. Simple as that. Dude is a baller and has killer instinct on the court, but he will never be a great leader. Just doesn't have it in him.
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At least one Celtics fan (Bill Simmons) thinks that Kyrie might lack the "killer instinct on the court" because Kyrie does not (will not? cannot?) take over games on a consistent basis.
 
Quavarius said:
Very mature of Kyrie to admit that to Bron! An even bigger person to mention it publicly. Props to Kyrie!
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But very Lebron-like to pat himself on the back for it.

was he being a bigger person when he cried and sulked when he didn't get the last shot?
 
Big_Blue79 said:
At least one Celtics fan (Bill Simmons) thinks that Kyrie might lack the "killer instinct on the court" because Kyrie does not (will not? cannot?) take over games on a consistent basis.
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Having watched him 6-7 years cannot say I agree with that.
 
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Gaffes like these remind you that he’s still a young, relatively immature guy. We forget because it seems like he’s been in the league forever.
 
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Big_Blue79 said:
Consistently taking over is not something he ever had to do with LeBron.
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But doesn't mean he couldn't do it. Maybe why guys might not want to play with Lebron (Kyrie included). Luckily when they really needed a bucket here he was the one who took it.
 
Hank_ said:
Gaffes like these remind you that he’s still a young, relatively immature guy. We forget because it seems like he’s been in the league forever.
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Agree, but his younger teammates seem to be more mature.
 
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dtgold88 said:
Agree, but his younger teammates seem to be more mature.
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For sure, that’s why I added “relatively immature”. Most players grasp that in order to be an NBA player, you have to grow up quick, and put on a front for the cameras, even if you don’t mean any of it.

Others don’t get it, or don’t care because their status allows them to not care.

BUT, there definitely is a boiling point, depending on how valuable you really are. You saw it with Dwight Howard, you see it with Rondo, and I think you’re starting to see it with Jimmy Butler. People get tired of malcontents that don’t win.
 
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I miss watching MJ, Magic, Bird , Kobe & all the rest play. Warriors that wanted to win.
 
TheDude1 said:
I hate the sports version of "Kid's nowadays... we used to walk backwards through the snow for six miles to get to school!" that so many people do.
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Get Off My Lawn Guys.

And I am old enough to remember all those who were mentioned but just don't believe they cared any more than today's players.
 
TheDude1 said:
I hate the sports version of "Kid's nowadays... we used to walk backwards through the snow for six miles to get to school!" that so many people do.
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Agreed. And they never remember the guys like Derrick Coleman, just the ones that fit their narrative. Funny how that works.
 
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dtgold88 said:
Players today don't want to win? I agree, I miss watching those guys, though.
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Honestly I feel like today’s players care more about the money or joining the next “super” team.
They like to win but like to take the easy way out.
 
uncfan in ky said:
Honestly I feel like today’s players care more about the money or joining the next “super” team.
They like to win but like to take the easy way out.
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Joining a team of other great players, sometimes at the expense of making more money, seems to be more about winning than the idea of trying to do it yourself when that isn't reasonably going to happen.
 
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That's something, btw... as an athlete, I've never ever wanted to play with worse players. I don't remember ever being on a shitty hockey team, playing a really good hockey team, and getting whipped, and thinking to myself "I'd never want to join that good team! I want to struggle with this shitty team and not win many games!"

I never understood the strange "macho" idea that a player who looks to play with other great players is somehow a wimp or something. Who wants to play with crappy teammates?
 
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TheDude1 said:
Joining a team of other great players, sometimes at the expense of making more money, seems to be more about winning than the idea of trying to do it yourself when that isn't reasonably going to happen.
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Maybe that’s why sports today pretty much sucks.,
 
TheDude1 said:
That's something, btw... as an athlete, I've never ever wanted to play with worse players. I don't remember ever being on a shitty hockey team, playing a really good hockey team, and getting whipped, and thinking to myself "I'd never want to join that good team! I want to struggle with this shitty team and not win many games!"

I never understood the strange "macho" idea that a player who looks to play with other great players is somehow a wimp or something. Who wants to play with crappy teammates?
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As a hockey player you'll appreciate this @TheDude1 . I was on a men's league team about 12 years ago that was loaded with guys who sucked. Team was basically carried by myself and another guy up front, my brother (former pro) on D and a good friend of ours who played college hockey with my brother in net. We would somehow make it to the championship game every season and then get our ass kicked by the top team who was loaded with guys who can play.

Never for a second thought about joining that team, but was obsessed with wanting to beat them. Came up with a novel way to do that. I grabbed the 4-5 guys on the team who could play and we all quit the team at the same time, told the guys we left behind the team was now theirs to do as they please. A day later we formed a new team to play in the same league and went out and recruited guys we knew growing up or guys we had met in mens league, all guys who could play.

Ended up creating a dynasty that won 13 league titles over a 10 year period and dominated the team that used to beat us all the time. The team we left ended up folding cause they sucked so much.
 
WeAreDePaul said:
As a hockey player you'll appreciate this @TheDude1 . I was on a men's league team about 12 years ago that was loaded with guys who sucked. Team was basically carried by myself and another guy up front, my brother (former pro) on D and a good friend of ours who played college hockey with my brother in net. We would somehow make it to the championship game every season and then get our ass kicked by the top team who was loaded with guys who can play.

Never for a second thought about joining that team, but was obsessed with wanting to beat them. Came up with a novel way to do that. I grabbed the 4-5 guys on the team who could play and we all quit the team at the same time, told the guys we left behind the team was now theirs to do as they please. A day later we formed a new team to play in the same league and went out and recruited guys we knew growing up or guys we had met in mens league, all guys who could play.

Ended up creating a dynasty that won 13 league titles over a 10 year period and dominated the team that used to beat us all the time. The team we left ended up folding cause they sucked so much.
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RollLaugh

I will be honest... in hockey I never minded being on the crappy team, because I knew A) I'd see a TON of shots and B) I'd always have a chance to single handedly pull a win out if I played really well. But it's a pretty specific situation :)

Where did your brother play?
 
TheDude1 said:
RollLaugh

I will be honest... in hockey I never minded being on the crappy team, because I knew A) I'd see a TON of shots and B) I'd always have a chance to single handedly pull a win out if I played really well. But it's a pretty specific situation :)

Where did your brother play?
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ah, you're a goalie. yea, as a goalie it is a lot more fun to be bombarded than be on the team that is so good the puck is in the other end the whole game.

My brother played college at Oswego State and then played 4 years pro in the now defunct WPHL. Played for Amarillo, Little Rock and Lake Charles. Had an offer to try out for the Chicago Wolves in the AHL, but turned it down and hung up his skates to go to law school instead. Our goalie buddy played a week for Nashville in the old IHL and saved the pay check, has it framed.
 
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uncfan in ky said:
Honestly I feel like today’s players care more about the money or joining the next “super” team.
They like to win but like to take the easy way out.
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Maybe because they can? Barkley wanted out of Philly and was moved to Phoenix, then joined a superteam with Pippen in Houston. Didn't Moses Malone force his trade to Philly? Magic cried and got his coach fired after his rookie season (and a Finals trip).

Yes, the money and CBA is different, but for the most part the players are the same.
 
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dtgold88 said:
Maybe because they can? Barkley wanted out of Philly and was moved to Phoenix, then joined a superteam with Pippen in Houston. Didn't Moses Malone force his trade to Philly? Magic cried and got his coach fired after his rookie season (and a Finals trip).

Yes, the money and CBA is different, but for the most part the players are the same.
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I'm not sure if I agree with that last part. I really think mentality in the game has changed. Players are much more buddy-buddy today than ever back in the 80's and 90's. Mindsets like Kobe and Michael are long gone.

That said, the overall level of talent is definitely higher now than it ever has been before.
 
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dtgold88 said:
Maybe because they can? Barkley wanted out of Philly and was moved to Phoenix, then joined a superteam with Pippen in Houston. Didn't Moses Malone force his trade to Philly? Magic cried and got his coach fired after his rookie season (and a Finals trip).

Yes, the money and CBA is different, but for the most part the players are the same.
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Seriously. And even taking teammates out, why would you want to work for a shitty owner (there are still plenty) and/or shitty GM? Apply the argument to literally any other work context and it's absurd. In tech, finance, legal, consulting, banking, etc... we constantly see the best people concentrating themselves at the best places to work. The only reason* that people think differently about athletes is because, to the fan, sports is about competition. But to the player, the employee, it's about winning.

* there are other, smaller reasons, not the least of which is that fans historically side with the owners over the players (there's a racism component of that)
 
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JimboBBN said:
Mindsets like Kobe and Michael are long gone.
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JimboBBN said:
I'm not sure if I agree with that last part. I really think mentality in the game has changed. Players are much more buddy-buddy today than ever back in the 80's and 90's. Mindsets like Kobe and Michael are long gone.

That said, the overall level of talent is definitely higher now than it ever has been before.
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Michael and Barkley were buddy buddy. Magic kissed Isaiah before a Finals' game.

Are they more buddy, buddy? Probably. But if social media were the same back then as it is now it would be no different.
 
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