OADs who have improved under Coach K and other 2 page books you can buy
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Zion, RJ, Bagley, Jabari and others would of been OAD had they went to Radford. What OAD has kay sent to the league that wasn’t on anyone’s draft board prior to their freshman season?
Tyus Jones, Justice Winslow, Luol Deng, William Avery to name a few.
But it is proven that Roy tends to keep his so called OAD's around for another year or so.
Avery stayed 2 years, Deng wasn’t on anyones draft board. Winslow and Jones were on some draft boards.
I think it is a pretty wild argument to knock Roy for getting multiple guys drafted in the first round who really end up being pretty pedestrian in the pros. Like, are you too dumb to understand this? So he gets more than he probably should out of a lot of these guys. He makes them look so good they get drafted high but really aren't all that. That is somehow a knock on him, lol. Brilliant reasoning.
Plus, if you really believe in this one year genius coaching thing then Cam Johnson and Coby White make Roy look incredible, which is silly. The credit goes to those guys, not the coach who had them for one year. So ridiculous.
Plus, if you really believe in this one year genius coaching thing then Cam Johnson and Coby White make Roy look incredible, which is silly. The credit goes to those guys, not the coach who had them for one year. So ridiculous.
This is dumb. I can't believe I responded again to this guy no one takes seriously with his awful takes. Won't happen again. I apologize to the board.
You don’t owe anyone an apology. That dude has awful takes 99.9% of the time and it just shows his weird infatuation with kay.
You should absolutely apologize. We root for the same team and I won't even engage with him. Been on ignore for years.
Prior to attending Duke, Winslow and Jones were never considered OAD. Fact. Winning the NC got them to the lottery.
Um, no they werent. You are just wrong. Just put me on ignore if I bother you that much honey.
And apologizing to others on an anonymous message board is so you.
What a pussy.
Bwaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaa, Oh no, you have ruined my day and weekend now. BTW, who are you.
Funny, that is the exact same knock we heard about K for the last 30 years with UNc fans. How K's players had zero NBA titles. But then again, being a UNc fan you understand hypocrisy and lies.
Winslow and Jones were on a few draft boards going in the first round prior to their freshman season but I have to consider who I'm responding to. Your dumb ass thought Avery was OAD and he wasn't. The only one you got right was Deng, the other 3 you swung and missed, big time.
Arent you a UNc fan? As a Duke fan, I never had any expectation of Winslow and Jones leaving early until they won the NC. And once again, your opinion means jack shit to me. As does mr passive aggressive coryfly and this grooms guy. But you do continue to entertain me and since I seem to be the one who draws you to post, Rivals has sent me a gift card.
And Avery was 20 years ago. All I know is that the UNc fans had a field day when they thought K screamed at him and his parents that they were Fng up his program. So he left after two years. K was right, he wasnt ready for the NBA.
Yes, my bad. To quote the GOAT it was a momentary lapse of reason. Won't happen again.
I think it's horseshit to believe OAD's don't get best of the best coaching and facilities. Saying it don't is loser's mentality for not getting them or have HOF coaches or millions of dollars keycards that lets them get every single aspect of getting better daily. These athletes aren't lazy. They're soaking in all the tools, including recolonized (*you know what I meant) coaches, to make them better in the long run. I don't know why some fail to recognize that.
I agree it’s an advantage, but how big of an advantage is the question. Not so much that a guy like Ja morant can get drafted and win ROY out of Murray State for two seasons. Does that somehow make him an even better player that he is what he is without the top notch facilities or a hall of fame coach. (Yes zions injuries, but Morant still had a pretty amazing rookie year)
Or super talented guys like Simmons who definitely didn’t get any elite coaching in college and still thrive in the nba. Would he be able to shoot if he had played one season for K/self/cal/Roy? I doubt it.
And Murray’s facilities aren’t bad by any means but obv not on the level of P5 programs. Can’t shit on the alma mater to hard.
Trust me, I know what you're putting out.
You can't tell me these guys are getting paid for free. I understand your angle and where're you're coming from.
How can anyone replace going up against 5+ elite talents in practice and got acclaimed coaching achievements in a world class facility. Do you guys have a world class facility? Wha'ts missing for you to become on board.?
I don’t understand the first part of the post about paid for free?
I agree I think it’s an advantage, but again not some huge advantage that guarantees success. Or that success is impossible without it.
I wonder how many years into their nba careers some OaDs even remember what their college coach used to tell them. Or even 3-4 year college players.
I agree I think it’s an advantage, but again not some huge advantage that guarantees success. Or that success is impossible without it.
I wonder how many years into their nba careers some OaDs even remember what their college coach used to tell them. Or even 3-4 year college players.
There are coaches who aren't at blue bloods who are just as good at developing kids as Roy, K, Cal, etc.... There just isn't enough time to make a decent argument that in one year a kid is making this huge improvement that he wouldn't make at x number of other place. IOW, it is more on the kid and just natural progression. I mean, I'm a UNC fan and Roy gets tons of good players and has put players in the league and even put some that people didn't project to go. K has as well. Cal has as well. Self has as well. If you make the argument that these coaches are developing these kids then you must also then say the high rated kids they don't development is a failure on their end.
That doesn't mean the elite coaches aren't great at their job. They are. However, they aren't responsible for taking a OAD 5* kid and 'developing' him into a OAD first round draft pick.
It's a losers argument. Of course talent chooses the best path. Some said AD wasn't worth the rankings early in the season but they forget that now.
Andsome said no way nerlens Noel or skal we’re gonna be the next coming of AD like uk fans said early in the season but forget that now.
For every success story, theres a bust story or two. So again how much of an advantage is it when some succeed expectations during the same exact seasons that some struggle and don’t live up to their HS ranking. And if it’s on the coach for the ones that do work out how is it not on the coach for the ones that don’t.
I guess it depends on ppl's outlook. Some will never see positive and some refuse to see negative. I've watched plenty of players get better as the season went on.
Sure I have too. But I’ve also watched many, not get worse, but play better in the early part of the season than the end of the season.
Like I’d say Maxeys best game at UK was his first in the CC against sparty. I also feel like Keldon Johnson was better the first half of the year than the last. Transversely on the same team Id say Herro played better as the season went on than he did early in the season. It’s just so random I don’t see how anyone can prove anything definitive about any of it.
