Why do you think this has to do with Izzo? And his success? Ever think maybe it has more to do with the history, i.e. Payne, Appling, Walton, Nassir...Than it does with how many games Izzo has won? When your program is making news for rape cases, assaults...It kinda takes away from the benefit of the doubt, thingy.
You are being naive Sound, if you think trials ALWAYS reveal once and for all, what happened. Majority of the time...Yes. But let's not just pretend every trial.creates equal justice.
Wow. So all but Nassar are victims? Cleaves, Payne and Appling were just 3 dudes, in the wrong place, at the wrong time? Hey...Maybe it was the same girl? Maybe same girl Walton jacked?
If you have a daughter the two schools that are clearly excluded as possibilities are MSU and Baylor.
Name me another school that's had the same....Not to mention, the Payne & Appling case being, well....suspect. Then throw in Nassar, who apparently molested the entire campus..And well, the benefit of the doubt gets cloudy. Look, Cleaves very well may be innocent. Only he knows that answer. But as said, when you've had this reoccur, it just starts to stain the glass a bit.
In no way am I defending the players / MSU in the things that have been reported, but I think you guys are discounting the fact that your schools (and almost all schools) have had issues as well.
You bring up Appling and Payne, who were never convicted of anything and the charges dropped after being investigated by multiple non-MSU entities:
https://www.mlive.com/spartans/2010/09/report_two_michigan_state_bask.html
"Ingham County Prosecutor Stuart Dunnings III confirmed his office decided not to bring charges after what he called a thorough review of the incident, which occurred late Aug. 29 and early Aug. 30 at Wonders Hall."
"Dunnings said the police report and other documents were reviewed by at least two assistant prosecutors, including Debra Rousseau Bouck, who evaluates all criminal sexual conduct cases for Ingham County.
Bouck reviewed "the entire transcript of the victim's statement, not just the snippets in the police report," Dunnings said, before interviewing the alleged victim two days after the incident."
Or Mateen who hasn't been a student/player at MSU for 19 years and went to trial in a completely different court/county - and was aquitted, twice - as proof that MSU is somehow at fault. The public court of law determined he was innocent, regardless of what you believe. But hey, you saw an edited clip on Yahoo News without knowing a single other thing about the case, evidence, testimony, etc.
Nassar is a whole different story. No one knew who he was until this story broke. He had nothing to do with any sports other than gymnastics, and he was also charged for assaults with the US Gymnastics Olympic program and a private gymnastics program that are completely unrelated to MSU. Terrible what happened and I'm not sure you'll find a single soul on this planet, MSU fan or not, that wants anything other than absolute hell for that dude.
Indiana themselves has had quite a bit of trouble with campus rapes, as reports are rising: https://fox59.com/2018/02/01/data-shows-rape-numbers-up-in-bloomington/
Indiana 1 of 12 schools listed as most dangerous for women, based on FBI statistics: https://collegestats.org/2013/02/the-most-dangerous-schools-for-women/
Instructor at IU sexually assaulted 7 students, and IU didn't inform the police for over 6 months: http://specials.idsnews.com/titleixinvestigation/
Indiana football player initially suspended, but allowed to practice with the team while his case is reviewed: https://footballscoop.com/news/not-handle-sexual-assault-investigation-football-player/
"Indiana suspended Ellison on Aug. 24, fully aware Ellison was under investigation for sexual assault.
At some point over the ensuing weeks, Ellison is allowed to return the team. He’s then allowed to return to the practice field, and Allen doesn’t refute that he may play on Saturdays at some point — all while his player is under investigation by the university for sexual assault against a fellow student."
Female IU students protest that IU silences sexual assault victims in 2018: https://indianapublicmedia.org/news/student-protesters-say-iu-silences-sexual-assault-victims2.php
Purdue has had issues as well:
Nearly 22 percent of surveyed female undergraduates at Purdue University said they had been sexually assaulted since entering the West Lafayette campus in 2015 report: https://www.jconline.com/story/news/college/2015/09/21/survey-sex-assaults-purdue-colleges/72559846/
4 football players accused of rape in 2016: https://www.hammerandrails.com/2016/11/16/13652194/four-purdue-football-players-accused-of-rape
Court strikes back at Purdue's handling of campus sexual assault from last month: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...ity-mishandling-of-campus-sexual-assault-case
Purdue paid $200k in 2016 to settle with a graduate student who claims she was sexually assaulted by 2 professors: http://projects.chronicle.com/titleix/campus/Purdue-University-at-West-Lafayette/?case=370
Of the 14 schools in the Big 10, Purdue University is the only college that doesn’t provide a rape crisis center:
https://www.purdueexponent.org/campus/article_d4ac79d0-2587-5965-9d64-73ca371ba3ce.html
Purdue football player sentenced to 37 years for attacking and sexually assaulting 2 women on campus: http://prev.dailyherald.com/story/?id=156411
https://www.purdueexponent.org/campus/article_520eba08-0be9-596d-91c6-cf116090d24a.html
Michigan has had their own issues:
Michigan professor charged in sexual harassment last month: https://www.mlive.com/news/2019/07/...m-opera-professor-emerge-in-court-filing.html
The cover-up of football player Brendan Gibbons rape in 2009, of which he was never expelled until after running out of eligibility: http://www.washtenawwatchdogs.com/u...igan-football-player-brendan-gibbons-for-rape
https://www.chatsports.com/michigan...-it-people-need-to-be-fired-immediately-393#/
Michigan doctor sexually assaulted his patients and had child pr0n in his possession in 2019: https://www.freep.com/story/news/lo...doctor-sexual-misconduct-patients/3002488002/
Wide Receiver Grant Perry charged with multiple offenses, including sexual assault in 2017: https://thespun.com/big-ten/michiga...higan-arrest-suspended-sexual-assault/7?amp=1
https://www.mlive.com/wolverines/2017/08/michigan_wr_grant_perry_senten.html
Woman claims she was raped by Chris Webber and current Michigan basketball head coach Juwan Howard: https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...ted-her/e5a8ddc7-8453-4917-8db8-35f93aa2db14/
I tried to stay out of this thread, but you guys are acting like a bunch of saints when all/most schools have issues.
Here is an interesting data set for crimes for each of the B1G schools between 2005-2015. Indiana had the 3rd highest number of rapes and the 3rd highest number of forcible sexual assaults (behind OSU and Michigan):
You sound like my 9 year old granddaughter with this post...In no way am I defending the players / MSU in the things that have been reported, but I think you guys are discounting the fact that your schools (and almost all schools) have had issues as well.
You bring up Appling and Payne, who were never convicted of anything and the charges dropped after being investigated by multiple non-MSU entities:
https://www.mlive.com/spartans/2010/09/report_two_michigan_state_bask.html
"Ingham County Prosecutor Stuart Dunnings III confirmed his office decided not to bring charges after what he called a thorough review of the incident, which occurred late Aug. 29 and early Aug. 30 at Wonders Hall."
"Dunnings said the police report and other documents were reviewed by at least two assistant prosecutors, including Debra Rousseau Bouck, who evaluates all criminal sexual conduct cases for Ingham County.
Bouck reviewed "the entire transcript of the victim's statement, not just the snippets in the police report," Dunnings said, before interviewing the alleged victim two days after the incident."
The accuser was offered the opportunity to meet again with prosecutors for reconsideration but declined, Dunnings said.
The prosecutor said he consulted with Bouck for a review of her findings.
"I asked what was decided, why it was decided and what the victim thinks about it," Dunnings said. "That's what I always do. Miss Bouck indicated there would be no charges, and the victim didn't have a problem with it.
Or Mateen who hasn't been a student/player at MSU for 19 years and went to trial in a completely different court/county - and was aquitted, twice - as proof that MSU is somehow at fault. The public court of law determined he was innocent, regardless of what you believe. But hey, you saw an edited clip on Yahoo News without knowing a single other thing about the case, evidence, testimony, etc.
Nassar is a whole different story. No one knew who he was until this story broke. He had nothing to do with any sports other than gymnastics, and he was also charged for assaults with the US Gymnastics Olympic program and a private gymnastics program that are completely unrelated to MSU. Terrible what happened and I'm not sure you'll find a single soul on this planet, MSU fan or not, that wants anything other than absolute hell for that dude.
Indiana themselves has had quite a bit of trouble with campus rapes, as reports are rising: https://fox59.com/2018/02/01/data-shows-rape-numbers-up-in-bloomington/
Indiana 1 of 12 schools listed as most dangerous for women, based on FBI statistics: https://collegestats.org/2013/02/the-most-dangerous-schools-for-women/
Instructor at IU sexually assaulted 7 students, and IU didn't inform the police for over 6 months: http://specials.idsnews.com/titleixinvestigation/
Indiana football player initially suspended, but allowed to practice with the team while his case is reviewed: https://footballscoop.com/news/not-handle-sexual-assault-investigation-football-player/
"Indiana suspended Ellison on Aug. 24, fully aware Ellison was under investigation for sexual assault.
At some point over the ensuing weeks, Ellison is allowed to return the team. He’s then allowed to return to the practice field, and Allen doesn’t refute that he may play on Saturdays at some point — all while his player is under investigation by the university for sexual assault against a fellow student."
Female IU students protest that IU silences sexual assault victims in 2018: https://indianapublicmedia.org/news/student-protesters-say-iu-silences-sexual-assault-victims2.php
Purdue has had issues as well:
Nearly 22 percent of surveyed female undergraduates at Purdue University said they had been sexually assaulted since entering the West Lafayette campus in 2015 report: https://www.jconline.com/story/news/college/2015/09/21/survey-sex-assaults-purdue-colleges/72559846/
4 football players accused of rape in 2016: https://www.hammerandrails.com/2016/11/16/13652194/four-purdue-football-players-accused-of-rape
Court strikes back at Purdue's handling of campus sexual assault from last month: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...ity-mishandling-of-campus-sexual-assault-case
Purdue paid $200k in 2016 to settle with a graduate student who claims she was sexually assaulted by 2 professors: http://projects.chronicle.com/titleix/campus/Purdue-University-at-West-Lafayette/?case=370
Of the 14 schools in the Big 10, Purdue University is the only college that doesn’t provide a rape crisis center:
https://www.purdueexponent.org/campus/article_d4ac79d0-2587-5965-9d64-73ca371ba3ce.html
Purdue football player sentenced to 37 years for attacking and sexually assaulting 2 women on campus: http://prev.dailyherald.com/story/?id=156411
https://www.purdueexponent.org/campus/article_520eba08-0be9-596d-91c6-cf116090d24a.html
Michigan has had their own issues:
Michigan professor charged in sexual harassment last month: https://www.mlive.com/news/2019/07/...m-opera-professor-emerge-in-court-filing.html
The cover-up of football player Brendan Gibbons rape in 2009, of which he was never expelled until after running out of eligibility: http://www.washtenawwatchdogs.com/u...igan-football-player-brendan-gibbons-for-rape
https://www.chatsports.com/michigan...-it-people-need-to-be-fired-immediately-393#/
Michigan doctor sexually assaulted his patients and had child pr0n in his possession in 2019: https://www.freep.com/story/news/lo...doctor-sexual-misconduct-patients/3002488002/
Wide Receiver Grant Perry charged with multiple offenses, including sexual assault in 2017: https://thespun.com/big-ten/michiga...higan-arrest-suspended-sexual-assault/7?amp=1
https://www.mlive.com/wolverines/2017/08/michigan_wr_grant_perry_senten.html
Woman claims she was raped by Chris Webber and current Michigan basketball head coach Juwan Howard: https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...ted-her/e5a8ddc7-8453-4917-8db8-35f93aa2db14/
I tried to stay out of this thread, but you guys are acting like a bunch of saints when all/most schools have issues.
Here is an interesting data set for crimes for each of the B1G schools between 2005-2015. Indiana had the 3rd highest number of rapes and the 3rd highest number of forcible sexual assaults (behind OSU and Michigan):
Lol...He showed ONE case of an Athlete, at Indiana .
You really want to go down this road? I mean we can. Your dude posted.cases ranging from 1998, to I guess somewhat recently . He did this to "show me", that it's not just MSU. Well, I never said it was. I said show me.another school with MSU's, most recent issues. And/or the past 10 years. He then post something from 2005...Then from 1998.
Lol @ this entire post. He gave examples that were putrid...at best. Even then, none of them pale to what's gone on MSU. TWENTY -FOUR athletes, basketball and football,have been charged or accused of a sex crime since 2007. I guess that to is on ESPN? One of your athletic trainers was recently charged with sexual assault. Guess that to is ESPN's fault? Dude.....I get it. I.guess. It's your school. .Your team. But Jesus dude. Twenty-four athletes , in 12 years? Cover up issues. Presidents resigning over this shit. Your Title IX coordinator charged [4 counts] with lying.
So all 24 football/Basketball players charges , were bogus?
This seems to be your and or other MSU fans issue. It certainly isn't mine. It's your "go to defense ", when faced with facts. IT has nothing to do with "my team vs your team". It's about a culture that has been created by your school, via your basketball and FB programs. Magnifed by your administration [allegedly], covering it up. It has nothing to.do.with sports, period. I responded as to why some scoffed at Mateen being found not guilty; the scope of how MSU is viewed via the Nassar case, and the multiple issues involving the basketba and football teams. You are the one who has made it a "my team vs your team", thing. Not me.
Honest question because I could be completely wrong here...but didn't Payne...or someone initially admit to raping someone?In no way am I defending the players / MSU in the things that have been reported, but I think you guys are discounting the fact that your schools (and almost all schools) have had issues as well.
You bring up Appling and Payne, who were never convicted of anything and the charges dropped after being investigated by multiple non-MSU entities:
https://www.mlive.com/spartans/2010/09/report_two_michigan_state_bask.html
"Ingham County Prosecutor Stuart Dunnings III confirmed his office decided not to bring charges after what he called a thorough review of the incident, which occurred late Aug. 29 and early Aug. 30 at Wonders Hall."
"Dunnings said the police report and other documents were reviewed by at least two assistant prosecutors, including Debra Rousseau Bouck, who evaluates all criminal sexual conduct cases for Ingham County.
Bouck reviewed "the entire transcript of the victim's statement, not just the snippets in the police report," Dunnings said, before interviewing the alleged victim two days after the incident."
The accuser was offered the opportunity to meet again with prosecutors for reconsideration but declined, Dunnings said.
The prosecutor said he consulted with Bouck for a review of her findings.
"I asked what was decided, why it was decided and what the victim thinks about it," Dunnings said. "That's what I always do. Miss Bouck indicated there would be no charges, and the victim didn't have a problem with it.
Or Mateen who hasn't been a student/player at MSU for 19 years and went to trial in a completely different court/county - and was aquitted, twice - as proof that MSU is somehow at fault. The public court of law determined he was innocent, regardless of what you believe. But hey, you saw an edited clip on Yahoo News without knowing a single other thing about the case, evidence, testimony, etc.
Nassar is a whole different story. No one knew who he was until this story broke. He had nothing to do with any sports other than gymnastics, and he was also charged for assaults with the US Gymnastics Olympic program and a private gymnastics program that are completely unrelated to MSU. Terrible what happened and I'm not sure you'll find a single soul on this planet, MSU fan or not, that wants anything other than absolute hell for that dude.
Indiana themselves has had quite a bit of trouble with campus rapes, as reports are rising: https://fox59.com/2018/02/01/data-shows-rape-numbers-up-in-bloomington/
Indiana 1 of 12 schools listed as most dangerous for women, based on FBI statistics: https://collegestats.org/2013/02/the-most-dangerous-schools-for-women/
Instructor at IU sexually assaulted 7 students, and IU didn't inform the police for over 6 months: http://specials.idsnews.com/titleixinvestigation/
Indiana football player initially suspended, but allowed to practice with the team while his case is reviewed: https://footballscoop.com/news/not-handle-sexual-assault-investigation-football-player/
"Indiana suspended Ellison on Aug. 24, fully aware Ellison was under investigation for sexual assault.
At some point over the ensuing weeks, Ellison is allowed to return the team. He’s then allowed to return to the practice field, and Allen doesn’t refute that he may play on Saturdays at some point — all while his player is under investigation by the university for sexual assault against a fellow student."
Female IU students protest that IU silences sexual assault victims in 2018: https://indianapublicmedia.org/news/student-protesters-say-iu-silences-sexual-assault-victims2.php
Purdue has had issues as well:
Nearly 22 percent of surveyed female undergraduates at Purdue University said they had been sexually assaulted since entering the West Lafayette campus in 2015 report: https://www.jconline.com/story/news/college/2015/09/21/survey-sex-assaults-purdue-colleges/72559846/
4 football players accused of rape in 2016: https://www.hammerandrails.com/2016/11/16/13652194/four-purdue-football-players-accused-of-rape
Court strikes back at Purdue's handling of campus sexual assault from last month: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...ity-mishandling-of-campus-sexual-assault-case
Purdue paid $200k in 2016 to settle with a graduate student who claims she was sexually assaulted by 2 professors: http://projects.chronicle.com/titleix/campus/Purdue-University-at-West-Lafayette/?case=370
Of the 14 schools in the Big 10, Purdue University is the only college that doesn’t provide a rape crisis center:
https://www.purdueexponent.org/campus/article_d4ac79d0-2587-5965-9d64-73ca371ba3ce.html
Purdue football player sentenced to 37 years for attacking and sexually assaulting 2 women on campus: http://prev.dailyherald.com/story/?id=156411
https://www.purdueexponent.org/campus/article_520eba08-0be9-596d-91c6-cf116090d24a.html
Michigan has had their own issues:
Michigan professor charged in sexual harassment last month: https://www.mlive.com/news/2019/07/...m-opera-professor-emerge-in-court-filing.html
The cover-up of football player Brendan Gibbons rape in 2009, of which he was never expelled until after running out of eligibility: http://www.washtenawwatchdogs.com/u...igan-football-player-brendan-gibbons-for-rape
https://www.chatsports.com/michigan...-it-people-need-to-be-fired-immediately-393#/
Michigan doctor sexually assaulted his patients and had child pr0n in his possession in 2019: https://www.freep.com/story/news/lo...doctor-sexual-misconduct-patients/3002488002/
Wide Receiver Grant Perry charged with multiple offenses, including sexual assault in 2017: https://thespun.com/big-ten/michiga...higan-arrest-suspended-sexual-assault/7?amp=1
https://www.mlive.com/wolverines/2017/08/michigan_wr_grant_perry_senten.html
Woman claims she was raped by Chris Webber and current Michigan basketball head coach Juwan Howard: https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...ted-her/e5a8ddc7-8453-4917-8db8-35f93aa2db14/
I tried to stay out of this thread, but you guys are acting like a bunch of saints when all/most schools have issues.
Here is an interesting data set for crimes for each of the B1G schools between 2005-2015. Indiana had the 3rd highest number of rapes and the 3rd highest number of forcible sexual assaults (behind OSU and Michigan):
Ah, thee ole "my boy owned you, simply because I said so!" bullshit. Love it. It's not true, not even close, but I applaud you for the effort. Laughing
Yep, it is. Bogus, though ..I mean haven't ya heard? According to Sparty and his other sidelicks, it's all bogus. Just big, bad ESPN out trying to get poor ole" Sparty.Laughing
Yeah, I don't get how anyone can think that was anything other than a rape. That girl was forced to have sex with Appling. You just can't defend that.
So I guess in your eyes, this means the transgressions didn't happen then huh?
