End of Tennessee Vanderbilt regulation

[iowahawkeyes69]

Did you guys see this? So basically the clocked stopped momentarily during a Vandy possession and then Tennessee ended up with the ball and called timeout with 2.0 seconds. The refs noticed this so they went to the monitor to adjust the clock. But they added 1.3 seconds to 3.3 instead of taking time off to make it .7. Am I missing something here? The clock was stopped during the play meaning more should’ve gone off but they added time. I found this funny that no one noticed or complained

 

[kyjeff1]

Did you guys see this? So basically the clocked stopped momentarily during a Vandy possession and then Tennessee ended up with the ball and called timeout with 2.0 seconds. The refs noticed this so they went to the monitor to adjust the clock. But they added 1.3 seconds to 3.3 instead of taking time off to make it .7. Am I missing something here? The clock was stopped during the play meaning more should’ve gone off but they added time. I found this funny that no one noticed or complained

Yeah, we were chatting about that over at Rupp Rafters.
What's funny is even Jimmy Dykes messed it up. He said that the clock stopped when it should have been rolling, "so they need to put 1.3 seconds on the clock". No, they should be taking 1.3 seconds off the clock.
Sure enough, the refs added 1.3. head scratcher for sure.
That was almost as bad as the F1 that was slapped on Vandy that cost them their lead.

 

[HRTheCard]

Yes I was sitting there wondering why no time was taken off.

 

[RipThru]

Yea and after the review they moved the ball 20 feet for UT. Should’ve been inbounded at half court and ended up in front of the UT bench

 

[iowahawkeyes69]

Just glad the extra time didn’t decide the game

 

[coryfly]

I was watching but not listening. My thought, since I had no explanation, was they ruled Turner did not deflect it. If they didn't then they screwed it up. Still wasn't as bad as the flagrant but a mistake for sure.

 

[IUfanBorden]

didn't see the clock. I thought the F1 on Vandy was a good call. It look as if he intentionally hooked his arm; but didn't hold it. JMO. I hate the rule, anyways. Its hard to decipher, TBH.

 

[iowahawkeyes69]

I was watching but not listening. My thought, since I had no explanation, was they ruled Turner did not deflect it. If they didn't then they screwed it up. Still wasn't as bad as the flagrant but a mistake for sure.

I thought it was tipped but don’t really remember anymore. Maybe it wasn’t and they did the right thing. Dykes was saying it was tipped so time should go back on which confused me a lot

 

[coryfly]

I thought it was tipped but don’t really remember anymore. Maybe it wasn’t and they did the right thing. Dykes was saying it was tipped so time should go back on which confused me a lot

He was probably confused because there was not an appropriate catchphrase for that situation.

 

[MizM]

didn't see the clock. I thought the F1 on Vandy was a good call. It look as if he intentionally hooked his arm; but didn't hold it. JMO. I hate the rule, anyways. Its hard to decipher, TBH.

The VU player’s arm was under the the UT player’s arm. Some observers felt UT’s Williams deliberately hooked VU’s Brown to hold him down but as they leaped up for the rebound, Brown released himself from Williams’ grasp and Williams was left holding on to nothing and lost his balance.

Had Williams not landed so poorly in his flopping exhibition, nothing would have been called. After the F1 was called, Williams immediately stopped rolling around on the floor and strolled away with ease, shooting free throws and running down the floor to score some more points the rest of the way.

He was certainly not injured. Yet he made it look like he’d broken his back when the play first happened, selling the F1 to help UT catch up. UT until that play was behind by enough to lose, with less than 90 seconds to play in regulation.

With it being on national TV and a number one team involved, the refs seemed to just assume they should blame the play on Vanderbilt after witnessing Williams’ theatrics. It’s hard to respect the refs after that call because the refs had several minutes to review the video and see what happened. A mistake like that by a ref is easier to understand when there has not been a review with monitors.

Also they made several other bad calls like the one where a UT player backed his head into VU’s big man Wetzell under the basket where he was standing upright, yet somehow this resulted in fouling out Wetzell. Also, late in the game, Saben Lee sustained a shot to the face while driving, but it was not called or even reviewed by the refs who refused to look at it.

 

[WeAreDePaul]

that F1 call at the end of regulation was total BS. That's 2 games in a week that Tenn should've lost. One cause the other team couldn't hit a free throw and this one cause the refs gave it to them.

 

[RockChalkRally]

I was torn on the flagrant 1 near the end of regulation. I thought to hook was there but both players looked to untangle once both started to jump. I’m guessing with the hook & hold being such a strong emphasis this season, once the players are locked up, whether or not the hold is definite, the hook & hold will be called. Personally I didn’t think the flagrant 1 was a good call but it was still called. Tough one to be sure.

 

[WeAreDePaul]

I was torn on the flagrant 1 near the end of regulation. I thought to hook was there but both players looked to untangle once both started to jump. I’m guessing with the hook & hold being such a strong emphasis this season, once the players are locked up, whether or not the hold is definite, the hook & hold will be called. Personally I didn’t think the flagrant 1 was a good call but it was still called. Tough one to be sure.

looked like a blatant flop by Williams from every angle I saw. Embellishment as it's called in hockey.

 

[RockChalkRally]

I was torn on the flagrant 1 near the end of regulation. I thought to hook was there but both players looked to untangle once both started to jump. I’m guessing with the hook & hold being such a strong emphasis this season, once the players are locked up, whether or not the hold is definite, the hook & hold will be called. Personally I didn’t think the flagrant 1 was a good call but it was still called. Tough one to be sure.

looked like a blatant flop by Williams from every angle I saw. Embellishment as it's called in hockey.

I do agree with this as well. It was a weird play.

 

[kyjeff1]

that F1 call at the end of regulation was total BS. That's 2 games in a week that Tenn should've lost. One cause the other team couldn't hit a free throw and this one cause the refs gave it to them.

Not to mention the ridiculous travel call on Petty at the end of the game that gave UT the ball back in the Alabama game.

 

[RipThru]

Why did they let UT inbound the ball at the 28 foot mark after Williams called To with 3.3 left at half court?

 

[RR30]

Just glad the extra time didn’t decide the game

No the ridiculous hook and hold basically did. Gave UT the lifeline they badly needed.

 

[coryfly]

I was torn on the flagrant 1 near the end of regulation. I thought to hook was there but both players looked to untangle once both started to jump. I’m guessing with the hook & hold being such a strong emphasis this season, once the players are locked up, whether or not the hold is definite, the hook & hold will be called. Personally I didn’t think the flagrant 1 was a good call but it was still called. Tough one to be sure.

It isn't usually called even this year. A few weeks ago Little was hooked and actually held down when he tried to jump (bet the hook lasted 4 or 5 seconds) and the announcers pointed out how obviously an example it was of the new rule and the refs looked at it and then ruled it common. It is applied very inconsistently.

Not to mention the ridiculous travel call on Petty at the end of the game that gave UT the ball back in the Alabama game.

Well, it was a travel. A very small one I wouldn't have called but it was. It was also a clear offensive hook on Petty.

Regardless, there are a lot of dudes apparently not concerned about Tennessee who seem kind of concerned about Tennessee.

 

[RipThru]

It's college basketball man. And the #1 team in the country got a gift (or two). Tennessee will fade back into oblivion soon enough.

It isn't usually called even this year. A few weeks ago Little was hooked and actually held down when he tried to jump (bet the hook lasted 4 or 5 seconds) and the announcers pointed out how obviously an example it was of the new rule and the refs looked at it and then ruled it common. It is applied very inconsistently.



Well, it was a travel. A very small one I wouldn't have called but it was. It was also a clear offensive hook on Petty.

Regardless, there are a lot of dudes apparently not concerned about Tennessee who seem kind of concerned about Tennessee.

 

[coryfly]

It's college basketball man. And the #1 team in the country got a gift (or two). Tennessee will fade back into oblivion soon enough.

You guys lose your **** when you get a gift or two and people point it out. I mean, we all do. It makes sense that they do point it out because you are Kentucky, which carries a lot of weight in college basketball. I'm just saying people kind of imply that UT is nothing but don't act like it. If they were of no concern why just wait for the fall and not throw a fit about this?

 

[rockycard]

You guys lose your **** when you get a gift or two and people point it out. I mean, we all do. It makes sense that they do point it out because you are Kentucky, which carries a lot of weight in college basketball. I'm just saying people kind of imply that UT is nothing but don't act like it. If they were of no concern why just wait for the fall and not throw a fit about this?

This is a message board, should we overlook this kinda thing and concentrate more on recruiting? Lol

 

[coryfly]

You guys lose your **** when you get a gift or two and people point it out. I mean, we all do. It makes sense that they do point it out because you are Kentucky, which carries a lot of weight in college basketball. I'm just saying people kind of imply that UT is nothing but don't act like it. If they were of no concern why just wait for the fall and not throw a fit about this?

This is a message board, should we overlook this kinda thing and concentrate more on recruiting? Lol

No, we should definitely talk about it. Never said otherwise I don’t think. Did not mean it to come across that way.

 

[MizM]

I was torn on the flagrant 1 near the end of regulation. I thought to hook was there but both players looked to untangle once both started to jump. I’m guessing with the hook & hold being such a strong emphasis this season, once the players are locked up, whether or not the hold is definite, the hook & hold will be called. Personally I didn’t think the flagrant 1 was a good call but it was still called. Tough one to be sure.

Who hooked who though? Is the hook basically done by both players and the foul is called on the one who gets the rebound or who doesn’t fall down afterwards? Some said Williams’ arm was over Brown’s to keep VU’s Brown down but Brown released himself.

 

[coryfly]

Who hooked who though? Is the hook basically done by both players and the foul is called on the one who gets the rebound or who doesn’t fall down afterwards? Some said Williams’ arm was over Brown’s to keep VU’s Brown down but Brown released himself.

That is hard to tell sometimes. I didn't think it was the case on that play though. Looked like a pretty clear hook on Brown. Now, I don't even think the hook was that bad, certainly not bad enough to hinder him getting the ball. The foul was on the push once they jumped IMO. Regardless, should have just been a common foul and play on. But, that dumb rule. Has to be one of the dumbest things the NCAA has done in a while, which is saying something.

 

[rockchalk4ever]

Glad to hear so many of you calling out the things I was squawking about last night. I was a little drunk and loud, but the missus thought I was just calling out shit that wasn't really there. I kept saying that Vandy was getting fvcked by the stripes. Sad

 

[kyjeff1]

Who hooked who though? Is the hook basically done by both players and the foul is called on the one who gets the rebound or who doesn’t fall down afterwards? Some said Williams’ arm was over Brown’s to keep VU’s Brown down but Brown released himself.

I think these officials go to the monitor knowing that a player fell awkwardly and it could have been a dangerous play, which is BS.
The Vandy player was simply going up for a rebound. Their arms really weren't actually tangled, Williams' arm was on top of the Vandy players' arm and it caused him to fall awkwardly when both guys went up. There was no flagrant foul there.
Go to the UK/Auburn game. PJ Washington got an F1 because the Auburn guy was going up for a dunk and PJ went for the block and hit his arm. The Auburn player landed hard, but that's on him, PJ did what he was supposed to do.
I realize it's not the actual refs on the floor that are making the final call, but that just means the entire college basketball officiating staff needs better training.

 

[RockChalkRally]

I was torn on the flagrant 1 near the end of regulation. I thought to hook was there but both players looked to untangle once both started to jump. I’m guessing with the hook & hold being such a strong emphasis this season, once the players are locked up, whether or not the hold is definite, the hook & hold will be called. Personally I didn’t think the flagrant 1 was a good call but it was still called. Tough one to be sure.

Who hooked who though? Is the hook basically done by both players and the foul is called on the one who gets the rebound or who doesn’t fall down afterwards? Some said Williams’ arm was over Brown’s to keep VU’s Brown down but Brown released himself.

I agree with you man. It was not easy to tell who really had who hooked. To me they both released before both jumped but because Williams took the awkward fall, I wasn’t surprised to see the flagrant 1 called. Still wasn’t convinced it was a flagrant 1.

 

[coryfly]

It was extremely easy to tell who was hooked. I don't think anyone outside of message board posters actually has this take. The official didn't go to the monitor to see what happened. He actually saw it live, called the hook and hold, and went to the monitor to confirm it. Dumb rule. Correct application, which the entire basketball world, including Vanderbilt people who aren't just random fans, seem to understand.

 

[MizM]

It was extremely easy to tell who was hooked. I don't think anyone outside of message board posters actually has this take. The official didn't go to the monitor to see what happened. He actually saw it live, called the hook and hold, and went to the monitor to confirm it. Dumb rule. Correct application, which the entire basketball world, including Vanderbilt people who aren't just random fans, seem to understand.

No, the refs did go to the monitor for several minutes. You don’t know what you are talking about. The Vanderbilt people of our message board are all outraged and Tim Thompson, the color commentator for VU radio said he looked at it several times and felt that Grant Williams had hooked Brown to hold him down. He saw no justification for the call or the flagrant 1.

It was easy to tell however that the referees were calling most things UT’s way whenever there was an issue in doubt.

Everything in your post was a false statement, particularly about how “Vanderbilt people” view it, including the coach, who has made his views known.

 

[MizM]

That is hard to tell sometimes. I didn't think it was the case on that play though. Looked like a pretty clear hook on Brown. Now, I don't even think the hook was that bad, certainly not bad enough to hinder him getting the ball. The foul was on the push once they jumped IMO. Regardless, should have just been a common foul and play on. But, that dumb rule. Has to be one of the dumbest things the NCAA has done in a while, which is saying something.

There was no push by Brown. Your guy tried to hook brown and had his arm on top of brown hoping to hold him down and it didn’t work. There was no foul on that play.

And just like there should have been charging called on Williams for ramming his head into Wetzell while backing into him under the goal but your ref payroll contributions apparently led to Wetzell being called for it and fouling out.

Not to mention the shot to the face Saben Lee took late in the game while driving which somehow didn’t equate with a flagrant 1 or even a review, while your drama queen’s flop magically did.

 

[coryfly]

No, the refs did go to the monitor for several minutes. You don’t know what you are talking about. The Vanderbilt people of our message board are all outraged and Tim Thompson, the color commentator for VU radio said he looked at it several times and felt that Grant Williams had hooked Brown to hold him down. He saw no justification for the call or the flagrant 1.

It was easy to tell however that the referees were calling most things UT’s way whenever there was an issue in doubt.

Everything in your post was a false statement, particularly about how “Vanderbilt people” view it, including the coach, who has made his views known.

Right, so you and your message board buddies and commentator are pissed off and don't know what the hell you are talking about. That is basically what I said.

I could certainly be wrong about them calling it immediately. I thought I saw a replay where he made the signal as soon as he called it. Everything else I said is dead on though. Unless you are biased it is clear who was hooking.

Drew Maddux even said on the radio it was the right call. Dude actually played there. Like, played the game of basketball, not just watched the game on TV yelling about getting screwed by the refs.

Hey, be proud though, your classy coach wouldn't even shake Grant's hand after the game.

 

[coryfly]

There was no push by Brown. Your guy tried to hook brown and had his arm on top of brown hoping to hold him down and it didn’t work. There was no foul on that play.

And just like there should have been charging called on Williams for ramming his head into Wetzell while backing into him under the goal but your ref payroll contributions apparently led to Wetzell being called for it and fouling out.

Not to mention the shot to the face Saben Lee took late in the game while driving which somehow didn’t equate with a flagrant 1 or even a review, while your drama queen’s flop magically did.

I'm a UNC fan, chief.

He clearly pushed him as they jumped. This isn't even debatable.

UT got a good whistle for sure. That doesn't make you any less wrong about that play though.

 

[MizM]

Right, so you and your message board buddies and commentator are pissed off and don't know what the hell you are talking about. That is basically what I said.

I could certainly be wrong about them calling it immediately. I thought I saw a replay where he made the signal as soon as he called it. Everything else I said is dead on though. Unless you are biased it is clear who was hooking.

Drew Maddux even said on the radio it was the right call. Dude actually played there. Like, played the game of basketball, not just watched the game on TV yelling about getting screwed by the refs.

Hey, be proud though, your classy coach wouldn't even shake Grant's hand after the game.

As to the “classy coach” comment - Your drama queen flopper came at him from the side while he was walking toward players to shake the hand of after talking to the coach. He didn’t have a chance to see him because your coach’s back was in between them when drama flopper was creeping up from behind his coach.

If you would look again at the video, as soon as Drew heard Flopper Man speaking to him from the side he turned his head to say “Good job!” And you can see him say that while his arm is extended to shake the hand of the first UT player in front of him.

If Flopper Drama Man had wanted to get in line with the rest of UT’s players instead of creep up awkwardly from behind his coach there would have been no way to spin this the way you are doing.

What a crybaby you are about your delusion that Drew “cold shouldered” him. What do you care anyway - aren’t we Little Brother to you UT fans? You seek the approval of Little Brother after the game for your flops? (And I just saw you insist you are a UNC fan in a different post. I don’t believe you. UNC folks have better things to do than obsess about UT.)

And regardless of what one person you quoted supposedly said, the vast majority of commentators saw the flop call as an outrage, including national commentators not affiliated with VU.

 

[coryfly]

Your drama queen flopper came at him from the side while he was walking toward players to shake the hand of after talking to the coach. He didn’t have a chance to see him because your coach’s back was in between them when drama flopper was creeping up from behind his coach.

If you would look again at the video, as soon as Drew heard Flopper Man speaking to him from the side he turned his head to say “Good job!” And you can see him say that while his arm is extended to shake the hand of the first UT player in front of him.

If Flopper Drama Man had wanted to get in line with the rest of UT’s players instead of creep up awkwardly from behind his coach there would have been no way to spin this the way you are doing.

What a crybaby you are about your delusion that Drew “cold shouldered” him. What do you care anyway - aren’t we Little Brother? You seek the approval of Little Brother after the game for your flops?

And regardless of what one person you quoted supposedly said, the vast majority of commentators saw the flop call as an outrage, including national commentators not affiliated with VU.

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Nah, he looked directly at his hand and refused to shake it. Look, he is not as big of a prick as Stallings so at least you have that.

Dan Wolken hates Tennessee with a passion. He has blocked every UT fan in the country from his Twitter account I think. C'mon, if you live in this state you know this.

I mean, Chapman is right. It shouldn't be a flagrant. So have them change the rule. I hope they do.

I don't know who Bobby Reagen is. An uncle or cousin of yours maybe?? His video clearly shows the foul. I could post all sorts of tweets and comments that say otherwise. I don't need to though because I know I'm right tbh.

Also, again, I'm a UNC fan. Keep crying though. After this next two game stretch I think you guys can scratch out some wins. I hope so. I pull for you guys a lot.

 

[MizM]

Nah, he looked directly at his hand and refused to shake it. Look, he is not as big of a prick as Stallings so at least you have that.

Dan Wolken hates Tennessee with a passion. He has blocked every UT fan in the country from his Twitter account I think. C'mon, if you live in this state you know this.

I mean, Chapman is right. It shouldn't be a flagrant. So have them change the rule. I hope they do.

I don't know who Bobby Reagen is. An uncle or cousin of yours maybe?? His video clearly shows the foul. I could post all sorts of tweets and comments that say otherwise. I don't need to though because I know I'm right tbh.

Also, again, I'm a UNC fan.

The tweets were found here -

https://thespun.com/college-hoops/referees-make-disastrous-call-at-the-end-of-tennessee-vanderbilt

I guess Wolken however is not as unaffiliated with VU as I thought after looking at his bio. I thought he was just a USA Today sports commentator.

Again, the rule does not justify the call. It is not possible to know who hooked who first and the rule says the arm can be above or below. The issue in the rule is intent to deceive. The deceiving flopper is clearly Williams, whose arm was on top to try to push down Brown.

He failed to push down Brown and both leapt up and they disengaged as brown went for the rebound. Williams was not in position to get it so the only thing he could do was flop since he failed to be in the right spot for the rebound.

That’s all on Williams.

 

[coryfly]

The tweets were found here -
https://thespun.com/college-hoops/referees-make-disastrous-call-at-the-end-of-tennessee-vanderbilt

I guess Wolken however is not as unaffiliated with VU as I thought after looking at his bio. I thought he was just a USA Today sports commentator.

Again, the rule does not justify the call. It is not possible to know who hooked who first and the rule says the arm can be above or below. The issue in the rule is intent to deceive. The deceiving flopper is clearly Williams, whose arm was on top to try to push down Brown.

He failed to push down Brown and both leapt up and they disengaged as brown went for the rebound. Williams was not in position to get it so the only thing he could do was flop since he failed to be in the right spot for the rebound.

That’s all on Williams.

Apparently the only issue in the rule is not the intent to deceive. I thought the same thing but that is apparently not the case according to officials and analysts. They clearly need to figure this all out though.

I don't believe you have even watched it. Brown hooks him. I mean, he hooks him. Grant is allowed to put his arm where he did. What you are not allowed to do is hook an arm around another player's arm like Brown did. You really lose all credibility with the flop comment though. Grant isn't in the Matrix. He flops at times for sure. However, they jumped up and he pushed him while both were in the air. Should have been a common foul, two FTs, and Vandy probably wins. They need to change the rule for sure.

You know what else Vandy could have done? Not turned the ball over 4 times in a row. However, I thought Drew had an outstanding game plan that bodes well for them going forward.

 

[MizM]

Apparently the only issue in the rule is not the intent to deceive. I thought the same thing but that is apparently not the case according to officials and analysts. They clearly need to figure this all out though.

I don't believe you have even watched it. Brown hooks him. I mean, he hooks him. Grant is allowed to put his arm where he did. What you are not allowed to do is hook an arm around another player's arm like Brown did. You really lose all credibility with the flop comment though. Grant isn't in the Matrix. He flops at times for sure. However, they jumped up and he pushed him while both were in the air. Should have been a common foul, two FTs, and Vandy probably wins. They need to change the rule for sure.

You know what else Vandy could have done? Not turned the ball over 4 times in a row. However, I thought Drew had an outstanding game plan that bodes well for them going forward.

I watched it several times. You didn’t watch it at all except to repeat the UT talking points.

And you didn’t even look at the videotape or you would know everything you said about the handshake situation is a big fib. Whether you like UNC or not it’s clear you are a big liar when it comes to UT and therefore nothing you say is believable including about what team you support.

Your interest in who supports UT and who doesn’t shows you are obviously a UT fan. Like the ones who who stood behind me at the Thanksgiving weekend UT-VU football game wearing colors other than orange to not be spotted as Vol fans. Then they admitted it later.

Deceit is your middle name and that’s the key part of the flop rule. You guys are great at flopping, lying and deceiving.

And yes there were plenty of things Vanderbilt could have done better to win including hitting more FTs. Despite that they were up by 6 with 80 seconds to go when that call happened. And without their best player, a team that includes freshmen and transfers in their first SEC season.

 

[coryfly]

I watched it several times. You didn’t watch it at all except to repeat the UT talking points.

And you didn’t even look at the videotape or you would know everything you said about the handshake situation is a big fib. Whether you like UNC or not it’s clear you are a big liar when it comes to UT and therefore nothing you say is believable including about what team you support.

Your interest in who supports UT and who doesn’t shows you are obviously a UT fan. Like the ones who who stood behind me at the Thanksgiving weekend UT-VU football game wearing colors other than orange to not be spotted as Vol fans. Then they admitted it later.

Deceit is your middle name and that’s the key part of the flop rule. You guys are great at flopping, lying and deceiving.

Lol, you have lost your mind. I'm a UNC fan first. If you had spent some time here you would know I definitely pull for Tennessee after that. Have never claimed otherwise. However, that isn't nearly as important to me as the Heels. I do hope they do well. I actually hope all teams from the state do well for the most part.

I've also admitted UT got a good whistle so I'm not nearly as out there or biased as you are.

That last paragraph is message board awesomeness. You are clearly a Vandy fan that has been hurt badly by a UT boy or girl at some point. I'm sorry, man.

 

[MizM]

Yes you finally admit you are also a UT fan. After lying and saying you are neutral and only care about UNC.

The point I made about deceit is to do with the rule, Einstein. Not about being “hurt” - it’s you floppers who are constantly telling everybody how you got hurt. Trying to make me into the flopper won’t fly, Joe Turner.

Here is the deceit issue I was talking about which you missed since you didn’t watch the play and don’t know the rule either.

Go here: http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/BR19.pdf page 46

c. Flagrant 1 personal foul. A flagrant 1 personal foul is a personal foul that is deemed excessive in nature and/or unnecessary, but is not based solely on the severity of the act. Examples include, but are not limited to:

1. Causing excessive contact with an opponent;
2. Contact that is not a legitimate attempt to play the ball or player, specifically designed to stop or keep the clock from starting;
3. Pushing or holding a player from behind to prevent a score;
4. Fouling a player clearly away from the ball who is not directly involved with the play, specifically designed to stop or keep the clock from starting;
5. Contact with a player making a throw-in, and
6. Illegal contact caused by swinging of an elbow that is deemed excessive or unnecessary but does not rise to the level of a flagrant 2 personal foul (See Rule 4-18.7).
7. Illegal contact caused by a player hooking an opponent over or under the arm in an attempt to deceive the official into believing the contact was caused by the opponent. Depending on the nature of the contact, or the result of the contact, this foul could be considered a flagrant 2 foul.

On page 7–
Hook and Hold Plays This tactic, most often employed by an offensive player (but not always), occurs when the offensive player hooks an arm under or over the defensive player’s arm and continues to move forward, giving the appearance of a defensive foul. Officials must see the entire play and ensure that the defense is not unfairly penalized.

Sorry you don’t get it that it’s about deceiving the ref into thinking it was a defensive foul. The only one deceiving and faking was the flopper.

I give you guys the drama queen acting trophy though. Flopping is about acting hurt. And you’re also good at trying to project what you’re doing on to others including me. I’m not the one claiming to be hurt. You’re the ones making a living on the court by pretending somebody hurt you - rolling around in misery until the bogus foul got called.

The acting job by Williams was a thing of beauty.

 

[coryfly]

Yes you finally admit you are also a UT fan. After lying and saying you are neutral and only care about UNC.

The point I made about deceit is to do with the rule, Einstein. Not about being “hurt” - it’s you floppers who are constantly telling everybody how you got hurt. Trying to make me into the flopper won’t fly, Joe Turner.

Here is the deceit issue I was talking about which you missed since you didn’t watch the play and don’t know the rule either.

Go here: http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/BR19.pdf page 46

c. Flagrant 1 personal foul. A flagrant 1 personal foul is a personal foul that is deemed excessive in nature and/or unnecessary, but is not based solely on the severity of the act. Examples include, but are not limited to:

1. Causing excessive contact with an opponent;
2. Contact that is not a legitimate attempt to play the ball or player, specifically designed to stop or keep the clock from starting;
3. Pushing or holding a player from behind to prevent a score;
4. Fouling a player clearly away from the ball who is not directly involved with the play, specifically designed to stop or keep the clock from starting;
5. Contact with a player making a throw-in, and
6. Illegal contact caused by swinging of an elbow that is deemed excessive or unnecessary but does not rise to the level of a flagrant 2 personal foul (See Rule 4-18.7).
7. Illegal contact caused by a player hooking an opponent over or under the arm in an attempt to deceive the official into believing the contact was caused by the opponent. Depending on the nature of the contact, or the result of the contact, this foul could be considered a flagrant 2 foul.

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Hook and Hold Plays This tactic, most often employed by an offensive player (but not always), occurs when the offensive player hooks an arm under or over the defensive player’s arm and continues to move forward, giving the appearance of a defensive foul. Officials must see the entire play and ensure that the defense is not unfairly penalized.[/B]

You have to stop making things up. I never said I was neutral or that I only cared for UNC. I hope UT wins but am only emotionally invested in UNC. Read better, post better.

Yes, I understand it has to do with the rule. It is the intent to deceive the official. Everyone knows this. I have no idea what you are talking about with being 'hurt'. Seriously, no clue whatsoever. I assume you misunderstood something I said.

However, regardless of what you think (or I think either tbh) they are also calling it for players simply hooking and holding players as they jump. They are, which is what they did and what apparently they are supposed to do. Keep bitching though, man, This is somewhat entertaining on a slow Thursday night.