Defendants found GUILTY on All Counts of Defrauding Universities.
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How many butts instantly started hurting with this news?
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Why would people be butthurt?
Being a victim does not mean you don't face repercussions if you play an ineligible player.
No, but how is the NCAA going to use evidence against the University from the FBI case that determined the schools are victims? That doesn't make any sense.
The NCAA has 0 evidence if they do not use the FBI's findings and if they do, the schools will say they are the victims, because that's the result of the trial.
I'm not sure this means what some people think it means.
Well, it court verified proof that our staff and school knew nothing about illegal activities---neither did the ncaa. Going to be tough to penalize schools for something they were completely unaware of....per the FBI.
Seriously? Just because the jury found the universities innoncebt doesn’t mean DeSousa didn’t receive impermissible benefits.
The two are not mutually exclusive.
Kansas isn't going to be punished. We both know that.
I think what it does is lessen the punishments. I still see the NCAA putting the schools associated with the trial and Adidas on probation for something like "lack of institutional control" for not knowing or stopping the Adidas payments. Maybe a 1-2 scholarship reduction which most programs can handle. I don't see any post season bans.
The big question will be what happens with De Sousa and KU's 2018 season. I can see KU working it out with the NCAA using the "he was cleared last season by the clearinghouse" and KU working with the NCAA on it all including Preston last season. I see KU keeping the 2018 season but losing De Sousa permanently.
In the long run this made cheating more likely....... because schools are now and forever the "victim" ... now its just a matter of finding the people willing to risk jail time to cheat for you
The only evidence the NCAA has is the FBI investigation and that's IF they hand over the files. If they don't, then they have nothing. And even if they do, the verdict was that the schools were victims. The schools will argue that all day long if the NCAA tries to do anything imo.
There is no possible way the ncaa would issue a lack of institutional control about the adidas payments. They have court recognized proof is was defrauding the school. The ncaa cleared Silvio on the exact information KS was privy to at the time. I think silvio is probably done with CBB, but holding KS responsible for knowing the unknowable is absurd.
If the NCAA wanted to......... they could get self and KU for playing SDS after they already knew preston was paid by gassnola. When Gassnola said he'd help for both players. I mean its pretty common sense to look into the 2nd guy when you already know the 1st guy was paid and cheated.
I highly doubt the NCAA would want to go that route though
I highly doubt the NCAA would want to go that route though
so............. when is WWW going on trial......... defrauding Cal all those years... Cal really should sue for defamation.
I just don't see how the NCAA does anything now to any specific school regardless of evidence because the schools will claim they didn't know and are the victims. They will claim that you can't punish a victim. I think they will just have some "suggestions" again. But we're years away from that.
Well they will use the evidence that proves he is ineligible to declare him ineligible... I missing whatever point you are trying to prove here.
It verified that the school didn't know not necessarily the staff.
There are still more trials to come. If anyone thinks they’ve got clean at this point they’re being naive. There is much more to play out here.
Kinda funny isnt it? if they would of allowed the Townsend / Code evidence... that creates the doubt to convict on defrauding the schools.
BBN is going to lose their minds over this and I’m Laughing my ass off too. KU fans, get ready for the blow back because you got a few butthurt UK fans to deal with.
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Okay... this is a completely different argument than you just made. Why would the NCAA ignore the findings of a court? How would using that evidence "not make any sense"?
History shows the NCAA usually doesn't like to make players retroactively ineligible. They would rather hand down future punishments. If the make a player ineligible retroactively it usually because multiple issues and multiple violations happened (see Louisville) or the schools/player did not cooperate at all with the investigation (see Memphis/Derrick Rose).
I don't see the NCAA making De Sousa retroactively ineligible unless proof comes out eventually of the staff knowing. KU appears to be cooperating fully with the NCAA.
What? History actually shows the NCAA has no problem making players retroactively ineligible. (Louisville players, Derrick Rose at Memphis)
Becaus even with all of that evidence the school was still deemed the victim. I guess eligibilty is still in question, but I don’t see how the NCAA punishes the school and the only way to punish the school, is vacate any game he played in. I don’t see that happening when the school was the victim according to the FBI. And we’re still assuming the FBI hands the info over.
What makes you think the school not knowing magically means he is eligible? That makes literally zero sense.
Cliff Alexander is an example of a player they did not make retroactively ineligible.
But I also found more players who were retroactively ineligible. Also found players who weren't.
I do take back that post though. History with the NCAA shows nothing. If there is one thing for certain that is that we have no idea what the NCAA will do.
Shred it? It wasn't admitted into court and it certainly doesn't prove any payment was made of any kind to zion---by adidas or from duke. Its basically third party hearsay from a guy desperate to save his own skin. KT's text saying if thats what it takes we need to find a way to land him can be taken a ton of different ways---including absolute guilt---also including doing as much as legally possible to meet the requests without breaking eligibility rules. It certainly helps he didn't land in lawrence.
JMO. I hope no school gets punished and let's just play ball.
I don't "hope" the schools involved don't get punished. But I don't really care if they aren't. I'm pretty ambivalent to it at this point. If they are punished, it shouldn't go beyond vacating games ineligible players participated in though. Scholarship reductions or post season bans(unless the school was directly involved) would be uncalled for.
I mainly just don't agree on some of the analysis regarding NCAA rules.
I didn’t say that. I know he’s ineligible, but I don’t think the NCAA will rule him ineligible is what I’m saying.
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