Bart Torvik's preseason rankings...
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@dukedevilz the Duke fanbase like to cite Torvik all the time. Explain this. This is perhaps the worst preseason top 25 I have ever seen based on actual results
Here? I’m not saying it’s not happened, it’s a genuine question. I can only recall ever seeing @ExitFlagger (I think) reference it here
Few folks on here have cited Torvik. I'm sure I have a few times, but I'd say KenPom is the more trusted analytic tool.
I don't know what Torvik's methodology is, I always thought he was aggregating recruiting rankings mixed with experience levels. Clearly there's some flaw in this if he has Virginia at #4 - and leaves out several notable top teams.
I will say, however, that his preseason projections look quite reasonable. He had St. John's at #16, when they were not ranked in the preseason polls. He had KU and Alabama at 4 and 9, when most polls had them at #1 and #2... So yeah, not sure how the "most talented rosters" is measured, but his preseason projections are more than reasonable, IMO.
To be fair this is purely to do with talent and not chemistry. However it's still clearly wrong how he has UVA at 4 is mind blowing
Yeah pretty ballzy call on St. Johns in the preseason.Few folks on here have cited Torvik. I'm sure I have a few times, but I'd say KenPom is the more trusted analytic tool.
I don't know what Torvik's methodology is, I always thought he was aggregating recruiting rankings mixed with experience levels. Clearly there's some flaw in this if he has Virginia at #4 - and leaves out several notable top teams.
I will say, however, that his preseason projections look quite reasonable. He had St. John's at #16, when they were not ranked in the preseason polls. He had KU and Alabama at 4 and 9, when most polls had them at #1 and #2... So yeah, not sure how the "most talented rosters" is measured, but his preseason projections are more than reasonable, IMO.
Talent is going to be much harder to realize with the crazy transfer portal. Solid old guys are going to win vs "talented" freshman for the most part save the very very top guys.Few folks on here have cited Torvik. I'm sure I have a few times, but I'd say KenPom is the more trusted analytic tool.
I don't know what Torvik's methodology is, I always thought he was aggregating recruiting rankings mixed with experience levels. Clearly there's some flaw in this if he has Virginia at #4 - and leaves out several notable top teams.
I will say, however, that his preseason projections look quite reasonable. He had St. John's at #16, when they were not ranked in the preseason polls. He had KU and Alabama at 4 and 9, when most polls had them at #1 and #2... So yeah, not sure how the "most talented rosters" is measured, but his preseason projections are more than reasonable, IMO.
I will say, however, that his preseason projections look quite reasonable. He had St. John's at #16, when they were not ranked in the preseason polls. He had KU and Alabama at 4 and 9, when most polls had them at #1 and #2... So yeah, not sure how the "most talented rosters" is measured, but his preseason projections are more than reasonable, IMO.
No.
Teams that Tarvik got totally wrong:
#1 UConn: 18-9 (10-6)
After dominating the Big East for two straight years, the Huskies have been surpassed by Rick Pitino's St John Storm.
#13 Georgetown: 16-11 (7-9) <-- below 0.500 in BE
Overrated ACC teams are now NCAA bubble teams or out:
#4 Virginia: 13-14 (6-10) <-- below 0.500 in the ACC
#5 North Carolina: 17-11 (10-6)
#12 Wake Forrest: 19-8 (11-5)
#20 Syracuse: 11-16 (5-11) <-- below 0.500
#26 Miami: 6-21 (2-14) -- Last in the ACC
Overrated Big "Ten" teams - not even NCAA bubble teams:
#3 Indiana: 16-11 (7-9)
#16 Penn St: 15-13 (5-12)
#22 Ohio St: 15-13 (7-10)
Indiana, Penn ST & Ohio St may have made the 2024 college football playoffs but all of these programs suck in basketball today!
Ditto for the Georgia Bulldogs!
Ditto for the Notre Dame Irish (12-15, 6-10)!
I guess these 2024-CFP-teams used up all of their 'NIL'-money on their football teams
and have nothing to show for their basketball teams.
The Tennessee Vols were the only program to have a top 12 football team
and a top 12 basketball team on that list. Good going!
The Vols were the only program to both walk & chew gum at the same time!
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Can't forget Tarvik's top SEC (2025) pre-season projections:
No SEC teams were in Tarviks preseason Top 10 until
#17 Texas AM, love the aggies so much that Tarvik also has them at #35!
#18 Arkansas: 16-11 (5-9)
#21 Georgia: 16-11 (4-10)
#33 Tennessee (at least the vols were mentioned)
#32 Ole Miss
#36 Miss St
# 41 Kentucky
#43 Missouri
#44 LSU
#49 S. Carolina
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Didn't Alabama make the 2024 Final4?
Didn't Auburn & Florida play for the 2024 SEC title, with AU winning it?
AU, AL & FL were not even good enough for the preseason top 50?
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In the current Kenpom & NCAA NET, four of the top six teams are SEC:
Wk16-AP Poll of SEC teams (8 SEC teams ranked):
#1 Auburn,
#2 Florida,
#4 Alabama,
#6 Tennessee,
#7 Texas AM
#17 Kentucky
#21 Mississippi St
#24 Mississippi
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Pretty sure the list you're looking at is the "talent" one. UCONN was 13th I believe in the preseason projections. Think this is it.No.
Teams that Tarvik got totally wrong:
#1 UConn: 18-9 (10-6)
After dominating the Big East for two straight years, the Huskies have been surpassed by Rick Pitino's St John Storm.
#13 Georgetown: 16-11 (7-9) <-- below 0.500 in BE
Overrated ACC teams are now NCAA bubble teams or out:
#4 Virginia: 13-14 (6-10) <-- below 0.500 in the ACC
#5 North Carolina: 17-11 (10-6)
#12 Wake Forrest: 19-8 (11-5)
#20 Syracuse: 11-16 (5-11) <-- below 0.500
#26 Miami: 6-21 (2-14) -- Last in the ACC
Overrated Big "Ten" teams - not even NCAA bubble teams:
#3 Indiana: 16-11 (7-9)
#16 Penn St: 15-13 (5-12)
#22 Ohio St: 15-13 (7-10)
Indiana, Penn ST & Ohio St may have made the 2024 college football playoffs but all of these programs suck in basketball today!
Ditto for the Georgia Bulldogs!
Ditto for the Notre Dame Irish (12-15, 6-10)!
I guess these 2024-CFP-teams used up all of their 'NIL'-money on their football teams
and have nothing to show for their basketball teams.
The Tennessee Vols were the only program to have a top 12 football team
and a top 12 basketball team on that list. Good going!
The Vols were the only program to both walk & chew gum at the same time!
====================================================================
Can't forget Tarvik's top SEC (2025) pre-season projections:
No SEC teams were in Tarviks preseason Top 10 until
#17 Texas AM, love the aggies so much that Tarvik also has them at #35!
#18 Arkansas: 16-11 (5-9)
#21 Georgia: 16-11 (4-10)
#33 Tennessee (at least the vols were mentioned)
#32 Ole Miss
#36 Miss St
# 41 Kentucky
#43 Missouri
#44 LSU
#49 S. Carolina
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Didn't Alabama make the 2024 Final4?
Didn't Auburn & Florida play for the 2024 SEC title, with AU winning it?
AU, AL & FL were not even good enough for the preseason top 50?
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
In the current Kenpom & NCAA NET, four of the top six teams are SEC:
Wk16-AP Poll of SEC teams (8 SEC teams ranked):
#1 Auburn,
#2 Florida,
#4 Alabama,
#6 Tennessee,
#7 Texas AM
#17 Kentucky
#21 Mississippi St
#24 Mississippi
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