Yeah wasn’t happy about that either, but getting Mills from Houston to transfer in softened the blow.
Who Wins the ACC?
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Yeah wasn’t happy about that either, but getting Mills from Houston to transfer in softened the blow.
It has been nice to hear the perspectives of other fans who are heaping praise on FSU, as well as the pundits, because you can definitely convince yourself that your team is better than it is.
We can definitely lay an egg when we aren't motivated, which is basically what happened in each loss this year. I don't see that being a possibility in March/April.
Besides not being in the Gonzaga or Baylor region, we basically want to avoid teams that have a PG who is above average as far as their ability to break down the defense off the dribble. This is the biggest flaw in our team this year, although it has gotten much better. We have a lot of guys that we can put in front of them on defense to give them different looks, and our switching has gotten to be something that resembled last year, although Williams was just an eraser back there for us at the end.
It did indeed. I’m a big Caleb Mills fan. But he simply doesn’t have the length of Bryce McGowens.
Bryce was like creating a physical mold in a lab of what type of player best fits our system. But again, if he didn’t have the mental buy-in...good luck, kid.
And bringing in the long, skilled, and athletic Matthew Cleveland certainly doesn’t hurt!
He’s interesting long term but not strong enough to really make an impact next year, IMO. Obviously with kids, bodies can change quickly though.
Next year I imagine the top 10 in minutes will be (in rough order):
Anthony Polite
Balsa
Sardaar Calhoun
Caleb Mills
Rayquan Evans
Malik Osborne
Matthew Cleveland
Jalen Warley
Wyatt Wilkes
Quincy Ballard
Good lord that team is gonna be deep.
I'm impressed that Ham has got so many players to buy in, to be honest. You'd think a lot of your top recruits and/or more effective players would feel they merit 30+ minutes. It really is impressive... But yeah, you got to wonder if Bryce would be a headache to manage, similar to Trey. Maybe you dodged a bullet? Too early to say. Certainly a good looking prospect. I hate when you love a recruit's game and they end up signing elsewhere.
I think so. Two months ago I would have said 20% chance he goes. But now I think it’s like 60/40 he leaves.
He’s turned into a double double machine who can legit play point forward when needed. He’s the best defender on the team, can switch on guys 2-5, is a very good playmaker, and is showcasing improved athleticism as his body transforms. And above all that, he’s already 21 and will graduate this semester.
I’d love for him to return, but I just don’t know if his stock gets any higher than what it would be if he leads a solid tourney run.
Over who? Osborne, Wilkes, Cleveland, and Calhoun can all play our 3/4 wing slots. (We don’t really have a “power forward” anymore).
I mean, sure e could play a few minutes here and there against scrubs, but I wouldn’t expect him to play in ACC season.
It’s more that Ham just doesn’t recruit a kid who won’t do it. He tells them straight up, “don’t come here if you’re looking for 34 minutes a game. We play 12 guys and you’re gonna give us 100% when you’re on the court, and cheer for your team when you aren’t.”
Some guys like Ant Edwards decide that’s not for them. But guys like Pat Williams, Scottie Barnes, and Jon Isaac all embrace it.
Of course it helps when you send guys off the bench to the 1st round of the NBA draft in two straight years. And it will be three straight with Barnes.
I’m not familiar with your guys but athleticism translates. We’ve had to play sam williamson at the 4 bc of Malik Williams injury and hes been a double double machine though no where near as consistent as gray. He had a 20 pt 18 reb game playing pf mainly. So I wouldn’t count out any tall athletic wing to be able to play the 4. Like I feel like if MJ Walker or Barnes played for us they could have played some 4 before Malik came back and done fine, more than hold their own. Now it’s not like we are juggernauts or anything to make that any more impressive to what he’s done at FSU just making the point that if they are athletic and have a motor they could probly play both 3/4
Unless y’all have some kind of systematic difference in the way the 3 and the 4 play vs our system.
I don’t know, but he may have a unique skill set for a guy 7-1 coming out of HS. Not saying he starts. I see Cleveland as a 2 guard, but who knows.
How are they doing to decide the regular season champion? Is it win %? FSU is now one game back in the W column and has one less loss. Looks like UVA will end the year playing two more conference games.
It’s win percentage, and if tied, then head to head.
And wow, what a putrid, pathetic, immature second half performance by FSU yesterday. Just don’t have a Trent Forrest this year who can step on the throat when an opponent is on the ropes. It’s why we are an Elite 8 team but not Final Four, despite a high ceiling.
We really needed that one. I don’t think it hurts you guys as much as it helps us. I still think FSU can make a final four run, but these types of games are ones you have to learn from.
Agree that it doesn’t hurt us all that much. Probably eliminates us from 2 seed possibility, although you never know how the committee values conference tourney runs. But yeah, for y’all it likely locked up an NCAAT bid. Congrats!
My bigger issue is that it’s the 3rd time this year we’ve built a big lead and then let the other team come back and win. Our guys just don’t seem to have the killer instinct that Trent Forrest provided.
Thanks, but I don’t think that puts us in. Maybe back on the right side of the bubble but definitely can’t afford to lose at Syracuse and against Duke. Win one and I’ll feel okay. Two and I’ll feel pretty good. I guess we’ll see.
Yeah, the killer instinct thing definitely can come back to bite you in the tournament. A reason to be concerned, but FSU is a matchup that I don’t think anyone wants. The depth and size is a lot to go against.
Winning the ACC this year is like winning a tallest midget contest. I can't remember the league ever being worse, and I won't be at all surprised if nobody from the ACC makes it out of the first weekend.
I’d be a bit surprised if zero ACC teams made it to the Sweet 16. Even if it’s just by shear luck of the draw.
We'll see. Obviously when the bracket is revealed there could be teams with favorable draws, but you'll never convince me that this year's ACC is comprised of anything more than mediocre and/or flawed basketball teams.
And yet we went like 7-1 against the SEC. I’m not saying we are some great league. But despite the mediocre performance, relative to the rest of the landscape we still have some top 25 teams. And you’d expect at least one or two of those teams to win a pair of games.
For example, since the middle of January, Clemson has been the 5th best team according to Torvik.
Gonna depend a lot on matchups, as always. But who knows. I wouldn’t say Louisville is incapable of winning a game or two but we aren’t gonna fare well against strong frontcourts. I still feel like fsu is the best shot, although unc with those bigs could pose problems if given the right draw. If I was a 1 seed I’d be scared to death of unc at 8/9 and I get that unc has lost some head scratchers and aren’t great but they have 4 quality big men and a lot of teams just can’t match up and aren’t used to seeing it.
Not meaning to knock uva we just haven’t played so haven’t seen y’all a ton. Will say the obvious, box scores haven’t been pretty lately.
UVA is mediocre af this year and we're still in 2nd place. Haven't finished below 2nd in ACC since 2016-2017. The ACC is hot garbage this year.
Louisville at VT cancelled bc of contact tracing in VT program. VT has avoided FSU twice, @UVA, @UNC, and home vs. Louisville now. Talk about unbalanced.
Saddest thing is they cancel on us and they are already our only good win. Well is @ duke a good win?? That’s what I’m saying i have no clue what’s a good win you’d thing being unranked and beating the #16 VT in Louisville would be a good win, but apparently not.
This opponent gotta be ranked 30th at home but only 75th on the road, to count for a big win is trash. 75th isn’t even a tourney team. Makes no sense whatsoever.
Some league is gonna figure out how to keep all there teams in the top 75 and then half the games are quad 1.
This opponent gotta be ranked 30th at home but only 75th on the road, to count for a big win is trash. 75th isn’t even a tourney team. Makes no sense whatsoever.
Some league is gonna figure out how to keep all there teams in the top 75 and then half the games are quad 1.
Some of the UVA fans on TheSabre are pretty triggered about the unbalanced scheduled this year LOL
FSU plays the top team in the league every week in practice. How is that fair?!
So Va Tech keeps having 'covid issues' and have missed games @FSU, @UNC, @UVA, and home against Louisville and FSU and so are going to be rewarded for not playing games by getting a double bye in the tournament. Doesn't seem right.
I'm really curious why VT held their Senior Night against Wake Forest when they still had a home game left vs. Louisville. Then, the Louisville game gets cancelled. I really don't want to accuse teams of cancelling on purpose but this is very suspicious and it's not VT's first cancellation against a top team in the ACC.
Nice team names.Some of the UVA fans on TheSabre are pretty triggered about the unbalanced scheduled this year LOL
Senior Night vs. Wake Forest
The Louisville game was a makeup game so maybe that's why they did Senior Night vs. Wake but I'm suspicious
Oh the makeup game part makes sense at least.
They probly have had a million promos of their schedule with wake as senior day so I can see not wanting to play it. I forgot this was a makeup game. I get nervous when we start missing time lol.
Good to see ya back moss, good luck Saturday, I have a feeling y’all will “get right” against us but we have played much better at home than the road so who knows. Clarke on Jones should be fun. We have nothing for Huff but at least he’s not a bruiser.
They probly have had a million promos of their schedule with wake as senior day so I can see not wanting to play it. I forgot this was a makeup game. I get nervous when we start missing time lol.
Good to see ya back moss, good luck Saturday, I have a feeling y’all will “get right” against us but we have played much better at home than the road so who knows. Clarke on Jones should be fun. We have nothing for Huff but at least he’s not a bruiser.
We don't know how to exploit matchups so I'm sure it'll be 20 seconds of Clark dribbling and taking a terrible shot or turning the ball over. We have no alphas on the team. We're soft so I'm not very hopeful about the Louisville game or any postseason game. We can absolutely decimate a zone but struggle against physical man defenses, especially if they are disciplined enough to stay on shooters.
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