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What an azz beating. Where is this Baylor team ranking wise?

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Baylor has to be in the all time convo in the top 20. Bc if the zags win they were going to be


this century how do you not put this Baylor team in the top 5-6?

Kentucky 2012
Nova 2018
UNC 2005
KU 2008
Baylor 2021

??
 
Recency bias will have them higher then they are. Really well balanced team, but I don't think they are top 5 for the century. Maybe top 10. @dukedevilz could probably put together a pretty good list if you asked nicely.

IMO the 2001 Duke team is on the list ahead of Baylor, as well as 2007 UF. My homerism is telling me 2002 Maryland could beat this Baylor team, and any facts presented against this claim will be ignored.
 
Who dominated the Final four and Championship like they did? Seems like a pretty solid case to me.
 
I am here for the summer of Baylor slurp

Not much care for the all-time or all-century marks atm, we knew they were damn good. Best backcourt
in the country. Mitchell and Butler went out and slayed a beast of an opponent, regardless of what the simples believe.
 
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Recency bias will have them higher then they are. Really well balanced team, but I don't think they are top 5 for the century. Maybe top 10. @dukedevilz could probably put together a pretty good list if you asked nicely.

IMO the 2001 Duke team is on the list ahead of Baylor, as well as 2007 UF. My homerism is telling me 2002 Maryland could beat this Baylor team, and any facts presented against this claim will be ignored.

It's so subjective, though. And then you factor in things like the 3-point line being further back, a reduced shot-clock, and nowadays you can't get away with hand-checking and extended armbars like you used to. So, Idk. Here's what my top 25 teams of this century looks like. Teams that didn't win it all are bolded.


1. North Carolina, 2009
2. Florida, 2007
3. Duke, 2001
4. Kentucky, 2012
5. Villanova, 2018
6. Kansas, 2008
7. Baylor, 2021
8. Kentucky, 2015
9. Virginia, 2019
10. Louisville, 2013
11. Gonzaga, 2021
12. Duke, 2015
13. North Carolina, 2005
14. Memphis, 2008
15. Illinois, 2005

16. Maryland, 2002
17. UConn, 2004
18. Wisconsin, 2015
19. Duke, 2010
20. Villanova, 2016
21. Duke, 2002
22. Ohio State, 2011

23. North Carolina, 2017
24. Michigan State, 2000
25. Gonzaga, 2017
 
16. Maryland, 2002
17. UConn, 2004
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Seriously though complete agree with the rule changes making it almost impossible to rank earlier teams with the most recent champions.
 
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Seriously though complete agree with the rule changes making it almost impossible to rank earlier teams with the most recent champions.

In hindsight, maybe I should have ranked Maryland higher. Your 2001 team easily could have beaten us 3 times. I had '01 Duke at #3. And I'd like to think your 2002 was a little better than your 2001 team. So yeah, you guys definitely have a case for being a top 10 team.
 
In hindsight, maybe I should have ranked Maryland higher. Your 2001 team easily could have beaten us 3 times. I had '01 Duke at #3. And I'd like to think your 2002 was a little better than your 2001 team. So yeah, you guys definitely have a case for being a top 10 team.
That UCONN team with Ben Gordon and Okafor was really good too. They had what 4 or 5 1st round picks before the 1 and done era really ramped up.
 
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That UCONN team with Ben Gordon and Okafor was really good too. They had what 4 or 5 1st round picks before the 1 and done era really ramped up.

Yeah, that's true. I docked them a bit for being a 2 seed. But, they came on really strong. I think Okafor and Villanueva missed a few games where they had some Ls. Talent-wise, probably in the top 5. They're certainly deserving of top 10 consideration, too. So many good teams from the past 22 seasons. Hard to differentiate one great team from another.
 
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Top 5 in some order this century imo is 01 Duke, 08 KU, 09 UNC, 12 UK and 18 Nova. Not sure they are better than that top 5.
 
It's so subjective, though. And then you factor in things like the 3-point line being further back, a reduced shot-clock, and nowadays you can't get away with hand-checking and extended armbars like you used to. So, Idk. Here's what my top 25 teams of this century looks like. Teams that didn't win it all are bolded.


1. North Carolina, 2009
2. Florida, 2007
3. Duke, 2001
4. Kentucky, 2012
5. Villanova, 2018
6. Kansas, 2008
7. Baylor, 2021
8. Kentucky, 2015
9. Virginia, 2019
10. Louisville, 2013
11. Gonzaga, 2021
12. Duke, 2015
13. North Carolina, 2005
14. Memphis, 2008
15. Illinois, 2005

16. Maryland, 2002
17. UConn, 2004
18. Wisconsin, 2015
19. Duke, 2010
20. Villanova, 2016
21. Duke, 2002
22. Ohio State, 2011

23. North Carolina, 2017
24. Michigan State, 2000
25. Gonzaga, 2017
It is hard and that is a solid list however 08’ Kansas beat both #1 and #2 on your list. Not trying to convince you of anything but just a fact.
 
Recency bias will have them higher then they are. Really well balanced team, but I don't think they are top 5 for the century. Maybe top 10. @dukedevilz could probably put together a pretty good list if you asked nicely.

IMO the 2001 Duke team is on the list ahead of Baylor, as well as 2007 UF. My homerism is telling me 2002 Maryland could beat this Baylor team, and any facts presented against this claim will be ignored.

Maryland 02 was a monster that starting 5 was bad ass
 
I don’t think you know how time works
It works both ways in this..... that exact (younger) Kansas team beat (experienced) Florida in 07 and in 08 the same Kansas team smoked UNC (albeit one year younger but not a young team).

Those games are relevant when comparing.
 
Baylor has to be in the all time convo in the top 20. Bc if the zags win they were going to be


this century how do you not put this Baylor team in the top 5-6?

Kentucky 2012
Nova 2018
UNC 2005
KU 2008
Baylor 2021

??
The Zags were very good, but they were only in that “all time” discussion because they don’t play anybody. They would have taken their losses like anybody else if they’d have played in a real conference.

They are exceptional offensively, but they are rather pedestrian defensively. You can’t be that unbalanced and be in an “all time” discussion. I figured they’d struggle if they played an athletic and sound defensive team.

Not sure where Baylor would stand all time, but they are essentially the same team as last year but with a little more experience, and KU was the better team last year. Although ‘20 KU was Self’s best team since ‘08, I wouldn’t put them anywhere near an all-time list, and Baylor’s essentially the same team. This year’s field was just poor all around outside of Baylor and Gonzaga, and Baylor presented something Gonzaga hadn’t experienced all year due to their schedule.
Honestly....who did Gonzaga play? Overrated KU and Iowa teams, and a wildly inconsistent USC team? A team has to get challenged in order to be prepared to win it all.
 
It's so subjective, though. And then you factor in things like the 3-point line being further back, a reduced shot-clock, and nowadays you can't get away with hand-checking and extended armbars like you used to. So, Idk. Here's what my top 25 teams of this century looks like. Teams that didn't win it all are bolded.


1. North Carolina, 2009
2. Florida, 2007
3. Duke, 2001
4. Kentucky, 2012
5. Villanova, 2018
6. Kansas, 2008
7. Baylor, 2021
8. Kentucky, 2015
9. Virginia, 2019
10. Louisville, 2013
11. Gonzaga, 2021
12. Duke, 2015
13. North Carolina, 2005
14. Memphis, 2008
15. Illinois, 2005

16. Maryland, 2002
17. UConn, 2004
18. Wisconsin, 2015
19. Duke, 2010
20. Villanova, 2016
21. Duke, 2002
22. Ohio State, 2011

23. North Carolina, 2017
24. Michigan State, 2000
25. Gonzaga, 2017
So we are putting teams on this list that didn’t even win it all? ‘21 Gonzaga would get beat by a lot of teams that aren’t even on that list.
 
I am flabbergasted at any list that has the 09 Tarheels higher than the 08 Jayhawks. The 08 UNC was the exact same team as the 09 UNC team, just a year older. And 08 KU would have won in 09 except they were all in the NBA.
 
So we are putting teams on this list that didn’t even win it all? ‘21 Gonzaga would get beat by a lot of teams that aren’t even on that list.

There are only 21 national champs this century. Only left off '03 Syracuse, '06 Florida, and '11/'14 UConn. None of those teams would beat '15 Kentucky.

I'm not going to punish Gonzaga severely for one game. From early on in the title game Baylor held a huge advantage in shot attempts, 31 FGA to Gonzaga's 15 (rebounds and turnovers). Pretty much even in that stat the rest of the game. They were pressing, and were actually playing faster than they needed to. Baylor rattled them early. Are they overrated? Perhaps. But, they were a freakishly dominant team most of the season. 26 consecutive double-digit wins. And we can say strength of schedule and all that, but it's not actually a sound argument. Baylor won 11 straight games by double-digits, but only 2 of those opponents were top 100 teams, whereas 16 of the 26 for Gonzaga were top 100 teams. Yes, Gonzaga was a dominant team, in spite of a poor showing in the title game. Baylor is still the better team, however.
 
If Baylor doesn't have their COVID pause, what are the odds they finished the season undefeated? I think they probably beat Kansas the 2nd game back. Not sure about the Okie State game in the B12 tourney.
 
It is hard and that is a solid list however 08’ Kansas beat both #1 and #2 on your list. Not trying to convince you of anything but just a fact.
yep, that 3 point buzzer beater by Chambers vs Memphis to send the game into OT was epic.
 
It's so subjective, though. And then you factor in things like the 3-point line being further back, a reduced shot-clock, and nowadays you can't get away with hand-checking and extended armbars like you used to. So, Idk. Here's what my top 25 teams of this century looks like. Teams that didn't win it all are bolded.


1. North Carolina, 2009
2. Florida, 2007
3. Duke, 2001
4. Kentucky, 2012
5. Villanova, 2018
6. Kansas, 2008
7. Baylor, 2021
8. Kentucky, 2015
9. Virginia, 2019
10. Louisville, 2013
11. Gonzaga, 2021
12. Duke, 2015
13. North Carolina, 2005
14. Memphis, 2008
15. Illinois, 2005

16. Maryland, 2002
17. UConn, 2004
18. Wisconsin, 2015
19. Duke, 2010
20. Villanova, 2016
21. Duke, 2002
22. Ohio State, 2011

23. North Carolina, 2017
24. Michigan State, 2000
25. Gonzaga, 2017

Since you included runner ups.... 2019 tech who had uva all but beat? If Culver doesn’t collapse, hunter doesn’t hit a 3 to go to OT.
 
I think it's OUs year to win it all

agreed. Finally.

OU has to stay mentally right all the way through. They ball out all year then lay down in the natty games.

I’m talking back to 2003, 2004 and 2008 not just the recent playoff blunders. That’s been bc of defense which is solved now. 2000’s no excusss not to win one of those beyond 2000
 
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Since you included runner ups.... 2019 tech who had uva all but beat? If Culver doesn’t collapse, hunter doesn’t hit a 3 to go to OT.

Except, a close loss is not a win. Texas Tech also had 6 other losses to account for, in addition to Virginia. Had a really bad loss against West Virginia. Their defense was really, really good in 2019. I wouldn't complain if someone has them in their top 25, but they're not an obvious pick. As far as runner-ups being left off, I'd probably give a slight edge to '01 Arizona. It's really splitting hairs. The teams being considered are all really, really good.
 
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