Uk fans dont kick my a** for this question..

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  1. LockdownCard

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    Is cal bigger than the uk program itself?
     
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    Is K bigger than Duke?
     
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    Rightfully so imo
     
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    That's not a great example as K might be. He is responsible for nearly all of their history.
     
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    Calipari is the 5th coach to win a national title at the University of Kentucky. The 5th.
     
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    no
    Rupp is a legend and always will be
    Cal is becoming a legend
    after Rupp UK has won 4 National Championships with 4 different coaches
    that alone tells you all you need to know about how great UK is as a program

    now a question for ul fans
    is Pitino bigger than ul?
     
  8. Shawn (uk7spd)

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    Anytime you have to say "don't kick my ass" before asking a question, usually means you deserve to get your ass kicked for asking the question. This is one of those times.
     
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    UK was in the top 2-3 programs in the country, if not the top, before Cal got here. So no.

    In the case of K/Duke, he won all 4 titles and has taken them to 11 of 15 Final Fours. You could make a case that K is bigger than the program itself.
     
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    No, he just does his job very very very well.

    He has changed college basketball. He has made Kentucky THE it team every year. Even with our embarrassing NIT season, all focus, ESPN, etc was more focused on us and our recruiting class than UL winning the title. Literally.

    That should tell you something. I will miss him when he is gone.
     
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    K and Duke are the only current situation I can think of where you could make a case for the coach being bigger than the program.
     
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    Uk was not a top program as far as what happened on the court during the tubby and bcg years, but historically speaking yes. I would say duke,unc,Kansas and Florida was the top programs at the time.
     
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    Boeheim and Cuse?
     
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    Cant compare cal to coaches who been at schools more than thirty years.
     
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    I mean coaches that may be "bigger than the program"
     
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    I didn't think of Boeheim and Syracuse but you could probably make a case there too.

    In a way what you said sums it up Lockdown, though maybe not in the way you meant it. In order for the question to even be legit a coach is going to have to be at the same school for decades.
     
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    i think he's talking historically
     
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    Is Pitino bigger than
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    Only way these coaches are similar to each other is because they've been at one place so long that the players literally come to play for that particular coach and not really the school itself. Thats the reason I asked if uk fans thought cal was a bigger draw than the program.

    Lets be real, uk could never bring the amount of talent they bringing in today on their name alone. Only thing close was when tubby brung in Rondo,Crawford and Morris. I believe that was the last number one class before cal arrived.
     
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    Is there any situation where the Athletic Director is bigger than the school? I know of one that is even bigger than the CITY.
     
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    In terms of bringing in talent, I think its a combination of school and coach. Cal and UK are simply the perfect marriage, neither would be as well off without the other. That's not to say there aren't a handful of other coaches who could have similar results at UK or a handful of other schools where Cal could have similar results, but it really takes both, not one or the other.
     
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    Are you referring to Tom Jurich?
     
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    Makes sense
     
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    You basically have to be a staggering overwhelmed drunk to not win a title at UK (See Sutton, Eddie; Gillispie, BillyClyde). So, no, Cal is not bigger than the program. No matter what Cal accomplishes in Lexington, history shows that the next guy - even if he isn't as good - will probably win a title, too.
     
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    So basically a title is a given as long as you are a coach at uk?
     
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    This is so true, and VERY apparent if you live in Louisville.
     
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    Please dont turn this thread political.

    Thanks.
     
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    The historical pattern goes like this:

    Legend (Rupp - titles)
    Caretaker (Hall - title)
    Drunk (Sutton - nope)

    Legend (Pitino - title)
    Caretaker (Smith - title)
    Drunk (BILLYCLYDE - lol)

    Legend (Cal - title)
    Caretaker (???)
    Drunk (???)

    So the next guy will win a title, but the guy after him will be a raging alcoholic. Math.
     
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    Cal will be there for a while. You guys don't have to worry about a drunk running the program anytime soon.
     
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    Right now, there are three needle movers in college basketball; 1 is K, 2 is CaliparI and 3 is the tournament. No program by itself is a big deal because the sport itself just has a niche following and isn't a big deal nationally until March.

    There are no Yankees/Red Sox/Cowboys who are bigger than their stars in CBB
     
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    This is pretty fair.
     
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    no coach UK will ever have will be bigger than the program. The history of the program dictates that. I don't think I can say the same thing for a place like Duke, where the success they've had and what they're known for was largely achieved by one coach.

    If you would've asked in 1970 if Rupp was bigger than the program I think the only logical answer would've been to say he WAS the program. Since then 4 different coaches have won titles. No other program can say that.
     
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    I mean come on, this is the biggest troll thread IDK what is. First, he throws a jab right off the bat by putting UK in small case letters. Uofl fans get pissy when UK fans do that and even if some Cat fans refer to them as UL. I always put the of in it because several of their fans said it was about being respectful. I do sometimes troll in threads in a good natured way which is different than straight bait.


    We are the #1 program of all time. We have most wins, best winning %, 2nd in titles, premier facilities, largest fanbase, Coach with highest winning% of any major Rupp@82%, currently co-leaders(w Duke) of most active NBA players(18 opening day of NBA season, etc. One man isn't bigger than our program and just asking is flaming.


    Let me address some of the other troll subjects the OP might come with that are myths popular with Louisville fans.
    WWW is bad and it is abhorrent that he is allowed such access to UK players(nvm, he makes the rounds and big name coaches like K, Roy, and Calhoun also have strong relationships with him). What makes it especially hypocritical with UofL fans is he "went to school"(figuratively) at Louisville under Crum. IOW, Crum showed him how it works.

    Two incubators of Wesley's connections were the University of Miami football program and the Louisville basketball program. (NYT)
    UK is the dirtiest program in history and Cal is the worst
    1. Minnesota.....12 years on probation (would never have guessed U of M would be #1)
    2. Kansas.........10 years on probation
    3. Cincinnati........9 years on probation
    3. Memphis.........9 years on probation
    3. UNLV..............9 years on probation
    6. NC State.........8 years on probation
    6. Florida State...8 years on probation
    8. Louisville.........7 years on probation
    8. Baylor.............7 years on probation
    8. Illinois.............7 years on probation
    8. Wisconsin.......7 years on probation

    1977 N.C.A.A. report on sanctions against Hawaii that implicated Pitino in 8 of the 64 violations that led to the university being placed on two years' probation.
    The violations involving Pitino included providing round-trip air fare for a player between New York and Honolulu, arranging for student-athletes to receive used cars for season tickets, and handing out coupons to players for free food at McDonald's.
    He was also cited, along with the head coach, Bruce O'Neil, for providing misinformation to the N.C.A.A. and University of Hawaii officials.
    The N.C.A.A. committee on infractions recommended in 1977 that Pitino and O'Neil be disassociated from Hawaii athleticsPLUS: BASKETBALL -- COLLEGESPLUS: BASKETBALL -- COLLEGES; Louisville Tries To Save ProgramPublished: August 10, 1998
    he University of Louisville president, John Shumaker, and nine of his top athletic officials appealed to the National Collegiate Athletic Association yesterday not to impose the death penalty on the men's basketball program over recruiting violations.
     
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    Ok.
     
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    [​IMG] FIFY
    I almost posted the 3rd post in this thread that this thread would be like a bat signal to LockDownCard. Why some Cat fans keep setting him up then get bent out of shape when he does his thing I don't get.

    [​IMG]
     
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    8. Louisville.........7 years on probation[/B]


    This is my favorite part. UL fans keep on saying how dirty UK is but they are worse! FACTS ARE FACTS [​IMG]

    Glad to see it backed up with facts. UL fans will not be able to run their mouths anymore.


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    I see what you did here lol..took his words from the cj thread.
     
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    What does probation have to do with this thread?
    Who even mentioned probation?
     
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