Frank Martin was not amused
A Youth Football coaching LEGEND backed up the decision though so all is good
A Youth Football coaching LEGEND backed up the decision though so all is good
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Frank Martin was not amused
A Youth Football coaching LEGEND backed up the decision though so all is good
Frank Martin was not amused
A Youth Football coaching LEGEND backed up the decision though so all is good
Yep. And we didn't even fire him. He left on his own. **** the national media. Nobody here gave a shit that he was black. We gave a shit that he lost 10 games damn near every year. Unnacceptable at Kentucky.Those RACISTS! UK started being called racists when they let him go, but to date they remain the only one9s that let him go to hold that accusation. Fire up the propaganda machine!
I do not think race had anything to do with UK and Tubby parting ways. BUT........Maybe Memphis isn't getting the "racist" treatment for firing Tubby b/c they've had 4 black HEAD coaches. UK has had one. Maybe that has something to do with? Maybe?Those RACISTS! UK started being called racists when they let him go, but to date they remain the only ones that let him go to hold that accusation. Fire up the propaganda machine!
Crazy to think there are some teams out there who still have never had an African American head coach.I do not think race had anything to do with UK and Tubby parting ways. BUT........Maybe Memphis isn't getting the "racist" treatment for firing Tubby b/c they've had 4 black HEAD coaches. UK has had one. Maybe that has something to do with? Maybe?
True, but it kind of depends. I think it is more difficult with top tier programs. If you're a Kentucky, Kansas, DUKE, or North Carolina, you're hiring the best most accomplished coaches. There are only so many African American candidates who meet these criteria. Not to mention that some of those schools rarely replace coaches. I mean, KU has only had 3 coaches since the 70s. How long has K been at DUKE? Izzo at MSU? Top programs, so long as they make a good decision on the coach, can expect to hold on to that coach for a very long time.Crazy to think there are some teams out there who still have never had an African American head coach.
There were definitely some redneck UK fans totally opposed to Tubby Smith from day 1 entirely due to race. Have no problem admitting this.
I never remember anybody accusing Kentucky of racism for Tubby Smith leaving. Who said that?
There were definitely some redneck UK fans totally opposed to Tubby Smith from day 1 entirely due to race. Have no problem admitting this.
I never remember anybody accusing Kentucky of racism for Tubby Smith leaving. Who said that?
I think there is something odd about Tubby Smith never being able to hold on to a job, despite having success on the court. All he ever does is turn programs around. He must have a personality that is difficult to get along with.
The biggest head scratcher is Minnesota letting him go after a loss in the NCAA tournament. I mean...what did they expect out of him? Final Four runs? They're Minnesota. The fact that he had them competing and even getting to the NCAA tournament was an accomplishment in itself. They made a mistake letting him go. He turned TT around and personally I believe was a big part in the season they're having, as he recruited that core group of players. But he left of his own volition there. Now he's at Memphis, and they have the best season they've had in 4 or 5 years. His track record shows that seasons 3 and 4 he will have his program hitting on all cylinders, they should have been patient. They could have had something good with him. I think Calipari spoiled Memphis fans and got them to thinking their program is better than it is.
Tubby is very good at developing players and coaching them up. Where he lacks is recruiting. So I think he may be a guy who would be a poor choice(not terrible, but not great) at a top tier program, but imo he's a home run hire at a mid-range program.
I think there is something odd about Tubby Smith never being able to hold on to a job, despite having success on the court. All he ever does is turn programs around. He must have a personality that is difficult to get along with.
The biggest head scratcher is Minnesota letting him go after a loss in the NCAA tournament. I mean...what did they expect out of him? Final Four runs? They're Minnesota. The fact that he had them competing and even getting to the NCAA tournament was an accomplishment in itself. They made a mistake letting him go. He turned TT around and personally I believe was a big part in the season they're having, as he recruited that core group of players. But he left of his own volition there. Now he's at Memphis, and they have the best season they've had in 4 or 5 years. His track record shows that seasons 3 and 4 he will have his program hitting on all cylinders, they should have been patient. They could have had something good with him. I think Calipari spoiled Memphis fans and got them to thinking their program is better than it is.
Tubby is very good at developing players and coaching them up. Where he lacks is recruiting. So I think he may be a guy who would be a poor choice(not terrible, but not great) at a top tier program, but imo he's a home run hire at a mid-range program.
Legit question, as I’m not sure and far too lazy to look into it.... has penny ever coached a day in his life?Hey penny penny
You should post this on the Main Board. They have a direct line to the legend.Frank Martin was not amused
A Youth Football coaching LEGEND backed up the decision though so all is good
They are just making room for Penny Hardaway.From the Penny to Memphis thread. Post #31
"But Smith’s dismissal is more related to off-court factors than the on-court product.
Attendance at home games fell to a 48-year low this year. As a result, the athletic department could miss out on an $800,000 payment from the Memphis Grizzlies as part of the school’s lease at FedExForum.
Donations to the athletic department also fell by $1.1 million during the 2016-17 fiscal year thanks in large part to a drop in men’s basketball season ticket sales."
He has coached well in high school. His name should be able to get in some talent. Kids today were not even born when he was in his primeLegit question, as I’m not sure and far too lazy to look into it.... has penny ever coached a day in his life?
His middle school, Memphis East HS, and an AAU team Team Penny.Legit question, as I’m not sure and far too lazy to look into it.... has penny ever coached a day in his life?
Agree.Those RACISTS! UK started being called racists when they let him go, but to date they remain the only ones that let him go to hold that accusation. Fire up the propaganda machine!
As has been mentioned, he's not going to wow anybody on the recruiting trail, but he doesn't have to. He can be successful with average players. He also has a knack for finding overlooked talent and developing them into fine players. Texas Tech owes a lot of their current success to his ability to find these types of players.His effort on the recruiting trail was getting really bad here at Minnesota. His last two classes were pretty dreadful. His teams also peaked in non-conference and took nosedives in conference play.
I forgot all the reasons why they fired Mangino but I wish he was still around. Some fans seem to defend the reasoning behind it though and prefer the fact that KU is a 1-11 team without him instead of a 7-5 team with him.As has been mentioned, he's not going to wow anybody on the recruiting trail, but he doesn't have to. He can be successful with average players. He also has a knack for finding overlooked talent and developing them into fine players. Texas Tech owes a lot of their current success to his ability to find these types of players.
His teams may have peaked in non-conference play, but they were competitive. And the Big 10 was the best conference in the nation when he was there. Fast forward to this year, and you finished 4-14 in what is probably one of the worst years the Big 10 has ever had. Tubby would have done work against this year's Big 10. You would have been in the tourney for sure.
So yeah it's a head scratcher to me. Tubby wouldn't have been competing for Big 10 titles, but he would have had you winning games and being competitive and making the tourney more often than not. To me the firing of Tubby seems like if KU hired a coach who turned it around in football and was going 6-6 to 8-4 every year and we let him go because he missed a bowl game. As a KU fan, I'd kill to see us go 6-6 or 7-5 right now, and would be pissed at any AD who fired said coach. Still pissed about the Mangino firing to be honest.
As has been mentioned, he's not going to wow anybody on the recruiting trail, but he doesn't have to. He can be successful with average players. He also has a knack for finding overlooked talent and developing them into fine players. Texas Tech owes a lot of their current success to his ability to find these types of players.
His teams may have peaked in non-conference play, but they were competitive. And the Big 10 was the best conference in the nation when he was there. Fast forward to this year, and you finished 4-14 in what is probably one of the worst years the Big 10 has ever had. Tubby would have done work against this year's Big 10. You would have been in the tourney for sure.
So yeah it's a head scratcher to me. Tubby wouldn't have been competing for Big 10 titles, but he would have had you winning games and being competitive and making the tourney more often than not. To me the firing of Tubby seems like if KU hired a coach who turned it around in football and was going 6-6 to 8-4 every year and we let him go because he missed a bowl game. As a KU fan, I'd kill to see us go 6-6 or 7-5 right now, and would be pissed at any AD who fired said coach. Still pissed about the Mangino firing to be honest.
His last two recruiting classes consisted of:
Charles Buggs- Averaged 3.6 ppg over his 4 year career
Wally Ellenson- Averaged 1.9ppg and quit basketball after three years
Alex Foster- Averaged 2.6ppg between 3 schools
Alvin Ellis- Averaged 3.2ppg over 4 years at Michigan State
His recruiting was terrible even for Mid-Major standards.
As has been mentioned, he's not going to wow anybody on the recruiting trail, but he doesn't have to. He can be successful with average players. He also has a knack for finding overlooked talent and developing them into fine players. Texas Tech owes a lot of their current success to his ability to find these types of players.
His teams may have peaked in non-conference play, but they were competitive. And the Big 10 was the best conference in the nation when he was there. Fast forward to this year, and you finished 4-14 in what is probably one of the worst years the Big 10 has ever had. Tubby would have done work against this year's Big 10. You would have been in the tourney for sure.
So yeah it's a head scratcher to me. Tubby wouldn't have been competing for Big 10 titles, but he would have had you winning games and being competitive and making the tourney more often than not. To me the firing of Tubby seems like if KU hired a coach who turned it around in football and was going 6-6 to 8-4 every year and we let him go because he missed a bowl game. As a KU fan, I'd kill to see us go 6-6 or 7-5 right now, and would be pissed at any AD who fired said coach. Still pissed about the Mangino firing to be honest.
Tubby was never dirty at UK.And, I've never heard anyone mentioning that Tubby was dirty. With all that's going on in college basketball, you would think that would make him more attractive.
Tubby was never dirty at UK.
Pitino was not dirty at UK.
Gillispie was not dirty at UK.
Cal has not been dirty at UK.
UK has been screwed so bad by the NCAA that they must be above board on all things or get the god damned death penalty.
Kansas, Arizona, UCLA, UConn, UNC and Duke don't have the same worries.
You bet your sweet beppie Q.Huh?