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so no One & Done's in the final four

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someone with a better memory than I have want to list the one and dones that have won a championship:? Carmelo, Anthony Davis & team...who else is there?
 
Watch it OP. Wouldn't surprise me is DeSousa gets bad info and is gone. Has happened plenty for KU
 
someone with a better memory than I have want to list the one and dones that have won a championship:? Carmelo, Anthony Davis & team...who else is there?

2014 Duke is another

But would be more accurate to look at freshman production than whether or not the player goes pro after the season if we are doing any type of qualitative analysis.

In which case, you add Jeremy Lamb (UConn), Tyler Zeller (09 UNC), and could even add Cole Aldrich from 2008 KU, Montrezl Harrel (13 Louisville). And there are probably a few more. It's all way too subjective to be honest.
 
Plenty of others, but other than the ones you mentioned and Duke I can’t think of any other freshmen driven teams. Then again, Duke and Kentucky are kind of the only two contenders who really have freshmen driven teams
 
Actually, if entire Final 4, we are including: 08 Memphis (Derrick Rose), 07 Ohio State (Conley, Oden), 2011 Kentucky, 2015 Kentucky and probably more I can't remember
 
Actually, if entire Final 4, we are including: 08 Memphis (Derrick Rose), 07 Ohio State (Conley, Oden), 2011 Kentucky, 2015 Kentucky and probably more I can't remember
Lmao. I forgot all about them. I’ll withdraw because my memory is clearly terrible
 
2014 Duke is another

But would be more accurate to look at freshman production than whether or not the player goes pro after the season if we are doing any type of qualitative analysis.

In which case, you add Jeremy Lamb (UConn), Tyler Zeller (09 UNC), and could even add Cole Aldrich from 2008 KU, Montrezl Harrel (13 Louisville). And there are probably a few more. It's all way too subjective to be honest.

I am not exactly sure what you are saying in your last paragraph...Aldrich played two years at KU.

I do not believe there is one path to a championship, though I do think a starting 5 that is mostly OAD would need to be extreme elite talent to likely win and that is pretty unlikely. I mean there are a lot of years that the most talented/best team does not win the title so this is not a clear indictment of the OAD model...I just think having a starting 5 dominated by OAD is a difficult way to sustain success.

Selfishly I prefer the multi year player but I suppose if a few OAD brought home a championship I would like them just fine.
 
I am not exactly sure what you are saying in your last paragraph...Aldrich played two years at KU.

I do not believe there is one path to a championship, though I do think a starting 5 that is mostly OAD would need to be extreme elite talent to likely win and that is pretty unlikely. I mean there are a lot of years that the most talented/best team does not win the title so this is not a clear indictment of the OAD model...I just think having a starting 5 dominated by OAD is a difficult way to sustain success.

Selfishly I prefer the multi year player but I suppose if a few OAD brought home a championship I would like them just fine.

Aldrich was a freshman in 08. My point is, it's hard to make blanket statements about freshman. Anthony Davis != Archie Goodwin, for example, but both were one and done and talent between them was huge. So, comparing them as equal is a pretty glaring generalization.
 
Jackson and Wiggins are both pretty solid NBA players, Andrew especially. Oubre was pretty decent for a while but I'm not sure now. Not that it matters. Being good in the NBA has little to do with where you go to school. That has always been a kind of silly premise.
 
Jackson and Wiggins are both pretty solid NBA players, Andrew especially. Oubre was pretty decent for a while but I'm not sure now. Not that it matters. Being good in the NBA has little to do with where you go to school. That has always been a kind of silly premise.
All three Kansas guys are very legit----and I think at least two of the dukes guys are set to make a jump--maybe three if they can get the minutes to do it. All six are very talented guys
 
So is Wiggins, Josh Jackson and Kelly Oubre

Its tough to be good in the NBA.
All the UK players seem to be pretty good. I mean hell... even busts like Andrew Harrison started 45 games this year. Skal is solidly in an NBA rotation. Baffles me kids choose to go anywhere else...
 
All the UK players seem to be pretty good. I mean hell... even busts like Andrew Harrison started 45 games this year. Skal is solidly in an NBA rotation. Baffles me kids choose to go anywhere else...
Archie Goodwin, Doron Lamb, Aaron Harrison, James Young, Marquis Teague, Dakari Johnson, Malik Monk, Isiah Briscoe......................Meh, I think these would disagree.

Lamb: Lavrio
Goodwin: Northern Arizona Suns
Harrison: Reno Bighorns; recently signed 10-day contract with Mavs
Teague: Memphis Hustle
Young: Delaware 87ers
Briscoe: BC Kalev
Johnson: Oklahoma City Blue. Now with the Thunder. Not playing.
Monk: Back with Hornets. Sent to G-Leauge. Averaging 5ppg.

Whole lotta 5^ power in there....Not playing in the League. Or at least contributing.

Just saying Crazy....Winking

Edit: Forgot Orton.:D He's playing for someone called the SeaHorses???
 
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So is Wiggins, Josh Jackson and Kelly Oubre

Its tough to be good in the NBA.
Better check out Josh Jackson. He’s been ballin. Scored 36 the other night. He took about half a season to adjust and turn it on at KU and did the same in the NBA. But he has been playing well. He will have a solid career.
 
Archie Goodwin, Doron Lamb, Aaron Harrison, James Young, Marquis Teague, Dakari Johnson, Malik Monk, Isiah Briscoe......................Meh, I think these would disagree.

Lamb: Lavrio
Goodwin: Northern Arizona Suns
Harrison: Reno Bighorns; recently signed 10-day contract with Mavs
Teague: Memphis Hustle
Young: Delaware 87ers
Briscoe: BC Kalev
Johnson: Oklahoma City Blue. Now with the Thunder. Not playing.
Monk: Back with Hornets. Sent to G-Leauge. Averaging 5ppg.

Whole lotta 5^ power in there....Not playing in the League. Or at least contributing.

Just saying Crazy....Winking
Did you google all those players or just have it memorized?

Pretty cool either way.

I would google former IU players, but I can't remember their names.
 
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All the UK players seem to be pretty good. I mean hell... even busts like Andrew Harrison started 45 games this year. Skal is solidly in an NBA rotation. Baffles me kids choose to go anywhere else...
It always makes me laugh when people say shit like this. Do you really think one year with ANY coach is going impact how successful they are in the NBA? Those guys aren’t good because of Calipari any more than Embiid is good because of Self. Self didn’t make Embiid tall and skilled, that’s just talent. Calipari didn’t give Davis skill and 8’ arms, that’s just natural talent. One year of coaching isn’t going to do shit for their long-term NBA prospects.

You miss on some and others become great. It’s a roll of the dice sometimes. Calipari has a ton of guys like that in the NBA because he has recruited far more 1 and dones than anybody else.
 
Because you follow so closely? Winking

Can you do Duke, UNC, or IU players next?

I'm guessing you only take the time with UK.
Well I don't see Duke, UNC or IU fans in here proclaiming what Crazy did---------Do you? If and when they do, let me. I'll be happy to help.
 
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Well I don't see Duke, UNC or IU fans in here proclaiming what Crazy did---------Do you? If and when they do, let me. I'll be happy to help.
Bert is pretty entertaining on the phone isn't he?

Also, it's nice to know UK fans set you off more than other fans.

UK is #1. amirite?
 
Bert is pretty entertaining on the phone isn't he?

Also, it's nice to know UK fans set you off more than other fans.

UK is #1. amirite?
Bert is a very good dude. Enjoy talking with him.

Of course I get "into it" with UK fans more than others. I live on the Kentucky/Indiana border genius. Grew up with the IU/UK rivalry. Half my family is UK fans. Plus, you guys are easy targets. The game for some of you is life and death. But "set me off"? No, no....Its a game. I dislike Purdue 100x's more than UK. But they don't have the history. So arguing with them isn't any fun.

Its funny though, Lurker. BBN carries the personality of "Look at me.....Look at me.!!! But when people do----you bitch. You whine. You retort to things such as, "haters", rent free", etc, etc...I mean you have no issue calling out other fans bases. But when someone else does it to BBN?? Ahhh, yeah.........

We get this.

Maybe if you guys would become a little less arrogant, attention whore, whining asses, you wouldn;t get the shit you do.
 
I mean, everyone has to just ignore crazy. That should be a standard disclaimer for anyone signing up here.
 
Bert is a very good dude. Enjoy talking with him.

Of course I get "into it" with UK fans more than others. I live on the Kentucky/Indiana border genius. Grew up with the IU/UK rivalry. Half my family is UK fans. Plus, you guys are easy targets. The game for some of you is life and death. But "set me off"? No, no....Its a game. I dislike Purdue 100x's more than UK. But they don't have the history. So arguing with them isn't any fun.

Its funny though, Lurker. BBN carries the personality of "Look at me.....Look at me.!!! But when people do----you bitch. You whine. You retort to things such as, "haters", rent free", etc, etc...I mean you have no issue calling out other fans bases. But when someone else does it to BBN?? Ahhh, yeah.........

We get this.

Maybe if you guys would become a little less arrogant, attention whore, whining asses, you wouldn;t get the shit you do.
I'm glad you are interested in UK and their fans. Again, you wouldn't waste your time on any other team.

Wait, were you trying to be insulting? I can't get past the attention given.:D

If you don't mind insult UK again, but do it so it's truly insulting. Not the c/p stuff.

The great thing about IU. I don't have to try really hard to be insulting. Iwho?
 
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I'm glad you are interested in UK and their fans. Again, you wouldn't waste your time on any other team.

Wait, were you trying to be insulting? I can't get past the attention given.:D
What other team is there? Duke? Why would I be interested ? No history. No rivalry. I live nowhere near Durham. I ccannot say I honestly know one single Duke fan. UNC? Again, why would I be interested? No real history. No rivalry. Live nowhere near Chapel Hill. We've already covered the Purdue thing. Not a huge showing(on here). Plus as said, arguing with them isn't fun.

Plus, and most important, no other fan base on here cries like that of BBN. As I said, you guys scream----"Look at us.....Look at us. We are the needle....We are this....We are that. And then when folks do----------You complain.

Bunch of schitzo's...
 
What other team is there? Duke? Why would I be interested ? No history. No rivalry. I live nowhere near Durham. I ccannot say I honestly know one single Duke fan. UNC? Again, why would I be interested? No real history. No rivalry. Live nowhere near Chapel Hill. We've already covered the Purdue thing. Not a huge showing(on here). Plus as said, arguing with them isn't fun.

Plus, and most important, no other fan base on here cries like that of BBN. As I said, you guys scream----"Look at us.....Look at us. We are the needle....We are this....We are that. And then when folks do----------You complain.

Bunch of schitzo's...
What's worse? Saying things that sound like"look at us" or those that memorize it?
 
What's worse? Saying things that sound like"look at us" or those that memorize it?
Memorize what? I googled most of it. Its not hard to figure out those guys have sucked ass. Monk is an easy one.........So was Briscoe. The others, I had to look. MOF, had to look to see where they played. The names were easy. The whereabouts not so much.
 
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