So Kawhi can lead a team to a Champioship unlike LeBron

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  1. VaultHunter

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    With a team full of pretty goods.

    Sounds more Jordan like than anyone.
     
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    LOL @ Jordan’s team being full of “pretty goods”.
     
  3. Leweman

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    Last years Cavs might have swept this Warriors team.
     
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    OP is a turd but we already knew that
     
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    And a watered down NBA in the 90's.

    Jordan is the GOAT but the League was completely different back then.
     
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    Lol how would you sweep the warriors if you were already swept by Leonard’s raptors ?
     
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    Lebron wasn't hurt last year. That was this year with the Lakers.
     
  8. codsac

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    Uh yeah no chit ...And Leonard wasn t on the raptors last year

    And your Vagina hurting is not “ hurt”
     
  9. leatherhemet

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    When someone makes 6 trips to the finals and wins all 6 and is #1 all time in playoff ppg and career ppg and is the best or 2nd best all time perimeter defender on top of that, let me know.

    Oh wait...that's for page 4 of the thread..sorry..carry on...
     
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    IMO, the ‘90’s might have been the best decade in the NBA, just so happens the greatest player ever dominated everyone.

    The early ‘90’s Cavs might be the best team to never win a title.

    The knicks were a great team for much of the decade.

    The Rockets speak for themselves.

    The Sonics, Jazz and Blazers all had great teams.

    The top 50 all time player list is full of players from the ‘90’s.
     
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    Much tougher then, I agree.
     
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    Kawhi had a pretty damn good supporting cast. Some of Lebrons teams were either inadequately put together or suffering from injuries
     
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    Agree with all of that. I'm just saying due to expansion the NBA was diluted in the 90s. The Bulls had no competition until they hit the conference finals. The Warriors this year were pushed hard in the first round by the 8th seeded Clippers.
     
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    The Pistons and Lakers were a little down from what they usually were, in '91 but the Bulls went 8-1 vs. them in the ECF and the Finals.

    Regardless, MJ's effort never dropped, even when losing to the Celts/Pistons.
     
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    I did not know Labron did that...he is the greatest then. Anybody that can do that is Mount Rushmore good.
     
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    Diluted? Wtf! You are seriously looking at an NBA right now that is allowing a 3 - 4 team league because of contracts. The rest of the league is just a farm club for the top teams. The 90's was not just the Bulls! They just dominated a chunk of it because of Jordan. There were legitimate HoFers who barely sniffed a title because of how many great players there were. I hate this revisionist history BS that people feel they need to do to some how make Lebron the goat. He already is one of the best ever. You don't need to try and devalue another player or era to make your case, because then you are just devaluing your own.
     
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    The Jazz won 64 and 62 games, The Suns won 62, Seattle won 64 during the years the Bulls beat them in the finals.
     
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    How is that different from what the poster said about the Bulls not having elite competition until they reached the Finals?

    And yes, the 90s was absolutely watered down overall due to expansion and not yet including most of the best foreign players.
     
  19. leatherhemet

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    The Bulls swept..

    Rodman
    Thomas
    Dumars
    Salley
    Aguirre
    Laimbeer (34, the oldest)

    And then beat Magic, Worthy and co. in 5. They lost in 6 games vs. Detroit in '89 with Criag Hodges as MJ's #2, scoring 12 ppg. Lost to them in 7 games in '90 with Pippen scoring 16.6 ppg.

    It's hardly relevant anyway..MJ was ridiculous regardless of team outcome. He is the all time playoff ppg leader and greatest perimeter defender ever. It kills me how people gloss over him being BOTH the best offensive player AND the best (or 2nd best) perim. defensive player....that's insane to keep up that level of play on both ends of the court.
     
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    Congrats to Toronto & their fans as they earned it and just were better. Been a great 5 year run that was better than I ever expected as a Warriors fan. I would have been just fine with only winning in 2015. 5 straight finals appearances and winning 3 of the 5 and taking the 2 we lost to at least 6 games or more is cool. That wasn't even a possible thought 10 years ago.
     
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    DeMar Derozan hates everything.
     
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    Lebron led the Cavs to a title against GS without Durant.

    Beating GS without their best player (sorry Steph, but Durant is their best player) is not the same thing as beating them with him healthy and on the floor. GS is a very good team without Durant... but other very good teams can beat them. When their top 4 are healthy, GS is pretty much unbeatable.

    Last year's Cavs would have had a shot against this year's GS team with the injuries.
     
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  23. GE Nole

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    Not sure what 1989 has to do with "the 90s." And again, the Magic team was in the Finals, so...that's the same point several have already made. The 1991 Detroit team was clearly a level or two down from their '89 and '90 teams.

    Look, MJ is the best of all time. Not suggesting otherwise. But people have this false mystique about the mid-to-late 90s being the NBA's prime just because MJ was other worldly. It's just not true. The depth of talent in today's NBA faaaaaaarrrrr exceeds that of the 1993-1999 era NBA. It's not even a conversation worth debating. The league had a few elite teams at the top back then who beat up on teams at the bottom and then dueled each other, but a much smaller middle or upper-middle tier.

    In 1995, the Celtics made the playoffs with a 35-47 record. In 1994, 22% of the teams in the league finished with 25 wins or fewer (that number this year, even in an era of tanking, was 13%). In 1997, the Clippers, Suns, and Timberwolves all made the playoffs with a losing record and the Celtics, with 15 wins, didn't even have the worst record.
     
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    As a fellow Warriors fan since the Run TMC days, I completely agree. Well said.

    And as long as Klay comes back healthy (ACL tears aren't the career ender they used to be), I think the Splash Bros may have one more title run in them yet.
     
  25. jeans15

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    The majority of the greatest players ever played in the 90s....lol

    Thats why Jordan is considered the greatest.
     
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    I'm not saying that about the 90s. That is someone else. My MJ arguments have much more to do with what he did and not so much team effort. His individual effort stands on its own.

    I don't think the 90s were all that strong...but at the same time, I think you are way overstating the gap btw then and now.
     
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    Lmao..these teams suck now you have one good team and a bunch of average teams.

    An average team just won the Champuonship....lmao

    That barely would have made the playoffs in the 90s.
     
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    Precisely and what people don’t realize is that Jordan was absolutely unstoppable beyond belief as much if not more so when he was the only player on the whole damn team that could chew gum and walk. Much less dribble and shoot. Look at the guys he played w his first few years. Also if you think Pippen just walked out of Central Arkansas the player he was in 1996 you are dreaming.
     
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    I tend to agree but it's hard for me to compare eras, bc of the difference in style of play, the reduced importance on bigs etc. But to say the 90s were way below today?....lol. MJ did what he did vs. tougher defense/defensive rules IMO.
     
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    IMO, the league was completely different back then mostly because of the rules changes. NBA made them to help increase scoring.
     
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    The 1992 Dream Team would beat anyone IMO, even with the token CBB player in Laettner.
     
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    The 2014 Hawks (i just picked a yr out of the air) won 37 games and made playoffs.

    Anyway, maybe the league's better teams today are not as good and therefore the lower tier playoff teams today have better records as a result. I don't know..just throwing that out there as a possibility.
     
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    That's the one thing I lament about winning. They did it without one of the two foundational pieces (along with Lowry) that got the franchise to the point that they were even capable of making the Leonard and Gasol trades that put this team over the top.

    As much respect as I have for Danny Green as a Human Being, and as much as I'm pumped that we won a championship, the only thing that would have made it sweeter was having #10 at the SG.
     
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    LeBron took an even less talented team to the finals last year. He just ran in to a healthy GS.
     
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    The 90s were a weak era in the NBA.
     
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    Its just fun to debate
     
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    Which era is better? The 80's? When two teams dominated the decade and you better like the celtics or the Lakers?

    I don't disagree that the overall talent level is better, but that's always true of sports. Every generation gets bigger, faster, stronger in any sport.
     
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    The 80s were clearly better. Look at that talent on those Philly teams, and they only managed to win a single championship that decade.

    The league is much deeper in recent years than it was back in the 90s as well, and the talent on the top teams is at least as good if not better.
     
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    90s teams would kill in this NBA.

    Stockton and Malone woukd be unstippable.

    Basketball tracends era.

    Different type of skills are worked on based on the style of play.

    Today's players never played when it was just regular foul to get forearm in the chest by 2 guys as he goes to the paint


    They would have had to adjust.
     
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    Blazers led by Clyde wouldve been a tough out, as well
     

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