Preseason 150 Most Impactful Players in 2021-22

[dukedevilz]

I've actually adjusted this quite a bit in the last week, just based on what I've read and seen in the past month. I previously had Javonte Perkins (Saint Louis) at #29, and AJ Plitzuweit (South Dakota) at #138. They're both out for the season with injuries, so I've removed them from my top 150.


150 MOST IMPACTFUL PLAYERS
1. Drew Timme, Gonzaga
2. Kofi Cockburn, Illinois
3. Chet Holmgren, Gonzaga
4. Paolo Banchero, Duke
5. Hunter Dickinson, Michigan
6. Johnny Juzang, UCLA
7. Trayce Jackson-Davis, Indiana
8. EJ Liddell, Ohio State
9. Collin Gillespie, Villanova
10. Jaden Ivey, Purdue
11. Max Abmas, Oral Roberts
12. Julian Champagnie, St.John's
13. Scotty Pippen, Vanderbilt
14. Remy Martin, Kansas
15. Kennedy Chandler, Tennessee
16. Trevion Williams, Purdue
17. Kendric Davis, SMU
18. Javhon Quinerly, Alabama
19. Marcus Carr, Texas
20. Emoni Bates, Memphis
21. Jaime Jaquez, UCLA
22. Andre Curbelo, Illinois
23. Buddy Boeheim, Syracuse
24. Terrence Shannon, Texas Tech
25. TyTy Washington, Kentucky
26. Alex Barcello, BYU
27. David McCormack, Kansas
28. Paul Scruggs, Xavier
29. Bennedict Mathurin, Arizona
30. Keve Aluma, Virginia Tech
31. Will Richardson, Oregon
32. Matthew Mayer, Baylor
33. Oscar Tshiebwe, Kentucky
34. Eric Ayala, Maryland
35. Grant Sherfield, Nevada
36. Tyson Etienne, Wichita State
37. Colin Castleton, Florida
38. Armando Bacot, North Carolina
39. Jalen Duren, Memphis
40. James Akinjo, Baylor
41. Caleb Houstan, Michigan
42. Tre Mitchell, Texas
43. Patrick Baldwin, Milwaukee
44. Andrew Nembhard, Gonzaga
45. Jabari Smith, Auburn
46. Jermaine Samuels, Villanova
47. Ochai Agbaji, Kansas
48. Isaiah Wong, Miami
49. Azuolas Tubelis, Arizona
50. Iverson Molinar, Mississippi State
51. Kellan Grady, Kentucky
52. Nate Watson, Providence
53. David Roddy, Colorado State
54. Quincy Guerrier, Oregon
55. Marcus Sasser, Houston
56. Jared Rhoden, Seton Hall
57. Ron Harper, Rutgers
58. Michael Devoe, Georgia Tech
59. Matt Bradley, San Diego State
60. Dawson Garcia, North Carolina
61. Kenneth Lofton, Louisiana Tech
62. Justin Moore, Villanova
63. Kadary Richmond, Seton Hall
64. Antoine Davis, Detroit
65. Caleb Mills, Florida State
66. Kyle Lofton, Saint Bonaventure
67. Isaiah Mobley, USC
68. Tyger Campbell, UCLA
69. Taz Sherman, West Virginia
70. Taevion Kinsey, Marshall
71. Jayden Gardner, Virginia
72. Osun Osunniyi, Saint Bonaventure
73. Isiaih Mosley, Missouri State
74. Mark Williams, Duke
75. Max Christie, Michigan State
76. Davonte Davis, Arkansas
77. Adam Flagler, Baylor
78. Hyungjung Lee, Davidson
79. Jaden Shackelford, Alabama
80. Anthony Polite, Florida State
81. Walker Kessler, Auburn
82. Avery Anderson, Oklahoma State
83. Zach Freemantle, Xavier
84. Johni Broome, Morehead State
85. Posh Alexander, St.John's
86. Ryan Davis, Vermont
87. Zach Edey, Purdue
88. Darius Days, LSU
89. Jae'lyn Withers, Louisville
90. Marcus Bagley, Arizona State
91. Mike Miles, TCU
92. Kyler Edwards, Houston
93. Isaiah Stevens, Colorado State
94. Prentiss Hubb, Notre Dame
95. Gaige Primm, Missouri State
96. Jabari Walker, Colorado
97. Noah Williams, Washington State
98. Jacob Gilyard, Richmond
99. Justin Powell, Tennessee
100. Keegan Murray, Iowa
101. Jeenathan Williams, Buffalo
102. DeVante' Jones, Michigan
103. RJ Cole, UConn
104. Grayson Murphy, Belmont
105. Xavier Johnson, Indiana
106. Justice Sueing, Ohio State
107. Jalen Wilson, Kansas
108. JD Davison, Alabama
109. Landers Nolley, Memphis
110. Baylor Scheierman, South Dakota State
111. Nijel Pack, Kansas State
112. Warith Alatishe, Oregon State
113. Bryce Hamilton, UNLV
114. Chuck Harris, Butler
115. AJ Green, Northern Iowa
116. Roman Penn, Drake
117. Nate Lasewski, Notre Dame
118. Teddy Allen, New Mexico State
119. Manny Bates, NC State
120. Garrison Brooks, Mississippi State
121. Andrew Jones, Texas
122. Wendell Moore, Duke
123. Tanner Groves, Oklahoma
124. Jordan Bohannon, Iowa
125. Kevin McCullar, Texas Tech
126. Sahvir Wheeler, Kentucky
127. Ryan Kalkbrenner, Creighton
128. Jamaree Bouyea, San Francisco
129. Gabe Brown, Michigan State
130. Peyton Watson, UCLA
131. Grant Basile, Wright State
132. Caleb Love, North Carolina
133. Keith Williams, Western Kentucky
134. Bryce McGowens, Nebraska
135. Reece Beekman, Virginia
136. Marreon Jackson, Arizona State
137. Kalib Boone, Oklahoma State
138. Vince Williams, VCU
140. Efe Abogidi, Washington State
141. Samuell Williamson, Louisville
142. Tyrese Martin, UConn
143. Kendall Brown, Baylor
144. Aminu Mohammed, Georgetown
145. Au'Diese Toney, Arkansas
146. Toumani Camara, Dayton
147. Blake Francis, Richmond
148. Emanuel Miller, TCU
149. Harrison Ingram, Stanford
150. Ryan Nembhard, Creighton


First Misses:
ACC- Kihei Clark, Virginia
Big East- Justin Lewis, Marquette
Big 12- Dylan Disu, Texas
Big Ten- Pete Nance, Northwestern
Pac 12- Myles Johnson, UCLA
SEC- Josiah-Jordan James, Tennessee
Non P6 Conf- Nick Muszynski, Belmont

 

[FaithPlusOne]

My avatar hopes that you’re really wrong on some of this.

But as always, thank you for putting in the work and sharing.

 

[dukedevilz]

My avatar hopes that you’re really wrong on some of this.

But as always, thank you for putting in the work and sharing.

If you break it down by the ACC, it may not seem so bad. You'd have a 1st and 2nd Teamer. And one more guy who's just on the cusp of making an all-conference team.

1st Team
4. Paolo Banchero, Duke
23. Buddy Boeheim, Syracuse
30. Keve Aluma, Virginia Tech
38. Armando Bacot, North Carolina
48. Isaiah Wong, Miami

2nd Team
58. Michael Devoe, Georgia Tech
60. Dawson Garcia, North Carolina
65. Caleb Mills, Florida State
71. Jayden Gardner, Virginia
74. Mark Williams, Duke

3rd Team
80. Anthony Polite, Florida State
89. Jae'lyn Withers, Louisville
94. Prentiss Hubb, Notre Dame
117. Nate Lasewski, Notre Dame
119. Manny Bates, NC State

Just Missed
122. Wendell Moore, Duke
132. Caleb Love, North Carolina
135. Reece Beekman, Virginia
141. Samuell Williamson, Louisville

 

[boilerzz]

If you break it down by the ACC, it may not seem so bad. You'd have a 1st and 2nd Teamer. And one more guy who's just on the cusp of making an all-conference team.

1st Team
4. Paolo Banchero, Duke
23. Buddy Boeheim, Syracuse
30. Keve Aluma, Virginia Tech
38. Armando Bacot, North Carolina
48. Isaiah Wong, Miami

2nd Team
58. Michael Devoe, Georgia Tech
60. Dawson Garcia, North Carolina
65. Caleb Mills, Florida State
71. Jayden Gardner, Virginia
74. Mark Williams, Duke

3rd Team
80. Anthony Polite, Florida State
89. Jae'lyn Withers, Louisville
94. Prentiss Hubb, Notre Dame
117. Nate Lasewski, Notre Dame
119. Manny Bates, NC State

Just Missed
122. Wendell Moore, Duke
132. Caleb Love, North Carolina
135. Reece Beekman, Virginia
141. Samuell Williamson, Louisville

Breaking down the B1G the same way:

1st Team
2. Kofi Cockburn, Illinois
5. Hunter Dickinson, Michigan
7. Trayce Jackson-Davis, Indiana
8. EJ Liddell, Ohio State
10. Jaden Ivey, Purdue

2nd Team
16. Trevion Williams, Purdue
22. Andre Curbelo, Illinois
34. Eric Ayala, Maryland
41. Caleb Houstan, Michigan
57. Ron Harper, Rutgers

3rd Team
75. Max Christie, Michigan State
87. Zach Edey, Purdue
100. Keegan Murray, Iowa
102. DeVante' Jones, Michigan
105. Xavier Johnson, Indiana

Just Missed
106. Justice Sueing, Ohio State
124. Jordan Bohannon, Iowa
129. Gabe Brown, Michigan State

That's Illinois, Purdue and Michigan with 8 of the top 14 players. Interesting.

 

[dukedevilz]

That's Illinois, Purdue and Michigan with 8 of the top 14 players. Interesting.

Nothing too crazy. Last year, Michigan, Illinois, and Iowa had 7 of the top 10 guys on the 1st and 2nd Teams (coaches poll).

But yeah, I feel like those three schools have separated themselves from the rest of the pack.

 

[JimboBBN]

I would love to see some predictions on the order of finish. If I can't get top 3 with the first pick, fml

 

[dukedevilz]

I would love to see some predictions on the order of finish. If I can't get top 3 with the first pick, fml

Sometime in the next week I'll include composite rankings of all the players drafted (there's at least 7 top 100 lists). That should give us some sense of at least who has an advantage - or perhaps a higher ceiling.

 

[lurkeraspect84]

SEC

13. Scotty Pippen, Vanderbilt
15. Kennedy Chandler, Tennessee
18. Javhon Quinerly, Alabama
25. TyTy Washington, Kentucky
33. Oscar Tshiebwe, Kentucky
37. Colin Castleton, Florida
45. Jabari Smith, Auburn
50. Iverson Molinar, Mississippi State
51. Kellan Grady, Kentucky
76. Davonte Davis, Arkansas

79. Jaden Shackelford, Alabama
81. Walker Kessler, Auburn
88. Darius Days, LSU
99. Justin Powell, Tennessee
108. JD Davison, Alabama
120. Garrison Brooks, Mississippi State
126. Sahvir Wheeler, Kentucky
145. Au'Diese Toney, Arkansas

Missed.

SEC- Josiah-Jordan James, Tennessee

 

[WestTexasRaider]

I have a feeling Kevin Obanor will be our best player. What is your thoughts on him? He was pretty good last year for Oral Roberts and had a hell of a tournament.

 

[BasketBallJunkie-UK]

I hate to mention this @della, Fulkerson should be on that list.

 

[Original_Irish]

I think Strawther is gonna be a bucket for Gonzaga this year but no complaints. 2 top 5 and another ranked 45 works for me.

 

[Villian07]

Selling ur boy mark williams short imho.

granted last time i saw him he went 20/20 on us and ended our season so…..

Also hope ur right that williamson warrants being on the list, we need him to take a step up beyond being a hustle/rebound guy this year. Hopefully him and withers both explode this year knowing we actually have some depth at the 5 this year beyond Malik and they wont be asked to play out of position every game.

Good list though.

 

[lurkeraspect84]

Selling ur boy mark williams short imho.

granted last time i saw him he went 20/20 on us and ended our season so…..

Yeah, but that was against UL.

Seriously, if he's anything like the ACCT, we're in for a long night next week.

 

[Villian07]

I hate to mention this @della, Fulkerson should be on that list.

I obv dont dollow ut too closely but love to gamble and i feel like fulk took a step back last season. I thought he played a helluva lot better the season before for whatever reason, might have been fc talent around him idk.

 

[lurkeraspect84]

I obv dont dollow ut too closely but love to gamble and i feel like fulk took a step back last season. I thought he played a helluva lot better the season before for whatever reason, might have been fc talent around him idk.

IDK, or you just watched his games against UK. His games 2 season ago were much better than last.

 

[Villian07]

Yeah, but that was against UL.

Seriously, if he's anything like the ACCT, we're in for a long night next week.

We mighta lost to duke but we still beat Kentucky!!! Ahhhh kentucky sucked, on court play spoke for itself.

Am i doing that right? Even tho i know yall agree lol.

just joking from the other thread derail.

 

[Villian07]

IDK, or you just watched his games against UK. His games 2 season ago were much better than last.

Yea i thought thats what i said, i thought he took a big step back last year as opposed to the year before.

And na i dont usually watch much UK unless i have money on them or is a matchup like duke/kansas/unc/etc obv louisville as well. I dont watch too many sec league games period. Check the box scores read recaps and stuff. Read the gambling trends.

I really like to find 5-6 terrible teams and just bet against them every damn game. Im talking bottom of the barrel mid major terrible.

 

[lurkeraspect84]

We mighta lost to duke but we still beat Kentucky!!! Ahhhh kentucky sucked, on court play spoke for itself.

Am i doing that right? Even tho i know yall agree lol.

just joking from the other thread derail.

Are you good?

 

[Villian07]

So dukedevils if u wanna go ahead an lemme know who gonna be the 10 worst d1 teams this year id be much obliged.

 

[Villian07]

Are you good?

Yea im done with the other thread.

Fun for a while but everything gets tired eventually.

Just thought it was ironic its almost a complete reversal in basketball last season, not that we were very good either, but all yall have admitted yall sucked, just like i admitted we suck in football yet the responses were still all the same, louisville sucks. And somehow agreeing with me makes some point somehow 😂.

 

[lurkeraspect84]

Yea im done with the other thread.

Fun for a while but everything gets tired eventually.

Just thought it was ironic its almost a complete reversal in basketball last season, not that we were very good either, but all yall have admitted yall sucked, just like i admitted we suck in football to the yet the responses were still all the same, louisville sucks.

To be fair, you all have been for a while in both sports.

 

[Ipartiedwithhopgood]

Now rank mascots.

#1 Big Red WKU

 

[Villian07]

mehhh we werent terrible the covid year in basketball, couldve won a game or two in the tourney maybe, in my biased opinion. But yea still not disagreeing. Not quite seeing the relevancy but whatever.

Silly argument that started with the silly thought that uk had any kind of shot at the playoffs. im good 😉

 

[lurkeraspect84]

Now rank mascots.

#1 Big Red WKU

/thread

 

[lurkeraspect84]

@dukedevilz has to have the most hijacked threads on here.

 

[Villian07]

Dead on about mark williams though. I literally didnt even remember him from our first game bc Hurt went bananas and he hadnt really emerged.

Id hate to think about what he looks like this year, if he can make a similair frosh-soph jump as alot of big men do.

 

[Villian07]

Bringin it back around my bad DD

 

[Villian07]

Reece Beekman might be my favorite name of the year sans coffee cock burn

 

[Villian07]

No frazier or brooks? How the F we supposed to settle the argument of the offseason???

right back off the rails 🤣

 

[dukedevilz]

I have a feeling Kevin Obanor will be our best player. What is your thoughts on him? He was pretty good last year for Oral Roberts and had a hell of a tournament.

His shooting splits are off the charts. I just haven't seen enough of him to make a proper evaluation. It's always an adjustment when you transfer up. I think there's a good chance he's more valuable than Kevin McCullar. I feel like Shannon is a borderline All-American. So, if Obanor is anywhere near Shannon's level, you all should have a great season.

I hate to mention this @della, Fulkerson should be on that list.

If he plays like he did in 2020, then yes, he should absolutely be in the top 150. He just regressed a little too much for my liking last season. Also, I really like Justin Powell. With Chandler, Bailey, and Powell in the backcourt, I don't expect Fulkerson's usage will go up.

I think Strawther is gonna be a bucket for Gonzaga this year but no complaints. 2 top 5 and another ranked 45 works for me.

Strawther just might blow up. He looked amazing in that scrimmage. I could see him being a first round pick in a year or two. Guess I have a hard time untangling who the next most valuable Zag will be - Strawther, Bolton, and Sallis all seem like good candidates.

Selling ur boy mark williams short imho.

granted last time i saw him he went 20/20 on us and ended our season so…..

Also hope ur right that williamson warrants being on the list, we need him to take a step up beyond being a hustle/rebound guy this year. Hopefully him and withers both explode this year knowing we actually have some depth at the 5 this year beyond Malik and they wont be asked to play out of position every game.

Good list though.

Didn't Williamson have a reputation as a shooter in high school? I swear I saw him win a three-point contest somewhere. Perplexing, to be honest. Not sure who the #1 and #2 options will be, but I think you guys will be one of those tough-minded teams that's tough to score on. I think you guys make it back to the NCAAs.

Not really sure who the #2 guy for Duke will be. That's part of my hesitation. Williams has 1st Team All-ACC potential, no question. From the preseason, however, I want to say the second most valuable player has either been Wendell Moore or Trevor Keels. I think Williams is a solid candidate for ACC Defensive POY. With all the attention Paolo merits, Williams will get his fair share of open looks. His ceiling could be a top 30 player. But, his floor could be much lower than 74.

 

[dukedevilz]

So dukedevils if u wanna go ahead an lemme know who gonna be the 10 worst d1 teams this year id be much obliged.

100% chance you'll have multiple SWAC and MEAC teams. Those schools are bloody awful. In KenPom history (20 years!), the SWAC and MEAC have had a combined 4 schools in the top 150.

No frazier or brooks? How the F we supposed to settle the argument of the offseason???

right back off the rails 🤣

Haha. Yeah, I should have put one of them in there. They both have legitimate arguments to be in the top 150. Brooks has proven to be a more efficient offensive player. But, I might actually give Frazier the nod because he's one of the best defenders in college basketball.

 

[Villian07]

Im not saying ur wrong, but i dont think williamson had the rep of being a dead eye long range shooter in hs but i could be wrong.. i know coming in many pumped up his mid range and pull up jumper but not so much his outside shot iirc.

 

[WojoRising]

Here’s Williamson’s scouting report from Evan Daniels -

“A long, lean wing prospect with good size for the position at 6-foot-6. A good all-around athlete that will be able to guard threes and twos at the next level. His shot mechanics are good and he's a good shooter off the catch, particularly from mid-range. From deep he's inconsistent, but we project that he'll be good shooter from distance in time. Is a good rebounder for a perimeter player. Areas for improvement include strength, consistency from long-range and ball handling. There's a lot of upside here and could see him developing into a NBA player after college.”

I love reading these from previous years.

 

[Villian07]

^^^^ pretty spot on to this day. Good rebounder, good mid range, inconsistent from 3. Guess ill hope he develops that long ball too.

 

[dukedevilz]

See! I knew I wasn't crazy. Williamson won this 3-point contest. And the announcers were raving about how he was one of the best 3-point shooters in the class.

He clearly has the tools to play in the NBA. But yes, as you both mentioned, he needs to be much more consistent from deep.

 

[Ipartiedwithhopgood]

Williamson is a real good rebounder he was very up and down first year got a lot better last year, could make jump this year. The issues I see up to this point in his career is he struggles with contact and in traffic, forces turnovers in those situations or misfires by being forced into taking tough shots, and doesn't get to the FT line. If he adds a little bit of muscle/strength he might be able to get better with all that. His career path is kind of aligned with what a college player would be back in the day. Struggle, get better, maybe turn the corner as Jr/Sr. Louisville is real fortunate the kid stuck with the program.

 

[RR30]

Good stuff as always. Should do a risers/fallers from last year's ranking.

 

[Villian07]

God id hate to reread VJ kings or even shaquaan aarons hs write up woof

 

[della]

I hate to mention this @della, Fulkerson should be on that list.

Fulk will always have a place in my heart for the time he went off on UK, but truth be told he is not a very good rebounder, so he probably doesn't belong on that list.

 

[Villian07]

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See! I knew I wasn't crazy. Williamson won this 3-point contest. And the announcers were raving about how he was one of the best 3-point shooters in the class.

He clearly has the tools to play in the NBA. But yes, as you both mentioned, he needs to be much more consistent from deep.

Dang nice find. I was totally unaware of that. Im not so sure the only thing holding him back might be between his ears bc he has the physical tools.

Not to say hes been a bust or bad player by any means. Honestly for the ones that arent surefire lotto studs, being named to the mcdaa team is sometimes the worst thing to happen to a kid bc then hes never viewed in the same light with the same expectations as lower ranked recruits. Imo obv its a great honor too.