POLL: Most Important Historical Event(s)

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Poll: What are the THREE most importsnt historical events

  1. Invention of An Alphabet

    25 vote(s)
    32.1%
  2. Birth and Teachings of Christ

    37 vote(s)
    47.4%
  3. Fall of Rome

    1 vote(s)
    1.3%
  4. Birth and Teachings of Muhammed

    3 vote(s)
    3.8%
  5. Mongol Conquest

    1 vote(s)
    1.3%
  6. Printing Press, Reformation & Renaissance

    29 vote(s)
    37.2%
  7. European Expansion to the World

    11 vote(s)
    14.1%
  8. Industrial Revolution & Computer Revolution

    35 vote(s)
    44.9%
  9. The Rise of Republics (American French & Progeny)

    7 vote(s)
    9.0%
  10. Other

    9 vote(s)
    11.5%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. sgacock

    sgacock Well-Known Member
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    I am a Christian and nothing is more important to me on a personal, spiritual level than Christ. However, I did not choose that as one off my three choices because I consider this a secular matter, not a spiritual one.

    Of course, one could argue from a secular point of view that the Judeo/Christian religion (being based on a writing) preserved knowledge through the dark ages, advanced many levels of scholasticism through people like Augustine of Hippo, provided law and order through about 1000 years from the Falll of Rome til the Renaissance, provided cohesiveness for Europe, etc, etc, etc.

    With that said, many of those same arguments could be put forth as justification for voting for the birth and teachings of Muhammed - who has ZERO votes.
     
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    This author makes a great point. I emphatically agree. However, he sure gave Tojo one hell of a pass. 3.9 million? Try between 15 and 20 million.
     
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    Nope, my information is what is on record. Galileo was punished by the church and placed under house arrest permanently for not falling in-line with the churches scientists/Pope. I'm not sure what you think I'm misinformed about.

    I'm curious, in what world do you think the Pope giving guidance for scientific matters is a "good thing"? The very fact he had to petition the church to even consider it was simply flawed. The fact that it didn't align with current doctrinal belief is what ultimately doomed him. The church in that era didn't move quickly and certainly didn't allow for dissent.
     
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    I know Galileo had his problems with the church. But look at the bright side. How would he have fared had he been in an Islamic nation?
     
  5. leatherhemet

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    I posted adequate information you need to find the truth. It is much more nuanced than most know. Simply google 'Galileo myth'.

     
  6. texaggie95

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    Probably not well. After 400 years of invasions, I imagine Italians weren't very popular in that part of the world. :) His ideas though wouldn't have caused the same ripples that they caused in the West, since there is/was still no centralized church authority.
     
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    Galileo strongly disagreed.
     
  8. Tidaltown

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    Ebb and flow. All Islamic nations were once Christian, Hindu or Zoroastrian until converted by the sword of Muslim invaders. They had to expect payback sooner or later. But wasn't there a fairly strong Sunni caliphate during G's time?
     
  9. Cavgator

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    Cannot like this post enough...
     
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    Then he'd have done well, had he lived long enough, to discover which culture and which religion flourished in the sciences and arts in the late Middle Ages, and which culture and religion remained backwards.
     
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    Someone beat me to it. I wish I'd have posted this.
     
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    Agreed. I would amend "Christ's birth and teachings" with "Christ's Resurrection." Without the Ressurection (witnessed by thousands) and Ascension (witnessed by several hundred), nothing else would have mattered, as Christ would have simply been another teacher of many, virtually all of whom have been forgotten.

    Western Civilization was created from the foundation Christ laid down for the world...
     
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    "Christ" is a loaded term. It's kind of hypocritical to think that the Nazarene's importance would be that great, but not acknowledge the significance of Mohammed. Believe me, I'm no fan of Islam, but the impact his teachings have on current society is obviously huge, from just a numbers perspective (though that impact ain't all good, to say the least).
     
  14. Cavgator

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    Not in the least. What it did was stultify secular thought throughout the so-called "Enlightenment."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_science_in_the_Middle_Ages
     
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    Without a Higher Authority to answer to besides themselves, what stops Man from attempting to become God himself?
     
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    Not saying Christianity of pre-Enlightenment era didn't need to be criticized; it did. But a purely materialistic understanding of human existence, which today's atheists advocate for, will lead to an unfulfilling life, IMO.
     
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    Galileo was a devout Catholic to his last dying breath. He strongly differed with Rome regarding heliocentrism, but he was never an apostate...
     
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    Just curious what you, as an historian, would consider the 5 to 10 most important "events" in history. This list was kinda tough to make and it looks like three choices were complete fails (though I consider the fall of Rome to have been extremely important)
     
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    Don't think I ever said anything like that. He was most definitely punished by the church, placed under house arrest, and told to stop his pursuit of heliocentrism by the church because it didn't align with what the church was teaching. I'll have to review the "myths" stuff at home later, but i didn't think any of that information was in dispute.
     
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  20. leatherhemet

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    You need to give your brain a rest. Pace yourself sir. :D
     
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    I will take this back even further, though this may not meet the criteria of this question. And it's kind of not fair since it creates everything after it.

    But, the advent of cooking, and in particular, cooking starchy foods allowed our brains to grow larger and thereby expand our abilities as a species. With out the higher glucose levels we received from this food, we would not be what we are. And cooking is what allowed us to be able to eat these foods at a higher rate.

    So, yeah, not exactly an EVENT per se, but this is a historically important point in our evolution as a species.
     
  22. leatherhemet

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    You mean the Blob?
     
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    Invention of glass (Egypt 3100 BCE)
    Invention of paper (China 25 CE)
    Invention of concrete (Rome 600 BCE)
    Invention of gunpowder (China 850 CE)
    Invention of wheel (Mesopotamia 3500 BCE)
    Invention of computers (Britain mid-1800's)
    Invention of telecommunications (USA 1870's)
    Invention of penicillin (Scotland 1928)
     
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    Off the top of my head, in no order after #1 & 2

    1. The Ressurection

    2. Nirvana under the Bo tree

    3. Pasteur - turned medicine into a science

    4. Galileo - father of modern science.

    5. Socrates - father of modern thought

    5. Mohammed leaving the cave

    5. Fleming - antibiotics
     
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    I'm not sure if it is from God's perspective, but from the perspective of mankind, the resurrection of Jesus Christ is the single greatest event in all eternity.
     
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    +1

    God, forgive me for my 'sundress greatest invention' post.
     
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    Magna Carta.

    US Constitution.
     
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    I think the sundress rates pretty high, along with the halter top and miniskirt.

    Showing my age :D.
     
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    I like it Lol!
     
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    Followed by the razor.... for obvious reasons....
     
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    Been some interesting posts. I'll also go with the A-Bomb and the advances in such since.

    Seems as a race, humans like war but we have seen that destructive capabilities can end life on this planet.
     
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    The Razorection!
     
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    Nice!!!
     
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    The invention of Leggings has to be up there. Just saying.
     
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    I have always been fascinated by the fact that oil, steel and autos all came about at roughly the same time fram in the US..about 35 years apart. Oil was discovered in 1859, steel around 1856 and the first autos were made around 1893.
     
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    Interesting list. I venture there's no definitive right or wrong list, though some individual events can be eliminated by most. Here's my list:

    1. Domestication of crops/livestock. Everything starts with this for obvious reasons. Also of interest, from "Guns, Germs, and Steel" is the added benefit of the development of natural defenses to diseases passed from domesticated animals to man. Consider how the lack of animal domestication, and the resulting lack of immunity that results from the absence of that domestication, obliterated the people of the New World and Africa. The book "Demon in the Freezer," detailing the history of smallpox, lists that disease as history's all time most prolific killer of man, and it is a disease that passed from animals to humans.

    2. Resurrection of Christ. The foundation of Western Civilization.

    3. The Hegira. Mohammad's religion survives to grow and later conquer. There's no denying its effect on the world, though in my egocentricity and provincialism I see it as the greatest force of evil in the world; the yin to Christianity's yang.

    4. The printing press for obvious reasons.

    5. The Industrial Revolution

    5. The Technological/Information/Artificial Intelligence Revolution

    5. Antibiotics

    5. The Return of Paul "Bear" Bryant to Alabama. Were it not for the sacrilege, this would be #2. In Alabama, we're told Coach Bryant once complained to a Birmingham cemetery owner that he was charging too much for a grave site the coach was considering buying. When assured by the owner that his prices were fair, Bryant replied "Not when you consider I'll only be needing it for three days." Admittedly, that story is likely apocryphal, but this one is not: When Bryant was shepherding a group of reporters around his childhood home in Moro Bottom, Arkansas in the 60s, one of the reporters expressed surprise upon seeing Bryant's plain, wooden country home with a large front porch. "I've been telling my readers you were born in a log cabin," he said to Bryant. "Nah," replied Bryant, "that was Abraham Lincoln. I was born in a manger."
     
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    And all you people best remember that the next time you joke about Clemson Farmers. We feed yer azzes.

    On a more serious note, I would put, not the fall of Rome, but the spread of the Roman Empire. It was responsible for distributing the Greek traditions of thought and analysis. It formed much of the basis of our laws. It actually facilitated the spread of Christianity. And countless other contributions which were made possible by The Pax Romana.

    But other than that, what else have the Roman's ever done for us??
     
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    At first we didn't want y'all to fire him, then we were glad you did.
     
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    In order of importance (to me):
    Invention of an alphabet/Arabic numerals (I would combine)
    Moving type printing press (rennaisances happen and will continue to this day)
    Mongol Invasion (actually brought technology throughout Asia, Eastern Europe, and Northern Africa and caused the events that led to the Moores and the renaissance, while negatively, they destroyed most of Alexander's libraries, which caused a loss of knowledge before Egyptian influence, i.e. Jerricho and Messopotamian knowledge and what exactly happened to them)
     
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    The internet.
     

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