Phil Steele Makes His Picks

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  1. CarolinaDawg1940

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    Man I'm sorry we sent little bakey mayfield home with a sore ass. Maybe if riley could hire a DC and play a little defense yall wouldnt have to ride Texas coattails in trash talking the SEC. Lol
     
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    Iowa has a top 10 defense and defense wins championships, last season the Iowa defense was 6th in total defense, 7th in rushing defense, 15th in Passing defense and T-11th in scoring defense.

    this years team defense looks to better than last year.

    the Offense is led by a 3rd starting QB, the OL is anchored by these
    LT RSJR Jackson a projected 1st Round NFL Pick
    RT JR Wirfs a projected 1st Round NFL Pick
    they return their leading rusher who was a JUCO 1st Team AA
    the return their top 2 WR's
    as for the OL the interior could have a pair of RSSR's guards and a RSJR Center,

    remember the interior was manned by these
    LG 1st year starter SR 3* Reynolds
    C 1st year starter at that spot in SR 3* Render
    RG 1st year starter in RSSR Walk on Ferguson
    with Jackson and Wirfs being RSSO and a SO.

    that team went 9-4 beat Missippippi State and finished #25

    in comparision to that 2015 team these were the starting LB.rs
    2* OLB SO Nieman
    2* MLB RSSO Jewell
    walk on RSSR Fischer
    a 1st year starter at QB
    in fact the top 22 was made up of
    2 4* players
    11 3* players
    5 2* players
    4 walk on's

    this years team makeup looks like this
    3rd year starting QB in Stanley
    a 1st team JUCO AA in Sargeant
    WR Brandon Smith T-2nd leading WR
    WR Smith Marrsette T-2nd leading WR
    LT 3* Jackson projected 1st round pick in the NFL Draft
    LG 4* RSSR Landon Paulson [by Scout]
    C 3* RSJR Banwart
    RG 4* RSSR Levi Paulson
    RT 4* US Army AA Wirfs

    on defense
    DE 5* US Army AA JR Epenesa projected as high as the 3rd pick in the 2020 NFL Draft
    DE 3* JR Gohlston
    DT 3* RSSR Reiff
    DT 3* SR Lattimore started as a SO,
    6 of the top 7 LB'rs return
    6 of the top DB's 8 return
    they return 9 players of their top 22 ondefense that all started,

    this is the most experienced and deepest team since the 2004 team the difference between that team that won a share of the BT Championship was a 1st year starting QB in 4* Tate from Texas as a RSSO.
     
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    We have the pieces to have a very good team. We do not have the pieces to beat Clemson or Alabama and we certainly dont have the pieces to beat them back to back.
     
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    Did the other big teams stay static and only Iowa got better? I know you don’t want to hear it but it is very possible the other boys in the Big got more talented and deeper at the same time. Just a thought.
     
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    people said Iowa could never beat OSU and yet they beat them 55-24
    in the bowl game against Missippippi State very very few gave Iowa chance of beating them and yet the won

    in 2009 they were the underdog to the ACC Champion GT and yet they won, that that team also had the remains of that #11 class and DE Clayborne another NFL Draft pick.
    this years team is more talented than either of these
    2002 11-2 #8 ranking
    2009 11-2 #7 ranking
    2015 12-2 #9 ranking,
    '
    you sound like a clone fan.
     
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    Well...2019 started off with 'Chips for old hats the Pats & a 2nd recent one for Dabo. Since then we've gotten new blood in the NCAA hoops title game & a first time champ in the Charlottesville Cavs, a first time Lord Stanley's Cup holder in the St.Louis Blues, followed up by a first time Larry OB trophy winner by some team called "NORTH"..........so maybe there's hope for a stunner in the Quest for the Crystal Ball??!!
     
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    Are you a baseball fan at all?
     
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    QUOTE="MarineG8R, post: 27834072, member: 235550"]UF is gonna sneak up on everyone.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Iowa is tied for 109th in the country in returning starters.
     
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    but they don't have the coaches that have done what Ferentz has done and that is win with walk on's, 2* and low 3* players also in Ferentz 20 years he has had 32 2* players drafted

    he is known as a great developer of players taking players nobody else thought were good enough and turned them into NFL players,
    now he is getting the 4 and 5* players, it will be interesting to see what he can do with the players other teams want.

    just for you this team has these
    1 5* in DE Epenesa
    4* OL Wirfs
    4* OL Kallenberg
    4* OL Endres

    US ARMY AA Linderman
    DE Waggoner
    DB Castro
    DB Cradieth
    DB Brents
    DB/LB Colbert
    QB Petras
    LB Jacobs AA
    NON 4*
    Indiana POY ATH Tracey
    Illinois POY ATH Evans
    JUCO AA Sargeant
    JUCO Top 50 #33 DT Nixon
    LB McDonald Georgia Defensive POY
    in the 2020 class these have committed
    4* AA DE/DT Jones
    4* QB Hogan
    4* RB Leshon Williams
    4* OL Elersbury
    4* WR Martin who transferred from Michigan
    and Iowa is in a good standing with these
    4* TE Theo Johnson
    4* OL McLaughlin
    4* DE Moore

    to date these are the upgrade in talented commits that the new coaches are getting.

    combine that with Kirk's ability to develop players by moving them to another position where the will succeed the best
    like 5* LB Roth to DE
    4* TE Ballard to DE then DT
    are the 2 most noteable highly rated players.
     
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    hmm you must be counting the FCS teams as well. but its not the quantity its the quality.
     
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    Moore and McLaughlin have already committed? Where did you get that Intel kilroy?

    Edit: and you tried throwing Theo Johnson in there............ c'mon man!!
     
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    Nope. 109 out of 130.
     
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    The top tier teams get both quantity and quality!
     
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    Flag on the play, my friend.

    In 2008, his 68th ranked defense played in a conference that had six top twelve offenses with two more in the top 30.

    In 2010, his 53d ranked defense played in a conference that had seven top 30 offenses

    In 2011, his 55th ranked defense played in a conference that had six offenses in the top 13.

    I flat guarantee you Alabama wouldn't have a top five defense in a conference like that.


    Besides, you don't think he learned defense from Bill Snyder and Bob Stoops?
     
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    STEELE no love for the pac?
     
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    Hilarious how you state your opinion as fact,
     
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    What makes a bowl just as important as a playoff, rival or conference game?
     
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    It's another opportunity for a win and to impress recruits who visit the game?
     
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    You think recruits are swayed by a bowl game win? I don’t
     
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    It's that. But it has no impact on the season.

    Conference games matter in terms of winning a conference championship.
    Non-conference games matter in terms of making the playoff.

    Bowl games that aren't part of the playoff... matter only in how they impact your final ranking in the polls (UGA would have been 4th or 5th with a win in their bowl and was 7th with a loss), and perhaps impacts how a recruit feels (though most recruits actually sign before bowl games with the current recruiting calendar). UGA ended up with either the 1st or 2nd ranked recruiting class depending on which site you follow despite losing their bowl.

    While I always want my team to win every game they play in, regardless of the importance or venue... I can tell you I was a lot less bothered by the loss to Texas than I was the losses to Bama and LSU. Those games had an impact on UGA's season. Losing those hurt quite a bit. Losing to Texas was more "Oh... that's too bad. What's on TV tonight?"
     
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    Absolutely it can swing decisions ... and has.

    It's not the end all, be all .... but anytime you can impress a recruit and display a decisive win that they can "be apart of" in the future ... it's a good thing.

    Does Penn State lose these recruits they are currently losing if they had an impressive bowl win last season? Maybe, maybe not ... It certainly doesn't give recruits confidence about the future of the program.
     
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    2 Texas recruits committed/signed after their bowl game. (a 5 star and a 3 star)
    3 UGA recruits. (a 3, a 4 and a 5-star)
    1 Clemson recruit (a 3-star)
    2 Bama recruits (2 4-stars)

    I honestly think due to the early signing period, bowls have almost no impact on recruiting anymore.
     
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    Tidaltown and I are friends going back a decade. I'm sure he takes your input with all the seriousness it so richly deserves...Laughing

    I stated data, and formed an opinion based on the data. Care to refute it?
     
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    I would say losing a bowl hurts more than winning one helps ....
     
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    Neither of those make it as important than the type of games I listed.
     
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    Only in perception. In truth, bowl games have little to do with the following season, as players graduate, leave, get kicked off, etc. This is why IMO, preseason polls are essentially useless. Unless there are stark differences, such as Georgia Tech losing 13 starters plus a head coach that had a unique (for P5) offensive system in place, the preseason experts based 2019 based on what happened in 2018...
     
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    Well you go ahead and coach a team who is unable to win a bowl game and see where that takes the future of your program.

    Good luck.
     
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    Perception matters a lot ...

    In fact, it often matters more than actual results.
     
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    Not really. Scoreboard is what matters.
     
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    Again, as you just admitted, your opinion not fact. Personally, don’t give a shit what relationship you have with anyone, some of your inane comments are just that.
     
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    A game that impacts a championship is much more important in the grand scheme of things.
     
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    Not when discussing bowls, playoffs, and recruiting.
     
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    Well obviously. If wins didn't matter ... CFB would be a 15 team sport. Because realistically, there's only about 15 programs capable of winning titles on an annual basis.

    They matter because it's competition. People sorta kinda like to win competitions.
     
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    Preseason Consensus according to Stassen:

    1. Clemson
    2. Alabama
    3. Ohio State
    4. Georgia
    5. Washington
    6. Wisconsin
    7. Auburn

    8. Oklahoma
    9. Michigan
    10. Miami
    11. Michigan State

    12. Penn State
    13. Notre Dame
    14. Stanford
    15. Southern Cal
    16. Miss State

    17. Texas
    18. FSU
    19. TCU

    20. LSU
    21. Florida
    22. Boise State
    23. Virginia Tech
    24. UCF
    25. Oregon

    The schools in BOLD finished outside the Top 25. It's generally a crap shoot.
     
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    Isn’t that kinda like the Dawgs struggles vs Bama though? tOSU like Bama is the king of their respective conferences over the past decade.
     
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    Ok, so it’s obvious. Good to know. That’s why players sit out bowl games.
     
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    This is 2018’s consensus right?
     
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    Well yeah ... obviously a chance to win the most coveted trophy in the sport is more important than a vanilla bowl game.

    That doesn't mean bowl games aren't meaningful. They certainly can be more valuable than a conference game when it comes to recruiting a part of the country you don't have a large footprint in.

    I'm just saying .... NO ONE goes into a bowl game with the plan to lose. I've never seen a player jumping for joy after losing the Trojan Kellogs Sunkist Grape Bowl. Clearly, it meant something ...
     
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    No doubt he's a good coordinator as he has proven that. I agree that the Big 12 has better offenses overall than the SEC, but not by that much. The difference in defense, however, is monumental.

    In 2008, the SEC had 5 offenses in the top 30 nationally in scoring. The same for 2011. That's not much different than the Big 12's 6 offenses you list for 2008 and 2011.

    In 2011 for example, when Vanables had the #55 defense, the breakdown was as follows for O and D in the 2 conferences:

    Top 30 Offenses:
    Big 12: 6
    SEC: 5

    Top 30 Scoring Defenses:
    Big 12: 1
    SEC: 7

    He played in a conference with great offenses and terrible defenses.
    The SEC is a conference with very good offenses and the best defenses.
     

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