****Official B1G Off Season Thread****
- Thread starter bMORE607
- Start date
- Status
18 FGA? Not sure what you are talking about here??? TJD averaged 13 fga per game.. Oh , you mean the game where he scored 19 pts, vs Illinois? Ok----And? He was fouled a ton. He was the focal point of IU's offense. SO what he took 18 shots.
Some of ya'll put to much into this----19 pts, is 19 points. You don't get bonus points for doing it more efficiently...Still 19 points.
I mean is there that big of a difference that Kofi needed 16 shots to score 16 points? And even had he gotten to the line 10 times---hes probbaly missing half---dude was awful from the line. Which means he could have scored 2 more points, with basically the same amount of opportunity...
Do I thiink Kofi is better? Meh----I dunno. Probably. But there certainly isn't some huge gap. The difference is their size. Other than that, not to much separation. If either can develop a shot outside of 3 feet, they'd be scary.
Then why did you pimp his 65% shooting so much? You could have said---he's good at dunking and lay-ups....But ya didn't. You presented his FG% as evidence he could, ummmm, shoot. TBH, dude should have shot 70%.....But when you cannot hit the floor on a shot from 10 feet, well.........
😂 Indiana lost and TJD’s inability to capitalize on the many opportunities he wasted didn’t matter that much? Interesting take. I’ll let the basketball world know that’s efficiency is overrated.
Kofi shot 3-4 and 2-2 from the FT line, so there goes that.
There are two unanimous All Americans returning this season. Kofi is one. TJD is not the other.
Neither can hit a jumper. I didn’t think I needed to put a shot chart up on where Kofi was shooting the ball from…
Unfortunately for TJD he isn’t anywhere close to as good inside.
Have fun with your 6’9 non-shooting center, 9-31 against Kofi last year.
Lol he’s a bum slayer
Illinois has a very good team next season with Kofi. After more research, I feel I was way too bullish about Illinois even a week ago. Illinois does have a very good roster. I'm skeptical of Underwood some, but I do like the roster Illinois has heading into the season.
Id expect Dickinson to average between 16 to 18 ppg and 8 to 10 rebounds. So similar to what Kofi did last year.
Kofi should be about 20 and 10.
Maybe you expect something different?
Still the top 2 players in conference regardless.
I feel that way. I think he will get a little better but one thing to remember he also did a year of prep school iirc? Kofi and hunter are both old for their class but Kofi didn’t start playing till he was in HS….
This year- Hunter Dickinson is as good as anyone in the country in my opinion.
The Big Ten is loaded with stud centers...
Kofi Cockburn
Trevion Williams
Trayce Jackson Davis
EJ Liddell
All of them improved a good amount from freshman to sophomore year. That also correlates to common sense. Hunter probably will, too.
Baker
Mulcahy
Harper
Hyatt
Omoruyi
Bench: McConnell, Jones (fr.), Agee, Mag
Jones is going to be good. He and McConnell should provide some decent bench scoring and minutes
Why is it so hard for some of to you read? No one is arguing that TJD is better. Not a single person. The argument is that there isn't some huge, substantial gap.
Yes, TJD missed some bunnies....Bunnies had he hit, IU might have won. MOF, probably would have. If he were more efficient, yes, IU probably wins. It does matter. But at the end of the day---19 points, is still 19 points. Sure he could have had 25, maybe even 30. But well, he can be soft, and I think Kofi's physical presence got in his head.
At the end of the day, the bottom line is---Kofi isn't substantially better.
Then why boast on his 65% shooting? I mean, are slow, or something? If so---my apologies.
TJD cannot shoot----yet averaged 19/9----Yet hes not anywhere close to as good(inside)? Again--are you fukcing slow? If he cannot shoot----Ahhh, nevermind. Cannot fix stupid---or trolling.
Kofi was a 2nd teamer across the board: AP, USWBA, NABC and Sporting News..
TJD was a 3rd team....across the board as well.
Their stats are close....Their H2H matchups were close...
Where is this substantial gap?
Stats seem important to you....So I guess it would be fair to say that Mr.Krutiwg, is better than Kofi?
He had 19 points, 12 rebounds, 5 assist and 4 steals---on 9-18 shooting.
Kofi had 21 points, 9 boards, 0 assist and 2 steals----on 7-12 shooting.
Oh, and Krutwigs team mopped the floor with Illinois.
You realize that if you gave 100 D-1 coaches the chance to have Kofi or TJD, 100 coaches would take Kofi with 0 hesitation.
The reason I brought shooting percentage into it is because neither player makes jumpers. Which means that is essentially the difference in their efficiency at the rim.
Krutwig versus Kofi would be a much different argument. Kofi was more efficient and scored more, but Krutwig was better at facilitating the offense. Kofi also shot 13% than the rest of our team that game. If you watched the game, you’d know neither of them was the difference in that game.
TJD in the matchups against Kofi shot 29% from the field. That’s significantly worse than your teams averages in both games.
Didn’t think I’d have to walk you through this shit, but here we are. Clearly you are either dense, butthurt, or both. If I had to put money on it I’d guess the last one.
Riiiight...Actually, I wish you'd make up your mind....I mean you do realize I never said TJD was better---that there simply isn't this huge gap. There is not.
You realize your example of 100 coaches taking Kofi is simply your opinion, with absolute no factual basis....None. Just the opinion of an Illinois fan. BUt leaveit to you to argue such as fact.
How did Kofi being more efficient work out for you guys?
Not sure why you are so fascinated with TJD shooting 29% vs Illinois/Kofi. Even with shooting terribly, he still averaged 15 and 11. Not bad for a guy who is exponentially worse, huh?
That's the ignorance in your stand---Even as bad as you say TJD is, and how much better Kofi is, the numbers(outside of shooting) are damn near identical: 15/11 vs 15/12... And thats with TJD not being able to hit water from a boat.
Now, bring up the FT's----and if I have time, I'll explain that to you as well.
Neither big dominated the other. They essentially canceled each other out.
Difference in the game was their guards shot efficiently and didn't commit turnovers. Illinois’ guards struggled and it cost em the game.
That’s cool man, you are entitled to your opinion, I disagree about there not being a gap.
Kofi/Dickinson, IMO are in different tier than him because they can anchor elite defenses while still being efficient offensively.
TJD will have great looking raw numbers but he isn’t as efficient and that leads to less team success.
I have the dude ranked 4th in the B1G so not sure why you are taking it so personally.
Garza is going to come back for his bonus year and just Fock all you guys. Mop the floor with Dick and Cock.
Idk about all that. Kofi is definitely solid but he’s not a guy you throw the ball to and ask him to get a bucket. He lacks an offensive arsenal to make such a definitive statement like this.
Yup you throw him a lob or the ball in the post. TJD is a smaller Kofi.
He averaged almost 18 point per game on 65% from the floor.
He’s so big that it looks easy sometimes, then people take it for granted.
He is going to average about 20 and 10 while anchoring an elite defense.
How many power 6 players have done that in the last 20 years?
He’s very good, just don’t think he has that many tools offensively. He dominates with his sheer size.
I mean size is part of the game, he’s 7’0 and powerfully built it so makes sense to just turn and dunk on opponents.
At the pro level he will have to develop more, but in college not many players can get him out of his comfort zone.
Relatively speaking, his touch for a guy that big really isn’t that bad.
Rutgers had talent last year but sometimes it felt like there was too many mouths to feed scoring wise. You might have less top end talent from last year, but better roles/chemistry this year.
I’m not familiar with Hyatt. Where’d he transfer from?
Overall you guys look like a tourney team, was surprised some brackets had Rutgers out in their early season projections.
How skilled he is is kind of irrelevant. 18/10 on 65% from the field is elite. He’s probably not as skilled as TJD but he’s bigger and an athletic freak so it makes up for it and makes him better.
- Status
Similar threads
