Agree with what you’re saying in this post, but back end top 10 is a bit harsh. I imagine we are ranked #2 in the newest AP Poll. All of the metrics have us first, and no human polls have us lower than about 4th.
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I wouldn’t put too much weight into metrics or human polls right now. A week ago Kentucky was the undisputed #1 team in the country.
The AP poll also has Michigan outside the top 44. That’s laughable.
Interesting how you lined them up. Why compare Ahrens (6'5" wing that doesn't start) to Eli Brooks (6'1" starting guard)?
I'd think it'd be more comparable to put Rocket vs. Brooks, and then Ahrens vs. Nunez.
Kithier / Bingham > Castleton / Johns at this point. Kithier alone is averaging 7.7ppg, 3.7rpg, and 2.3apg, which is almost equal to both of them.
At this point, I'd say Teske has played better than Tillman. And Livers over Henry, though they have different focus (Henry the teams best defender, Livers a scorer)
The comps were based on finding washes, hence the Ahrens/Eli. It shows where Michigan is missing the player that MSU has (Watts). If Michigan had that caliber of player then Eli is in the same role as Ahrens.
I must admit that I didn't know Kithier had those numbers so far. It is early, but I am going by eye test and not numbers. Eye test says Tillman slightly over Teske
so you are saying because of Teske Michigan won all those NCAAT games and none of the other players or coach Bielien had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with those wins?
like I said the team WON THOSE GAMES not JUST Teske who for the 1st 2 season did little to nothing to help, even last season he didn't even avg dbl digits in scoring.
The metrics don't assume Langford is out.
If the metrics were correct, then MSU should have won by about 8 last night and controlled the second half instead of the game looking like a toss up.
If the metrics were correct, then MSU should have slid by Kentucky rather than seeing the latter have control of the whole game with a variable buffer.
I would think MSU would be about #7 right now in the metrics if Langford left the team in the off-season.
Garza was just a SO last season and Teske WAS A JR.
apples to oranges.
its not just about blocked shots either, there are other factors that go into the make up of the player.
you have to take the scoring. shooting avg's is more important when scoring, MPG plays a role. rebounding and grade they are in, comparing a JR to a SO is rather fool hardy when talking about the best.
in this case looking at Garza and what he did as a FR and SO compared to what Teske did as a FR and SO Garza was the best player and its not even close.
If Garza's so good, why is Michigan winning, but Iowa got destroyed by DePaul? Teske has never lost to DePaul.
Never been more excited to see a cupcake next on the schedule.
they never played Depaul either so that is a piss poor example, as for losing to Depaul Fran does have 3 new starters in this years lineup
RSSO Connor last years backup
RSFR Fredrick who just came off a RS season.
RSSO Nunge who just came off a RS season
you don't suppose thay had anything to do with it do you
also DePaul has 3 transfers that are starting maybe you will remember these 2
PG Moore
SG Lands
both former Illinois players
this is not the same DePaul team from last year then you add in top 50 4* Weems a 6'7 SF and 2 other top 100 4*'s in the 19 class. this years DePaul team is nothing like last years team now is it.
on NOV 29th they play Minnesota
on DEC 4th they play TT
on DEC 21st they play NW
Iowa will play all these teams to compare the 2 on. plus find out how good DePaul really is.
let's revisit Teske's stats as a FR then as a SO compared to Garza's stats as a FR and SO,
T Stats FR 3.1 mpg, 0.3 ppg, 0.6 rpg, 7 blocks shooting 14.3% from the field, 50% from the FTL and 0.0% from 3 on 0-6
T SO stats 12.3 mpg. 3.4 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 26 blocks shooting 54.1% from the field, 57.4% from the FTL and 0.0% from 3 on 0-1
G FR stats 21.7 mpg, 12.1 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 32 blocks, shooting 55.7% from the field, 68.1 % from the FTL and 34.8% from 3 on 16-46
G SO stats 23.6 mpg, 13.1 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 17 blocks, shooting 53.1% from the field, 80.4% from the FTL, and 29.2% from 3 on 21 of 72,
Garza>>>Teske and its not even close
as a JR Garza is avg'ing 25.5 mpg, 17 ppg, 10 rpg, 3 blocks, shooting 48% from the field 66.7% from the FTL and 50% from 3, plus he is leading the team in scoring, rebounding and Blocks vs Teske as a SR is leading in rebounding and blocks. playing 32 mpg.
T Stats FR 3.1 mpg, 0.3 ppg, 0.6 rpg, 7 blocks shooting 14.3% from the field, 50% from the FTL and 0.0% from 3 on 0-6
T SO stats 12.3 mpg. 3.4 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 26 blocks shooting 54.1% from the field, 57.4% from the FTL and 0.0% from 3 on 0-1
G FR stats 21.7 mpg, 12.1 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 32 blocks, shooting 55.7% from the field, 68.1 % from the FTL and 34.8% from 3 on 16-46
G SO stats 23.6 mpg, 13.1 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 17 blocks, shooting 53.1% from the field, 80.4% from the FTL, and 29.2% from 3 on 21 of 72,
Garza>>>Teske and its not even close
as a JR Garza is avg'ing 25.5 mpg, 17 ppg, 10 rpg, 3 blocks, shooting 48% from the field 66.7% from the FTL and 50% from 3, plus he is leading the team in scoring, rebounding and Blocks vs Teske as a SR is leading in rebounding and blocks. playing 32 mpg.
I'm not getting sucked into your inane debates
Garza was great, Iowa was trash but played a team that will finish 3rd or 4th in a bad conference so they won. Whatever
Oklahoma State beat them by 5
I would ORU is a pretty good team
Nunge broke out of slump with 14 points and 10 rebounds
Garza 30 points, 10 rebounds, 1 assist, 2 steals and 1 block
Connor 10 points, 7 assists, 2 steals and 0 TO's named the player of the game.
Iowa turned the ball over just 8 times vs the 20 TO's they had against DePaul ORU shot 33.3% from 3.
Iowa trash not even close
crawl back to the clone board already,
Iowa won the rebounding battle 44-34 holding them to just 9 OR which killed Iowa last year,
Garza 2-4 from 3 shot 8 FT's in the 1st half 0 in the 2nd half. the really bad for Iowa tonight is they shot 57.7% from the FTL missing the front end 4 times. even Joe missed 2 on a flagrant foul. after being under cut while going up for a rebound and coming down hard on his elbow of his shooting hand.
missing that many FT's is not going to cut it. the cutting down on TO's is big going forward as they avg'd 12.1 TO's pg, would love to see that number below 10 TO's pg
Garza 2-4 from 3 shot 8 FT's in the 1st half 0 in the 2nd half. the really bad for Iowa tonight is they shot 57.7% from the FTL missing the front end 4 times. even Joe missed 2 on a flagrant foul. after being under cut while going up for a rebound and coming down hard on his elbow of his shooting hand.
missing that many FT's is not going to cut it. the cutting down on TO's is big going forward as they avg'd 12.1 TO's pg, would love to see that number below 10 TO's pg
oh and like Elon is a Elite blue blood, which the Great Teske scored 16 points, 7 rebounds against.
Anyone see BYU's all white team beat Houston's all black team? No excuses, Iowa.
Yeah, we spotted Utah 16 points right out of the gate last night. Got it to within 1 in the second half but came up short. Blew a 9 point second half lead against Oklahoma as well. Not a great start to the season thus far. On top of that, with the way Oturu has looked, their is an increasing possibility he could leave for the NBA after this season.
I think the question should be who is Garza actually better than? Gotta be a small list. Maybe some cheerleaders?
JR Garza 30 Minutes, 30 points, 10 rebounds, 1 assist, 2 steals and 1 block, 2-4 from 3
will be interesting to track them all season
but he had help
Nunge 27 minutes, 14 points, 10 rebounds, 2 assists, you know that worthless player that Indiana and Purdue didn't offer. 2-5 from 3.
on another note Patrick DNP because of residual health issues, speculation it is related to his surgery reguarding cancer,
its day to day if he will have to RS this year or not.
is that why he was one of 20 Center selected to the Kareem Abdul Jabbar watch list for the best center in D1.
AS A JR, why was Teske not put on this list? I mean after all he should be a slam dunk winner of this award.
Oklahoma State only beat them by 5 and Minnesota plays OKSU in a couple week as well DePaul.
Iowa was up by 21 when Fran started substituting quite liberally at the end of the game, they had been held in check from 3 till toward the end then they made 3 3's to close the gap and the point spread was 10.5 points so Iowa covered the spread.
looks like the odds maker know more than you do about how good ORU is, again another team that loaded up on Transfers from last season. with 3 SR starters and 2 SR's coming off the bench that helped,
but that's ok I know you struggle with the Idea that this team might be good,
Nunge broke out of his slump and will take most of the Triple teams on Garza and a lot of the dbl teams as well,
not bad 44 points 20 rebounds between the 2 of them is going create problems down the line for a lot of teams,
oh yeah and lets not forget about Jordan who went 3-3 from 3 with 11 points last night, if he is fully healthy he adds the outside shooter to take even more pressure off of Wieskamp, Nunge and Garza.
Nice stat line for sure, but Elon is one of the worst teams in the country. 320’s in KenPom.
Gil needs a fact checker before he posts. There are so many just flat out lies in almost every post
yes he did as the announcer kept saying he did as he was 1 of the 3 Transfers on DePaul's roster,
they kept talking about it how Depaul had reworked their roster,
now if you have a problem with anybody take it up with the crew that covered the game,
not going to look at the past Illinois rosters to make sure the info coming from the announcers of another team is accurate or not.
