Caring about recruiting rankings as we watch Carsen Edwards dump truck every team he plays is a lol narrative to push. But I get it, youre trolling so troll on Klize.
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Caring about recruiting rankings as we watch Carsen Edwards dump truck every team he plays is a lol narrative to push. But I get it, youre trolling so troll on Klize.
Managed to not give up a hundred in our most recent tournament game, though. Unlike someone I know...
Recruiting rankings matter. But it’s not gospel.
Edwards is more of an exception than rule.
And if you think every undersized top 140 recruit is the next Carsen Edwards you just became like certain Indiana fans after Victor Oladipo. Recruting rankings matter
I feel like you're the king of pushing LOL narratives, and I mean that in the nicest way possible.
Nobody on this Purdue roster is a top 75 guy so I guess the entire roster is the exception.
I mean was Xavier Tillman even a top 75 guy? 100 guy?
Id rather have him for four years than Stephen Zimmerman for one but if you have Zimmerman instead your recruiting rankings are going to be higher and get everyone all excited.
Id rather have him for four years than Stephen Zimmerman for one but if you have Zimmerman instead your recruiting rankings are going to be higher and get everyone all excited.
If you compare seed versus record, Purdue's been about average in March under Painter.
https://n.rivals.com/prospect_rankings/rivals150/2014
Look at these beautiful recruiting rankings.
Tum Tum Nairn a 4 star coming in at #62 overall
Meanwhile, look at these 3 stars
3 Star 123rd ranked Ethan Happ (now this is hilarious)
3 star 124th ranked Vince Edwards (lol)
3 star 139 ranked Kelan Martin
3 star 145th ranked Bonzie Colson (lolwat?)
3 star 147th ranked Dakota Mathias
Spoiler Alert - recruiting rankings dont matter. The only real accuracy I can find at all is the cant miss 5 star one and done prospects.
Look at these beautiful recruiting rankings.
Tum Tum Nairn a 4 star coming in at #62 overall
Meanwhile, look at these 3 stars
3 Star 123rd ranked Ethan Happ (now this is hilarious)
3 star 124th ranked Vince Edwards (lol)
3 star 139 ranked Kelan Martin
3 star 145th ranked Bonzie Colson (lolwat?)
3 star 147th ranked Dakota Mathias
Spoiler Alert - recruiting rankings dont matter. The only real accuracy I can find at all is the cant miss 5 star one and done prospects.
Yeah I just went and looked up the 2016 rankings and Josh Langford was a 5 star 20th overall guy and Carsen Edwards was rabked 91st overall so even ignoring the countless other examples that took me 2 mins to find, that should tell you all you need to know about recruiting rankings.
not all 4* players start out playing like 1 n dones. even they need time to develop.
If recruiting rankings mattered, Indiana wouldve finished top 2 in the conference this season.
But they dont matter. Coaching and development matters. Just look at Belein doing what hes doing, turning these obscure recruits into NBA guys every year.
But they dont matter. Coaching and development matters. Just look at Belein doing what hes doing, turning these obscure recruits into NBA guys every year.
Top 50 guys according to Rivals generally have very solid college careers though. Outside of that, it's hard to get everything right. I think Eric Hunter should be ranked about 75th in this class, and he's like 115th, doesn't change how I think of him as a player.
Correct. Not much difference between a 4 star ranked 50 or 110.
How badly does Beilein underachieve then? Only one FF and a 8 seed last year and 5 seed this year in the BTT?
these are the obscure recruits that has committed to play at Michigan
2015 SF Chatman 4*
2016 PG Simpson 4*, 4* C Teske
2017 SG Poole 4*, 4* PF Livers
give me a break those are not obscure recruits
2018 class SR Post Grad Brazdeikis 4*
SF Johns 4*
PG DeJulius 4*
Only if we get a 1 seed.
I was responding to someone who suggested Purdue underperformed. That's not really true.
They do, in general. Look at the teams who consistently make deep tourney runs and how they recruit. Purdue usually lacks the top talent to make deep tourney runs.
Relative to recruiting rankings? He doesnt underachieve at all. He won the B1G tournament last season and got within a hair of beating Oregon to make the Elite 8.
Hes made a championship game and elite 8 in other years. Seems like he way overachieves in the tournament.
Only if we get a 1 seed.
I was responding to someone who suggested Purdue underperformed. That's not really true.
Just messing around
Yeah without question second best coach in the big ten.
Players to a system absolutely matter and Painter seems to have found a nice balance after the Sauce issues. We will see what continues after the seniors leave.
To say that rankings don’t matter though is incorrect. They play a part in the equation.
To say that rankings don’t matter though is incorrect. They play a part in the equation.
Beilein has been at UM since 2007. He’s had two deep tourney runs. First ever BTT title just last year. That’s ‘way overachieving?’
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I disagree with that statement. Attributing runs to recruiting is the wrong aim because Texas under Shaka, UCONN under Ollie(outside of one season), even Cal under Cuonzo all have underachieved despite their built in talent advantages due to recruiting.
I think what you can typically attribute deep runs in March to are coaching. Butlers back to back runs, Wichita States run, South Carolina last season, Bo Ryans back to back runs with one 5 and a bunch of obscure recruits surrounding him who he developed, and so on and so forth boil down to coaching.
To me, coaching is typically the catalyst to runs.
Obviously there are some exceptions, when you assemble a team as talented as Kentucky has veen during their runs, then yeah talent matters.
But Kansas and Arizona have a top 5 team every year in talent and it doesnt ensure them success.
Belein has way overachieved with his talent yes. Hes made the championship game, lost to a team that shouldn't have even be there due to cheating on a bad foul call on Burke, made the elite 8 and lost in a last second Harrison 3, and made the Sweet 16 last season.
Trey Burke, Nik Stauskas, Tim Hardaway JR, GR3, DJ Wilson, Caris LeVert, Mitch McGary
Hes continually developed players into pros. Hes developed Mo VVagner into an NBA player, Poole looks like a lock to league.
Only a message board poster would try to argue that another coach would have better results with his "recruiting rankings."
Wagner isn’t an nba player, probably. I’m not debating whether or not he’s a good coach. He is. I’m saying he isn’t some great tournament coach. 2 times he’s made it past the S16. That’s not that great.
And if you are saying he has all this nba talent and still doesn’t do that well in March, kind of kills your point.
Are you saying his team didnt do well last year when they lost in the Sweet 16 to Oregon?
If you are we can quit having the discussion and agree to disagree because he took a 7 seed to the sweet 16 and lost a close game to a F4 team.
You do realize only 4 teams make the final four right? Seems absurd to act like only 4 teams do well every year in march when a team that made the elite 8 went 3-1 in the tournament.
I want no part of this argument but two games is a ridiculously small sample size for someone who has been there over a decade. Belein is a phenomenal coach, no one is arguing otherwise.
