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  1. USMC Cat

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    So what else was it about then?

    He wanted to target specifically Republicans. His Facebook was full of anti-Republican bullshit. He made threats against Republican politicians.

    So what was it? He just had a bad day and decided to drive from Illinois to Washington to do... what? Find Republicans and shoot them, correct?

    What part of all that screams 'not about politics' to you?

    Yeah, probably wasn't about politics. Definitely didn't have anything to do with the fact that he was a Bernie supporter who lost his ****ing mind when Trump won the election and he still hasn't come to grips with it, like most of the far-left.
     
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    Maybe the part where he SHOT PEOPLE?

    Obviously, he targetted people based on politics; I was the first one here to posit that it could be a leftie nutjob.

    But by trying to say it is ACTUAL POLITICS, instead of just a nutjob who is influenced by politics, you are completely missing the mark. Politics is voting, speeches, campaigns, legislation. Politics is NOT shooting people.

    And the way you are writing off an AWFUL lot of people as mental? Lame.

    (Sorry, I went back and added to this.)
     
  3. USMC Cat

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    Shot who?

    Republicans, right? Because they were Republicans.

    But... not political. This dude was a volunteer on Bernie's campaign. He was deeply, deeply into politics.

    But you say this isn't about politics. Or.. not all about politics. I've yet to hear you suggest what other motivating factor could have caused him to open fire on... Republicans.

    Rep. Ron DeSantis, R-Fla., told Fox News he left just before the shooting. As he walked to his car, a man asked DeSantis if it was Republicans or Democrats practicing. About 3 minutes later, at around 7:09 a.m., the shooting began.

    What else was his motivation, if not politics? Sounds to me like it was ALL about politics.
     
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    No I don't. I think Facebook wants to be a one-stop social media shop. I think the "What's on your mind?" and timeline features of Facebook are pretty important to their platform. There is a reason that the first thing you see when you login to Facebook is a box to tell people what you're doing or what you're thinking. I don't think it's just a site to look at pictures.

    But you didn't really answer my question. How does a nutjob going on a rant make Facebook look bad as a company? If I said "I hate Mexicans" on my Facebook, who looks bad- me or the Facebook company?
     
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  5. TheDude1

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    Most people would attribute the issue to the guy, but Facebook would ABSOLUTELY face blowback in a few ways. Some of it would be active; people being upset that Facebook would be used to disseminate that stuff. Some of it would be background; the name "Facebook!" being associated with a story about a guy who hates Mexicans. That is not good for a brand.

    Listen, talk to a marketing person. This isn't terribly complicated. Companies do all they can to protect their brand, and trying to disassociate with a crazy person is certainly something that they do. Facebook wants to be that friendly place where you see what your friends are doing and your friends can like what you are doing. Friends, likes, etc. They don't want to be the "Hey, go to this website to be a voyeur about this mass murderer!"
     
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    Yes, of course they have lol
     
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    I think you're wrong. I think quite clearly the person who said it looks bad, not the social media site where it was said.
     
  8. USMC Cat

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    • James Hodgkinson wrote a number of letters to the editor of his local paper in Belleville, Illinois, chastising members of the paper’s conservative editorial board for failing to address major problems with Republican tax policy, and citing liberal thinkers like Robert Reich and talk show host Rachel Maddow.

      After learning the shooters identity, the Belleville News-Democrat reposted a number of the shooters letters, dating back to 2012, calling for major economic reform, and an incredible 55-bracket tax code.
      “We need to bring our country out of today’s recession by raising the number of tax brackets from six to 20 or more and the top marginal rate of 35 percent on $380,000 to 60 percent on $20 million or more,” Hodgkinson wrote. “I have never said “life sucks,” only the policies of the Republicans.”

      On another occasion, he outlined a full tax code reformation, that included a detailed breakdown of probable tax brackets, as well as income increases. “We need 55 brackets ranging from 4 percent to 63 percent. Anyone can look up the history of federal income tax rates on the Internet. Check it out.”

      He also supported weed decriminalization. “I believe to stimulate the economy, it is time to legalize or at least decriminalize marijuana use,” Hodgkinson opined in the summer of 2012, just before the state of Illinois began considering the possibility. “Also to fund the government deficit I hope the Obama administration raises the income tax rate for the rich to 70 percent or more.”

      Hodgkinson appeared, more recently, in the newspaper’s file photos, holding a one-man protest outside of Belleville’s city government buildings and the local post office, holding a sign reading “Tax the Rich.” On Facebook and in Tweets, he referred to Republicans as “racist” and “sexist.”


      Dude was a straight up socialist, and hated Republicans. He bought into the bullshit. All the bullshit.

     
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    First, come on now Chitown, you aren't new to this whole "quoting" thing.

    Second, yes, when there is a big high profile shooting, people will discuss how much a part guns and the ease in which they are gotten and the sheer number of them play. This is a reasonable discussion to have, even if we disagree. Trying to pretend that the discussion is irrelevant is silly, even if we are all sick of it.
     
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    So he was a smart nutjob. So was Ted Kaczynski. Doesn't make him any less crazy.

    Whatever, no point in arguing.
     
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    Hail, that isn't how marketing and PR works.
     
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    Yeah I messed up that quote part, sorry haha

    Nah, You should find governor McAuliffe's take from within like two hours of the event. 'I know it's not the time for this discussion but I discuss it every day blah blah blah' paraphrasing
     
  13. I am stupid

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    I was told it was an AK. Not very reliable source tho.
     
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    See?! The AK deserves more love. The AR can be a temperamental bitch at times... the AK just works. I know it doesn't always hit what you are aiming at, but in the 90s the AK was everywhere... and now, not so much.
     
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    You suggested it wasn't about politics, without offering any alternate motive, despite being asked.

    If you have even a shred of evidence this was motivated by anything other than politics, I'd love to see it. Hell, I'd even give you the benefit of the doubt.

    But as it stands now, this guy wanted one thing and one thing only... For Republicans to die. That's not an opinion, that's not debatable.
     
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    I believe that guns should be celebrated here, too. Had those two Capital Police officers not been there to return fire, it would have been a much, much worse situation. The guy purchased his weapons legally (from what I've read). Not much could have been done in this situation from a guns standpoint.

    IMO - It's more about the hateful political rhetoric that we've experienced for the last couple years now. Things have gotten way out of control and it's unfortunate it may take a situation like this to calm things down. But it's beyond clear that politics ABSOLUTELY played a part in this. I think him being crazy played a part as well. But you don't drive from Illinois to Washington DC, check to make sure it's Republicans on the field, and then open fire on them on a whim. This guy went there with a plan to kill Republicans, not politicians, Republicans.
     
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    I like to think of it as...a nutjob that was political. SmokinSmile Not my kind of politics tho
     
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    Sure, that "definition" makes sense to me. As I said, I was the very first person here to theorize it could be a left wing nut job. And obviously his motivation was based on political parties and the rest. But I think saying that politics played much in this just isn't correct... 300 million people get involved with politics every day, and don't go shooting anyone. Lots of people have extreme political views. They don't go shooting people. The overwhelming, defining issue here was that he was crazy.

    And thank God there were armed law enforcement officers there who could engage him. Otherwise yes, it would've likely been much worse. I've never seen anyone reasonable suggest our police would not be armed.
     
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    Not with his terrible aim.
     
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    Same old tired story. The guy purchased the guns legally. What else can be done? Even a background check wouldn't have flagged his offenses (I don't believe, could be wrong). And I'm sure this will evolve into an "assault weapon" ban discussion again even though two pistols would have done just as much damage.
     
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    I will be curious to see what sort of optics he used, if any.


    When there is a big high profile shooting, people will discuss how much a part guns and the ease in which they are gotten and the sheer number of them play. This is a reasonable discussion to have, even if we disagree. Trying to pretend that the discussion is irrelevant is silly, even if we are all sick of it.
     
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    Pretty good speech by the POTUS today. Not partisan in the least. Well done.

    Sure would be nice if this tragedy actually leads to more bipartisanship. Both sides are obviously feeling that way now. Hope it continues.
     
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    The only way that could happen is because it happened to congressman. If it happened to regular people they wouldn't give a shit enough. But since it happened to them, maybe they can come together.

    Doubt it.
     
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    We lose 93 million Americans a day to gun violence... according to the VA governor.

    "I'll take 'making random shit up to push your agenda' for $1,200, Alex."
     
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    Its irrelevant b/c it wont work. Lone wolf attacks where they have no regard for what happens to them post attack are always going to be next to impossible to stop. The gun wasn't the problem---its the political nut job that was.
     
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    I disagree with a blanket statement that no gun control can work. Obviously it is impossible to stop all incidents, but you can stop individual ones. No need to get into specifics... Gun control seems to be one of the issues that people are completely unable to be reasonable about.
     
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    What gun control legislation will?





     
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    Who's not being reasonable about gun control? Seems like both sides have valid arguments. It is just an issue that people feel strongly about so neither side is willing to budge. Doesn't mean each side isn't being reasonable.
     
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    Yes, people can make anything out of anything.

    I think that has nearly zero relevance in discussion of gun control.

    Fun videos though :)
     
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    I have found most gun control debates end badly. I've been called every name in the book, a liberal gun hating snowflake etc. etc.… Despite the fact that I own guns, shoot guns, enjoy guns. It just usually boils down to emotional nonsense.
     
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    I mean, you can't legislate pipes. You can 3D laser print functioning guns now.

    What possible legislation could you enact that would get both legal gun owners (the vast majority) and ILLEGAL gun owners (a minority, but still get lumped in with the former group) to turn in their guns?

    I'm curious. Stricter gun laws? So you want to put more people in jail? That's not very liberal. You gonna offer me a reward? Turn in my Glock and you're going to pay me 1/3 of what I can sell it on the street for? No thanks, I'll wait til every other sap turns theirs in and sell mine for 10X what I paid for it. You going to stop me from walking across the border and buying them off the black market? You going to stop me from making my own?

    Guns certainly weren't an issue when our government was handing them out to the cartels just a few years ago.
     
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    Not worth it, I think. Another day maybe :). Your idea of what is liberal and what is not is a little strange though ;-)
     
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    All good... I've got volleyball until 8:30 anyway. :)

    If you can think of any legislation.... ANY at all, that you think could get both legal and illegal gun owners to turn in their weapons, I'm all ears.

    But as it stands now, only legal gun owners will abide by laws. Like they always have. Criminals will break the law, no matter what it says. Like they always have.
     
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    Nothing is going to get me to give up my guns. Shit, I carry more and more often now than ever before. And it's for the reasons above. People who break the law don't care about gun control. Incidents like today aren't impacted by gun control. I will protect myself and my family out in public or in my home.
     
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    If you want to take this beyond one crazy man and make broad generalizations then go for it. I think its pretty obvious that that never goes anywhere good, but you do you. Next time an abortion clinic gets shot up you should be fine with the left doing the same.
     
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    I think both sides are unreasonable. I am a gun owner, but cant stand the NRA, nor can I stand the far left. Both sides push so far that a compromise looks more favorable for their cause, all while not realizing that pushing so far means the odds of a compromise go way down..
     
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    This. The more that carry the better. Keep doing your part snu
     
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    In every situation?
     
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    Yup.
     
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