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Emmert is correct (never thought I'd say that) that 50 different states with 50 different laws would be a shit show, that's why it needs to be a federal mandate. NCAA is powerless on this, they will have to relent, because all states will continue to follow suit regardless of federal intervention. If they don't comply they will be the ones losing money, and we all know the only thing the NCAA is about is money. Nonprofit organization, LOLZ...
 
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lurkeraspect84 said:
Holy f6cktibles batman, this is huge.
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Lurker, as we discussed last night, this could be the ending of the NCAA as we know it. Big rich states will want to keep the talent in its borders and will end things as we currently know them. Additionally the appearances of 51 sets of law will make it impossible to hold things together.
 
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Bert Higginbotha said:
Lurker, as we discussed last night, this could be the ending of the NCAA as we know it. Big rich states will want to keep the talent in its borders and will end things as we currently know them. Additionally the appearances of 51 sets of law will make it impossible to hold things together.
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You did call it prior to this morning's revelation. It was a good run for UK as we...knew it.

It is kind of nuts we went in depth about this just last night, and here we are hours later. I kept saying UK fans will buy autographs, memorabilia etc, and you kept saying it won't matter.
 
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Romney is 17 years older than Bilas. Yet they look like they could have been high school classmates.

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I say screw the ncaa. Create Tier 1, 2 and 3 pro am teams for colleges. Tier 1 has the ability to pay more, 2 less, 3 lesser. Cap each team and the revenues for each tier are spread amongst the teams. Let players receive compensation for their likeness. Players can play for the teams for up to 6 years.

Combine all 3 tiers for the final tournament of the year.

But players must be in good standing with the educational requirements.
 
@IUfanBorden You've always been a proponent to/for the NCAA.

Soon we'll have San Deigo St U winning and title and they'll dismiss all the previous accolades under the guise of "modern era". "No one cares about your grandpa's achievements". "Coach K and Cal were yesteryear".Isn't that what we do with 3 point line/64 team NCAA? As it changes, the braggin rights will change. SDSU fans couldn't care less, just as wussies today don't care about restarting history at a convenient time. "But wait, that's different" Laughing GTFO
 
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and posters say the senators won't get involved if teams get snubbed for the CFB Playoffs. because the have other things to do,

forget the bag men as now they can just hand over a couple grand and say its for the players services before he plays a game,

gee a half mil for a kids autogragh, a mil for using his likeness,

what about the kids that play for teams like Valpo from the MVC, or Illinois State. how much do they get, 50,000 thousand or a lousy 100 dollars,

now the best athletes will go to the highest bidder, the NCAA only recourse and the universities will be to stop providing scholarship

pay them then charge the for everything they get FOR FREE.
Tuition
food
rooms
medical bills
utilities
transportation to and from the games
lodging for away games
food and lodging for the bowl game.

or better yet let the BB Players paying for their food and lodging during preseason tourney's and the NCAAT, NIT and the other post season tournies,

somebody needs to inform these politician exactly what these poor athletes get, while on scholarship.

all thesev that want to pay more to these athletes have no clue has to how much they really receive/get out of those scholarships,

for example. the non scholarship students have to pay
at least 250 dollars a month and that's if they split the rent with 2 others
electric, gas and sewer
food bills can get expensive when you consider how much and what those Athelete eat. [Kentucky provide Condo's and a private chef who is on the premises and will cook at any time of the day or night and ANYTHING they want, they get away with it because a non athlete lives there. that could cost up to $5,000 a month,

that is just a small sample of bennie's that these athletes DON'T HAVE to pay for while on scholarships.
 
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food bills can get expensive when you consider how much and what those Athelete eat. [Kentucky provide Condo's and a private chef who is on the premises and will cook at any time of the day or night and ANYTHING they want, they get away with it because a non athlete lives there. that could cost up to $5,000 a month,
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You almost had me until you went all crazy with hyperbole.

UK players don't have condo's. They do have a private chef, but 5k? come on. Wildcat Lodge is behind the times (roommates share bathrooms). KU, Oklahoma St, Oregon, and many other schools have left us in the dust. We have a small building that does room some other students (its a rule change which UK "forced" back in the 70's) But using UK as the example here is not the way to go. Sorry, I just laugh at 5k a month. Give me a link and I'll take you serious.
 
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lurkeraspect84 said:
You almost had me until you went all crazy with hyperbole.

UK players don't have condo's. They do have a private chef, but 5k? come on. Wildcat Lodge is behind the times. KU, Oklahoma St, Oregon, and many other schools have left us in the dust. We have a small building that does room some other students (its a rule change which UK "forced" back in the 70's) But using UK as the example here is not the way to go. Sorry, I just laugh at 5k a month. Give me a link and I'll take you serious.
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they are the 1st to come to mind but you are correct their are a number of schools doing this, remember these are private chef's on call 24/7 to fix whatever they want.

these Chef's are the best at what they do and do not work cheap.

the point still stands W/O Scholarships these Athletes would now have to PAY for this.
 
lurkeraspect84 said:
@IUfanBorden You've always been a proponent to/for the NCAA.

Soon we'll have San Deigo St U winning and title and they'll dismiss all the previous accolades under the guise of "modern era". "No one cares about your grandpa's achievements". "Coach K and Cal were yesteryear".Isn't that what we do with 3 point line/64 team NCAA? As it changes, the braggin rights will change. SDSU fans couldn't care less, just as wussies today don't care about restarting history at a convenient time. "But wait, that's different" Laughing GTFO
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No-No.....I've never been such. I said, the NCAA is much more important than people realize.

And they are.

Ya'll will see.
 
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Folks, the way I see it: this could be the end of NCAA men's basketball and football as we know it. (Title IX limits how the funds are spread.) Women sports must be protected and it is usually at the expense of basketball and football. So men can get rich in college but there is little market strength for women's sports personalities as we know it.

The initial movement of the crazy-ness was started by California. California is the largest and the richest state in the Union. The Universities in California don't win shit in the NCAA, not since UCLA, so what do they have to lose?

New York is a high population and highly rich State and they don't win shit in the NCAA.
Texas is a high population and highly rich State and they don't win shit in the NCAA.
Florida is a high population and highly rich State and they don't win shit in the NCAA.
Ohio is a high population and highly rich State and they don't win shit in the NCAA.
Pennsylvania is a high population and highly rich State and they don't win shit in the NCAA.
Illinois is a high population and highly rich State and they don't win shit in the NCAA.
Georgia is a high population and highly rich State and they don't win shit in the NCAA.

So why should these States not try to corner the profit from men's college football and basketball? Why should they share the wealth? Why should women ever get a dime from sports or a free ride in college?

The problem is that the NCAA was supposed to be an association of colleges that could organize and establish rules that college sports could be fun for the folks in college and the towns the colleges were in. Then they started to have tourneys and championships and the interest became national in nature. That made it big stuff. The NCAA became crooked as they began to not be the arbiter of fairness but began to pick and choose winners. So, now they, NCAA, favor some schools and let them get by with cheating while other schools are damned to NCAA hell.

The moves by the various states will end the NCAA unless things change. The NCAA has screwed the universities in the important states and now those States are stepping in to claim the spoils.

The NCAA as we know it now will soon be gone unless some very powerful things happen.

College sports; when an Alabama (low population and wealth) can compete with Southern California, is soon to be gone. All of those palaces in which Southern schools play football and basketball are soon to become rusty relics if the big states get their way. "COLLEGE" sports will go back to intramural sports. Yet the sub-pro sports in what ever sort they choose will displace the Universities in low population/wealth states. Equality will go away.

One of the big fall outs of this is what are the networks like ESPN, CBS, ABC, NBC and FOX going to do? They pay out billions of dollars to telecast college sports. If "college sports" end up being California, Florida, Texas et.al. then the money goes away because the rest of us don't give one flying crap about what Southern California or Texas football does unless it is presented on a national level.

Call me crazy but we have to establish rules where the NCAA can continue (fairly) or “COLLEGE” sports are gone. The Title IX rules may be the only thing that can save us.
 
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We’re coming to help these young athletes in the future, and the athletes of today, make sure that they don’t have to sacrifice their time and sacrifice, in many cases, their bodies without being fairly compensated.”

Huh? "Fairly compensated"? First off, just how do you do this? I'll get back to that. Now for the being "Fairly compensated" thingy....

Really? Look, NONE, ZERO, NADDA of these kids have to go to college. But they do. Why? Well, b/c its the best platform for them to showcase their abilities. Smart decision. BUT, its a decision. Its a choice. If these kids feel they are being exploited, or will be, then don't go to school. Go overseas. Play a year in Turkey....Australia....Europe.....Wherever you choose to go. Go to the "G" League. Those options are available. But rarely taken.

Why?

Because college offers the best platform.

On top of offering THE platform to showcase your skils, schools offer other amenities, such as, but not limited too...

1. FREE room and board
2. FREE medical care....
3. FREE clothing, i.e. team gear
4. FREE travel...dudes going all over the country, on the schools dime.
5. FREE exposure...ESPN, CBS, TBS, etc, etc...
6. FREE training

These kids are traveling first class....staying in first class hotels..

These kids have access to some of the finest doctors, trainers, specialist, in the country---FREE of cost.

They are fed, very well.

I'd say that's a decent compensation, for what---6 months of your time?

Then, after enduring the horrors of aboveLaughing----These kids move onto to the NBA, where the make millions..

How?

See above.
 
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I'm for change, but not this change. Way too easily manipulated. We as fans should be about $$$ reform. We are the reason ticket prices are astronomical...bc we keep paying them. Cap coaches salaries, negotiate a bigger piece of the revenue for schools....
 
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The NCAA provides Universities millions of dollars for more than just sports. They help fund scholarship, educational programs, research programs, etc, etc...They provide legal protection via law suits due to athletes, Title IX, EOE, medical....So on and so on.

Most importantly, they provide structure. This is overlooked. Sure its not always consistent, or fair. Nor does is often make sense. But its a solid structure that all schools must adhere to. What happens when P5 break off, make their own rules, leagues,etc, etc...?? Where does that lost revenue come from? And what keeps a school who gets in trouble, from LEAVING? Who writes the by-laws? WHo pays these kids? Who pays for the venues to host their 60 team tournament? Who trains officials? Where do you get officials?

And now, who pays for the non-revenue sports? The schools? I guess...I mean do you think Duke football can support their ENTIRE athletic program? I don't.

So I guess congress has the answer(s)? **** they don't have answers for their own problems.
 
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IUfanBorden said:
The NCAA provides Universities millions of dollars for more than just sports. They help fund scholarship, educational programs, research programs, etc, etc...They provide legal protection via law suits due to athletes, Title IX, EOE, medical....So on and so on.

Most importantly, they provide structure. This is overlooked. Sure its not always consistent, or fair. Nor does is often make sense. But its a solid structure that all schools must adhere to. What happens when P5 break off, make their own rules, leagues,etc, etc...?? Where does that lost revenue come from? And what keeps a school who gets in trouble, from LEAVING? Who writes the by-laws? WHo pays these kids? Who pays for the venues to host their 60 team tournament? Who trains officials? Where do you get officials?

And now, who pays for the non-revenue sports? The schools? I guess...I mean do you think Duke football can support their ENTIRE athletic program? I don't.

So I guess congress has the answer(s)? **** they don't have answers for their own problems.
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Ummmm, OK? I guess? Not sure I follow. Unless of course you are referring to how times have changed since 1950, etc, etc....Then I follow.


But not really. The NCAA is as important to said schools TODAY, then they were 50 years ago. A lot more, MOF.
 
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The NCAA provides Universities millions of dollars for more than just sports. They help fund scholarship, educational programs, research programs, etc, etc...They provide legal protection via law suits due to athletes, Title IX, EOE, medical....So on and so on.

Most importantly, they provide structure. This is overlooked. Sure its not always consistent, or fair. Nor does is often make sense. But its a solid structure that all schools must adhere to. What happens when P5 break off, make their own rules, leagues,etc, etc...?? Where does that lost revenue come from? And what keeps a school who gets in trouble, from LEAVING? Who writes the by-laws? WHo pays these kids? Who pays for the venues to host their 60 team tournament? Who trains officials? Where do you get officials?

And now, who pays for the non-revenue sports? The schools? I guess...I mean do you think Duke football can support their ENTIRE athletic program? I don't.

So I guess congress has the answer(s)? **** they don't have answers for their own problems.
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Do you not think the P5 schools could provide this on their own? The NCAA may do all those things, but that can be replaced with a more sensible governing body. Things change, the times have changed, the NCAA hasn't.
 
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BasketBallJunkie-UK said:
Do you not think the P5 schools could provide this on their own? The NCAA may do all those things, but that can be replaced with a more sensible governing body. Things change, the times have changed, the NCAA hasn't.
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No, I do not. I think some schools could, for a while. But the vast majority of P5 schools could not. Not even close.

More sensible governing body?

Who?

Times haven't changed. Its always been about the $$. Only thing that has changed, is the amount of money its now about. As in, players feeling they should be paid. Weird----Hardly, if fever, heard this throughout the 80's, 90's and even the early 2000's. But now its rampant. Why? Because of the AMOUNT of money.

And really, whats a new governing body gonna do, that in reality would be all that different from what the NCAA is doing now?

Pay kids? Great. How do you do that? Is a 5* more worthy than a 3*? I meanm last I checked video basketball games have bench players. How much ya gonna pay that 6th man, off the bench, who's dropping three's on the latest EA Sports game? How much per jersey? SO on and so on....

Its world that once opened, that those who opened it----eventually will wish they never did.
 
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Yet some people will claim the NCAA is untouchable and needed o_O
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NCAA has certainly made some missteps but what is going to happen? Schools come together and make a new governing body for their athletics? Hint they already have it. It’s all about the people in charge.
 
The way Romney phrased it would eliminate opportunities for more kids getting free college than it would help kids getting paid for free college. They way he phrased it is a college athlete should get paid for their time and services, not their fame or likeness like California allowed them to do. In his version they get paid for playing the sport period. With non-revenue sports taking the same amount of time for a player as the revenue sports, then they all get paid (Men and Women). While they do make good money, paying every athlete at the school is going eliminate a lot of sports. With Title IX it may end football all together due to having to find 85 women to pay now.
 
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The way Romney phrased it would eliminate opportunities for more kids getting free college than it would help kids getting paid for free college. They way he phrased it is a college athlete should get paid for their time and services, not their fame or likeness like California allowed them to do. In his version they get paid for playing the sport period. With non-revenue sports taking the same amount of time for a player as the revenue sports, then they all get paid (Men and Women). While they do make good money, paying every athlete at the school is going eliminate a lot of sports. With Title IX it may end football all together due to having to find 85 women to pay now.
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That is exactly the way I see it.
 
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This is going to ruin College sports.
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Yes sir. I don't know why these ass holes want to ruin a good thing.

I only had two children and they went to college in the 80's and 90's and it still cost me $130,000 in tuition, books and fees; not counting room and board. So a free ride to college is worth a lot. Yet the bastards don't think that that is enough and they are willing to ruin college sports to make their point.
 
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Bert Higginbotha said:
Yes sir. I don't know why these ass holes want to ruin a good thing.

I only had two children and they went to college in the 80's and 90's and it still cost me $130,000 in tuition, books and fees; not counting room and board. So a free ride to college is worth a lot. Yet the bastards don't think that that is enough and they are willing to ruin college sports to make their point.
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Sad to say, but some of the people here supporting this seem to be only worried about getting their college sports video games back. Sad thing is, once college sports decline, what's going to happen. No more college sports video games.
 
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No, I do not. I think some schools could, for a while. But the vast majority of P5 schools could not. Not even close.

More sensible governing body?

Who?

Times haven't changed. Its always been about the $$. Only thing that has changed, is the amount of money its now about. As in, players feeling they should be paid. Weird----Hardly, if fever, heard this throughout the 80's, 90's and even the early 2000's. But now its rampant. Why? Because of the AMOUNT of money.

And really, whats a new governing body gonna do, that in reality would be all that different from what the NCAA is doing now?

Pay kids? Great. How do you do that? Is a 5* more worthy than a 3*? I meanm last I checked video basketball games have bench players. How much ya gonna pay that 6th man, off the bench, who's dropping three's on the latest EA Sports game? How much per jersey? SO on and so on....

Its world that once opened, that those who opened it----eventually will wish they never did.
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As a rules governing body, the NCAA is terrible. Sure its about the money and the NCAA wants to ensure their control and socialistic ways over it. Pricing jerseys is pretty straight forward. But supply and demand should also play a part of it. The licensing and all of that is already in place.

As far as paying players directly, once the one and done are gone I don't think that would be a problem. College, G League or overseas. That's the alternative.

And the big money sports should have more of an input to the NCAA. All things are not equal, even in colleges. You have educators running a sports industry basically. Get better people to run it. You really think Emmert is worth 2+ mil a year? There's an old saying if you can't do then teach. NCAA needs to get some doers.
 
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BasketBallJunkie-UK said:
As a rules governing body, the NCAA is terrible. Sure its about the money and the NCAA wants to ensure their control and socialistic ways over it. Pricing jerseys is pretty straight forward. But supply and demand should also play a part of it. The licensing and all of that is already in place.

As far as paying players directly, once the one and done are gone I don't think that would be a problem. College, G League or overseas. That's the alternative.

And the big money sports should have more of an input to the NCAA. All things are not equal, even in colleges. You have educators running a sports industry basically. Get better people to run it. You really think Emmert is worth 2+ mil a year? There's an old saying if you can't do then teach. NCAA needs to get some doers.
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Real simple----95%, if not more, D1 schools would not survive without the NCAA. And that includes P5 schools. If schools decide to separate, the system would become uncontrollable. It would be a lot more damaged/broken, system; And really, its not that broken. It needs some work. But its far from a broken product.

There's a reason schools have not broken away from the NCAA.
 
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Real simple----95%, if not more, D1 schools would not survive without the NCAA. And that includes P5 schools. If schools decide to separate, the system would become uncontrollable. It would be a lot more damaged/broken, system; And really, its not that broken. It needs some work. But its far from a broken product.

There's a reason schools have not broken away from the NCAA.
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But the purpose of this thread is that the NCAA and college sports as you and I know them will go the way of the dodo bird (Raphus cucullatus).

I don't know why it is so hard to figure out that if college must "hire" athletes then the NCAA is gone. College sports cannot afford to give the athletes a free education but also play them and still support the non-revenue sports by also paying those athletes. It is just stupidity. Not only the NCAA but the sports networks that support and cover them will be seeing fewer dollars as most folks that follow college teams don't give a crap about the professionals.

I am an old man who loves college sports. If the college sports go away then I will not follow sports at all. For many it is that simple. So I hope that these stupid legislators do not get their wish to ruin college sports. They are total idiots.
 
Bert Higginbotha said:
But the purpose of this thread is that the NCAA and college sports as you and I know them will go the way of the dodo bird (Raphus cucullatus).

I don't know why it is so hard to figure out that if college must "hire" athletes then the NCAA is gone. College sports cannot afford to give the athletes a free education but also play them and still support the non-revenue sports by also paying those athletes. It is just stupidity. Not only the NCAA but the sports networks that support and cover them will be seeing fewer dollars as most folks that follow college teams don't give a crap about the professionals.

I am an old man who loves college sports. If the college sports go away then I will not follow sports at all. For many it is that simple. So I hope that these stupid legislators do not get their wish to ruin college sports. They are total idiots.
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I don't think this happens. Schools cannot afford to lose the security of the NCAA. I get it as well----The NCAA needs the schools. Of course they do. But the NCAA has more leverage. They have, yep------the $$$$$. The contracts...The endorsements---And the endorsement rights. Not to mention, copyright issues.

I'm no lawyer...Not even close. But I am sure somewhere in all the by-laws, membership guidelines, there so nice fine print that hold a lot of water.
 
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