This douche put Auburn at 9. Literally the difference between Auburn being number 1.
Kansas fans. Tell me about your beat writer Jesse Newell..
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He has us 8 last week. Moves us down to 9. Auburn had two road victories last week. One of which against a ranked team that beat the team he has 1.
AP voter who left Auburn off ballot explains reasoning: ‘They were right on the edge of the poll’
Jesse Newell of the Kansas City Star got "poll attacked" by CBS' Gary Parrish for leaving Auburn out of the top 25.
This POS messed with Auburn before
It has been mentioned that he uses Kenpom, which is just lazy AF and he should not have a vote if that's the case.
When it comes to his ballot, Newell just doesn’t look at the weekly records and scores and come up with 25 teams. He uses five predictive rankings: Pomeroy rankings, Torvik rankings, Sagarin, Team Rankings and BPI (Basketball Power Index).
Auburn is
Kenpom - 9th
Torvik - 7th
Sagarin - 10th
Team Rankings - 9th
BPI - 12th
Avg. 9.4
Auburn is
Kenpom - 9th
Torvik - 7th
Sagarin - 10th
Team Rankings - 9th
BPI - 12th
Avg. 9.4
Ok, explain to me how any of those rankings make any sense? lol
Ha, I can't do that. I just read that article, so I'd thought I'd look up the current rankings using his "system".
He is doing it so he looks like a genius Saturday.
I can only assume those take into account margin of victory pretty heavily. Our resume kind of screams top 3 no matter how you carve it up.
Margin of victory should only apply if the strength of schedule is equal. Gonzaga has 9 wins against quad 4 teams. I mean of course of the margin is higher
For shits and giggles, I did UK's rankings as well and it came out 6.6. He has us at 7 so apparently that's his way of ranking teams.
It’s a complete lazy way of doing things. Should have his vote revoked. Computer rankings are done already. We shouldn’t Even have a human poll if you are going to just do what a computer tells you to do. Especially following something that relies on margin of victory. A stat that only means something if the strength of schedule is equal.
The coaches have us #2 as well. I will accept that one much easier than some biased loser at a keyboard (like myself)
Imagine crying this much about a midseason ranking.
Act like you've been there, maybe?
Act like you've been there, maybe?
We haven’t been number 1 before so we won’t act like we have been. Good lord. Your dumbass can’t have it both ways. No voter should have a vote if they aren’t going to watch the games and just do what computer tells them to do. Their is reason the committee doesn’t even us kenpom
But it's a federal crime that they're not #1 on every ballot!
He should t have a vote if he is just going to allow a computer to do all the work for him. We have computer rankings. The AP poll is not a computer ranking. If you are to lazy to watch games besides for the school you are a beat writer for you have no business having a vote
This dude’s ranking literally mirror ken Pom’s. It’s as lazy as it gets
How do you know he hasn't watched the games?
What have you done? You beat a reeling Alabama team with 6 losses and offensively-challenged LSU at home. How does that scream "obvious #1" other than homerism?
You're the dumbass who wants it both ways. You cite a couple numbers that fit your argument, and then you want to talk about the eye test when you find out that the computer aggregate ranking isn't in your favor. 🤣
That Alabama team beat the shit out of the team he has number 1 in Gonzaga’s home state. Loyola is a top 25 team. Murray st. Another top 30 team. The issue with kenpom is it over valuing margin of victory. Margin of victory should only apply if the strength of schedule is equal. When one team has 9 quad 4 wins a margin of victory should not be factored in. Auburn has 13 more first place votes Than Gonzaga. It’s just laziness to go strictly off of a computer ranking that’s formula has a built in biased for team with lesser overall schedules
I said LSU is offensively challenged.
Alabama's win vs Gonzaga was clearly a fluke. That's a mediocre team.
They were up 20 most of the game against Gonzaga in Gonzaga’s home state. It was t really a fluke.
Who cares? The point is that a convincing win can still be a fluke win.
If Gonzaga and Alabama played again, Gonzaga would be a big favorite and would probably win by over 10.
Alabama soundly beat Gonzaga and showed they can soundly beat other top 10 opponents. You are totally discounting a team that’s beaten 3 ranked teams. Based on the Houston and Tennessee wins. Auburn beat Alabama on its home floor. Auburn only has one loss on the season in double overtime with one of our starters not playing. He is now back. You basically are giving Gonzaga a pass because they inflate computer stats by blowing out quad 4 teams if you want to just go off computers
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Stop whining. If Auburn deserves to be #1 they can take it this week with a pair of home wins over UGA and UK.
We probably won’t win by enough and Gonzaga will stroke two more quad 4 opponents by 30 and their metrics will move even more up. Newell probably keeps us around 9
Won't matter what he does if you take care of business. Auburn had 36 1st place votes to Gonzaga's 25 this week and are only 4 points behind them in the polls now. Last week they were almost 250 points behind and Gonzaga had 2 dominant wins last week.
I wish Auburn/ UK was tonight. I can’t wait. I am just glad Auburn homes games against Uk aren’t packed with that nasty royal blue anymore
Yes their will be plenty of navy blue. Wont be near as much Royal Blue as what their used to be.
I'd give up drinking for the #9 ranking.
Ok that is a lie.
Auburn has a strong squad this year I would not concern myself with rankings.
Ok that is a lie.
Auburn has a strong squad this year I would not concern myself with rankings.
I would have one extra drink per night to be decent this year. That is not a lie.
He's the "Kansas City Star's KU basketball and football beat reporter."
Why one AP poll voter had Auburn ranked 9th this week
Auburn was mere points away from the program's first-ever No. 1 ranking.
“This one takes the cake,” Newell told AL.com.
“Fans are passionate, and that’s the reason college basketball fans are great,” Newell said. “I get the reaction, and I can try to explain myself, but at the end of the day, people are going to feel how they feel.”
“You start with what we’re trying to do with the AP poll,” Newell said. “I think we all could have different answers, and reasonable minds could disagree about what we’re doing here, you know what I mean? To me, it goes down to two basic trains of thought: Are you trying to rank the best teams or are you trying to rank the most deserving teams?”
“They (AU) have the best resume in the country,” Newell said. “Nobody should be denying that, and I absolutely believe that they have the best resume in the country…. but right now, there are probably eight teams in the country that, on a neutral court, they would not be favored against. So, that’s how I do my poll. It doesn’t change. It stays the same week to week. That’s sort of the process as I go through it. As I said, I’m consistent with it.”
“I think a lot of AP poll voters, you know, they read the news,” Newell said. “They hear the people talking, they know where the narrative is headed, and there’s pressure to not get the kind of feedback that I’m getting right now. There’s pressure to make things a little bit simpler on yourself in your everyday life. I kind of got to a point where, if I’m not going to rank the teams based on how I think they should be ranked and what the best teams are 1-25, I probably should turn my poll in anyway."
“That’s just sort of how I’ve gone. I would say I’m a little bit surprised but also not surprised because I think, overall, the AP poll shifts or favors people voting based off resume — and that’s fine. If that’s the case, then Auburn should be No. 1. I don’t want to act or sit here and act like I don’t understand why people would vote Auburn No. 1. I get it. I absolutely get it.”
To no one's surprise, “Fans are encouraged to wear Orange for the Auburn All Orange game at Auburn Arena.”
Navy blue is also much better than that nasty looking blue UK wears. I am just glad poor UK fans won’t be able to afford to get into this one
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