Didn’t LeBron stfu after nearly losing his Chinese deals and put his head in the sand?I know he did things. But, he also said “Republicans buy shoes, too” for a reason. Not gonna get into a tit for tat.
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Didn’t LeBron stfu after nearly losing his Chinese deals and put his head in the sand?I know he did things. But, he also said “Republicans buy shoes, too” for a reason. Not gonna get into a tit for tat.
Huh?Didn’t LeBron stfu after nearly losing his Chinese deals and put his head in the sand?
Lebron didn’t start that trend. Gary Payton and Karl Malone went to the Lakers in 2003 or 2004. Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen went to Boston in 2007. Those were teams with multiple HOF players on them built through free agency and it was a huge deal when they formed. It wasn’t even that long ago.He definitely started the current trend as far as super teams go. No doubt. I don't have any issues with him going to the Lakers or back to the Cavs. One team wasn't very good, the other was his home town team. The first move to the Heat I will give you. Kinda weak for a superstar. But he justified it.
Completely different scenarios and you know it. The Boston big three involved a trade and Karl Malone and Gary Payton were basically senior citizens. Yikes.Lebron didn’t start that trend. Gary Payton and Karl Malone went to the Lakers in 2003 or 2004. Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen went to Boston in 2007. Those were teams with multiple HOF players on them built through free agency and it was a huge deal when they formed. It wasn’t even that long ago.
Eh? Super teams have been created for a long time now. Barkley joined Johnson and Majerle in Phoenix. Chamberlain joined Baylor and West in Los Angeles. There’s been a bunch of instances where an All Pro NBA player left his team to join others on franchise that was better suited to make a playoff run. Thinking Lebron started this trend means you just haven’t looked back at the history of the NBA.Completely different scenarios and you know it. The Boston big three involved a trade and Karl Malone and Gary Payton were basically senior citizens. Yikes.
Yep. And partly due to MJ-hate. Not gonna lie. Just know I’ll be on board when the next guy makes his run at the goat.
I’m not sure how you can’t see how LeBron started the current trend in free agency. I mean it’s not a knock against him or anything, so no need to really shy away from it. The modern free agency is what it is largely due to the Heat happening.Eh? Super teams have been created for a long time now. Barkley joined Johnson and Majerle in Phoenix. Chamberlain joined Baylor and West in Los Angeles. There’s been a bunch of instances where an All Pro NBA player left his team to join others on franchise that was better suited to make a playoff run. Thinking Lebron started this trend means you just haven’t looked back at the history of the NBA.
The only time you need to bring up Lebron and the super team/franchise bouncing argument is when discussing Lebron vs. MJ. That’s when it makes the most sense. But it ends there as there’s several other HOF players who did what they had to do in order to try and win an NBA title.
Also KG, Allen and Pierce had a HUGE influence on that happening. Unless of course you think Lebron is the first one who ever influence on what his GM did, lol.
It’s not over if he wins a couple more. Think he has a couple good years left. Pretty unlikely, but never know. Kinda got screwed this year.Lebron made a good run at it. Obviously fell short, but it was a good effort.
Ok. What is the current trend in modern free agency then?I’m not sure how you can’t see how LeBron started the current trend in free agency. I mean it’s not a knock against him or anything, so no need to really shy away from it. The modern free agency is what it is largely due to the Heat happening.
Eh? Super teams have been created for a long time now. Barkley joined Johnson and Majerle in Phoenix. Chamberlain joined Baylor and West in Los Angeles. There’s been a bunch of instances where an All Pro NBA player left his team to join others on franchise that was better suited to make a playoff run. Thinking Lebron started this trend means you just haven’t looked back at the history of the NBA.
The only time you need to bring up Lebron and the super team/franchise bouncing argument is when discussing Lebron vs. MJ. That’s when it makes the most sense. But it ends there as there’s several other HOF players who did what they had to do in order to try and win an NBA title.
Also KG, Allen and Pierce had a HUGE influence on that happening. Unless of course you think Lebron is the first one who ever influence on what his GM did, lol.
He definitely started the current trend as far as super teams go. No doubt. I don't have any issues with him going to the Lakers or back to the Cavs. One team wasn't very good, the other was his home town team. The first move to the Heat I will give you. Kinda weak for a superstar. But he justified it.
Lebron made a good run at it. Obviously fell short, but it was a good effort.
Superstars teaming up in their primes via free agencyOk. What is the current trend in modern free agency then?
As mentioned to you before this has always been happening.Superstars teaming up in their primes via free agency
Except it hasn't, though. As mentioned to you before. I think there is certainly a cutoff for superstar. I'm not sure where exactly that is.As mentioned to you before this has always been happening.
Also, in the last 10 years (just curious because I really don’t know) who else? Durant, AD and Lebron? When you say superstars do you mean future top 50 HOF types or do Chris Bosh/Kyrie Irving/Blake Griffin/Paul George qualify? Because history will look back at guys like that like youngsters today think of the Robert Parish, Alvin Robertson and Alonzo Mournings of the NBA. Multi year All Stars + a couple of HOF appearances but nearly forgotten 20+ years after they last played.
I think your argument is all the way down to “Lebron started the trend of guys leaving in free agency between the age of 26-29 who have been named to atleast 2 All-NBA teams and must have averaged atleast 25 PPG 1 season in their career”Except it hasn't, though. As mentioned to you before. I think there is certainly a cutoff for superstar. I'm not sure where exactly that is.
Its really not hard to figure out. I promise.I think your argument is all the way down to “Lebron started the trend of guys leaving in free agency between the age of 26-29 who have been named to atleast 2 All-NBA teams and must have averaged atleast 25 PPG 1 season in their career”
And even then you may not be correct but I’m not digging around to find the truth.
I think your argument is all the way down to “Lebron started the trend of guys leaving in free agency between the age of 26-29 who have been named to atleast 2 All-NBA teams and must have averaged atleast 25 PPG 1 season in their career”
And even then you may not be correct but I’m not digging around to find the truth.
I already figured out your reasoning when I quoted your OP.Its really not hard to figure out. I promise.
In his comments on Monday, James said Morey was 'not really educated on the situation' when he sent out that since-deleted October 4 tweet showing support for Hong Kong's pro-democracy protests.Huh?
Fair enough. Thought maybe you had a bad experience with him or something.
My nephew was a huge Bryce Harper fan & ran into him in Cincinnati a few years ago.
He asked him to take a quick pic with him & he was a total dick about it.
Told him to get Instagram famous on his own.
You know my political stances fairly well I would guess, and it didn't bother me. What bothers me is that there were people trying to influence Mike to vote a certain way because of his color. The doc made it very clear that Mike was being pressured to endorse a candidate simply because he was black. It was pretty disturbing.True or false. ESPN is trying to make a bigger deal out of the Republican buy sneakers too comment than it ever was back then or ever has been since.
You know my political stances fairly well I would guess, and it didn't bother me. What bothers me is that there were people trying to influence Mike to vote a certain way because of his color. The doc made it very clear that Mike was being pressured to endorse a candidate simply because he was black. It was pretty disturbing.
Maybe I'm the weird one but I find this odd. Who cares if the dude is an activist or not? ESPN just pushing that agenda.
True or false. ESPN is trying to make a bigger deal out of the Republican buy sneakers too comment than it ever was back then or ever has been since.
Didn’t really care about Jordan saying that, dude made it clear he didn’t want his opinions out there. He just wanted to play basketball. Different era’s of players being able to speak out, with them not having as much control over their destiny in the 80s and 90s like there is today.
I like how MJ explained himself. It was rational. Too many people these days, that are "famous", have followers that will literally repeat and believe anything they put out there. MJ saying he didnt want to support anyone or any issues that he wasn't well versed on, seems completely responsible. We live in a day and age where people try to force the issues they think are important on people---while being oblivious that those issues may fall way down the priority line for another.Bill Russell disagrees.
Russell was characterize as the angry black man his entire career. Mainly because he felt the need to speak out.
You saw some of it with LeBron who wanted to bring that back.
People were upset with LeBron for political reasons.
This hasn't changed in this country.
Like I said earlier it had nothing to do with politics.
It was the Struggle. What is Black Identity in America.
Some feel like no matter how great their life is it will never be what it should until blacks are treated fairly across the board.
Like I said in the previous post Helms thought pre 1960's North Carolina should exist forever.
Do you think it hurt his legacy?Wasn't as much political as it was racial.
Some felt Jordan turned his back and said that y'all's problem with Jesse Helms.
I don't know if Jordan could have helped Harvey Gantt win that election but it was a black man running against a Senator who to some represented an era that people in North Carolina wanted to put to bed.
More than that it was how the election was ran.
They told many blacks in North Carolina they couldn't vote. This was in 1990 and by a man who was against the Voting Rights Act of 1965.
Jordan had his reasons and most believed in was because of Nike.
It was something that I as a black man was disappointed in.
Not to most. It’s a column LeBron checked off but not MJ. However, MJ didn’t/doesn’t need it to be the GOAT.Do you think it hurt his legacy?
I didn’t watch it. I just assumed that the question was only being brought up because of the times we live in. I don’t think I’ve ever heard anybody use that against him but I’m not a black man who grew up in that old era.Are they talking about his legacy as a person? He’s pretty much the unanimously accepted GOAT, not sure how anybody could argue his legacy has any tarnish.
Wasn't as much political as it was racial.
Some felt Jordan turned his back and said that y'all's problem with Jesse Helms.
I don't know if Jordan could have helped Harvey Gantt win that election but it was a black man running against a Senator who to some represented an era that people in North Carolina wanted to put to bed.
More than that it was how the election was ran.
They told many blacks in North Carolina they couldn't vote. This was in 1990 and by a man who was against the Voting Rights Act of 1965.
Jordan had his reasons and most believed in was because of Nike.
It was something that I as a black man was disappointed in.
I would def put Wilt ahead of Rodman as best rebounder.Yeah, he was a North Carolinian and an African American and a Democrat asked to publicly endorse a man he likely privately supported against a man who is one of the more famous public servant disgusting racists in recent times. Some people would see that as something that is morally "right" and more important than money. Others think the money matters more. The sneaker comment was pretty famous, and might have meant more to an African American at the time than a white kid who was in their teens or whathaveyou.
It is interesting... was discussing the all-time greats, it is amazing how many of them played with other greats, and how that often isn't quite "accounted for" when we discuss what makes a good player.
Magic wouldn't have won so much without guys like Rambis and Kareem and Worthy.
Bird wouldn't have won so much without guys like Parrish and and McHale and Ainge.
Kobe wouldn't have won so much without guys like Shaq and Gasol.
Jordan wouldn't have won so much without having Pippen, Rodman who is maybe the best rebounder in history, and Kerr, who is the leading three point shooter in history, on his team.
Any time people discuss great players but leave out the entire "team" aspect of the game, or only focus on wins and losses (of which a single player is only technically 9% of), they clearly aren't getting the difference between a game like basketball and football, and games like singles tennis.
BTW, holy shit... Seth Curry is second ALL TIME in 3 point percentage in NBA history. That's amazing.
I would def put Wilt ahead of Rodman as best rebounder.
And his comment was off the cuff to a few teammates...hardly a public statement. I dont know the history of the two politicians in mind---but neither have the right to demand public support from anyone and than chastise them if they decline. I'd guess 99.9% of Jordan fans could give a shit less about him staying out of politics......in short, people attempted to use Jordans fame and influence in a manner he wasnt comfortable with, and than used it against him.
The impression I got was that Jordan just didn’t know much about the Senate race and likely didn’t care all that much about it. Not everybody out there is invested in politics. The problem I had with it is there were 1 or 2 guys in the documentary who seemed to take the moral superiority high ground over him for having lack of interest in that particular Senate race. I guess I wouldn’t really say I had a problem with it but that kind of mentality is just never flattering. I believe one of the men at the time immediately afterwards said Ali would be remembered forever while Jordan would just be a blip on the radar, or something to that effect. It’s like man you’ve got a lot to work on in your world if that’s your go to public statement of Jordan not endorsing the guy you want to win the Senate race.I would def put Wilt ahead of Rodman as best rebounder.
And his comment was off the cuff to a few teammates...hardly a public statement. I dont know the history of the two politicians in mind---but neither have the right to demand public support from anyone and than chastise them if they decline. I'd guess 99.9% of Jordan fans could give a shit less about him staying out of politics......in short, people attempted to use Jordans fame and influence in a manner he wasnt comfortable with, and than used it against him.