I'll say it again: FBS has to have a 25+ team Playoff to be as legit as NCAA Basketball Tournament

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Do you want a legit Playoff? (2 choices)

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  3. Idk, I'm a tshirt bandwagoner

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  4. I'm an Uncle Rico who remembers the days of not having a MNC game

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  1. UCFhonors

    UCFhonors Well-Known Member
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    That's math. 19% of the total field has make the Playoff for it to be legit. Here is the simple outline of 26 team playoff.

    • Each of the 10 conference has to split into 2 division. That's 20 teams
    • 1st round Last weekend of November: All division champions compete for conference championship in a game.
    • 6 at-large teams either get a bye or can be chose from those teams who lost their conference tournament game (don't really care how the at-large teams are chosen. Best record probably is the best way)
    • 2nd Round; First weekend of December: 16 teams: 10 Conference Champs + 6 at large
    • 3rd round; 2nd weekend of December: 8 teams
    • 4th round; New Years Day: 4 teams
    • 5th round; 2nd weekend of January: Finals
    I predict that by 2024, this will be FBS' playoff structure and the first legit & sanctioned FBS NC.

    #UCFacts

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  2. MajorWarren

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    And I’ll say again, it will never, ever happen.
     
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    Going to make this make this my number one priority. Woe to those who oppose me. I shall not rest, nor deviate from my course until there is a legitimate playoff, or I get tired of it.
     
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    Quick update: I'm tired of it, good luck.
     
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    The NCAA tournament does not guarantee the best team.
     
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    Thought OP had changed screenname/handle to I’llSayItAgain. Winking
     
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    I am Uncle Rico, and still think you would need a 64 team field for UCF to make the playoffs.




    Just kidding.






    84 teams.
     
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    25 teams? Then you give you a participation award to teams like Iowa, Kentucky, UCF. No
     
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    What if the best team in the country doesn't win it's division?
     
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    The NCAA tournament isn't legit. It's a farce. But it's also an apples to oranges comparison. 99% of the time in football the better team wins.

    Now Bama might be better than Clemson but if Clemson wind no one is upset.

    But if Duke had lost to Butler on that last second shot, we all accept the victory and their title, but no one believes Butler is the better team.


    Basketball needs to take a page from football and protect the legitimate best teams and quit worrying about protecting the MAAC and OVC teams.

    Conversely, football needs to expand because there aren't even enough spots for all major conference champions, much less the handful of runner ups who might be better than another conference champ. Georgia and Alabama absolutely deserved to be in, but Southern Cal and Ohio State should have been in the mix too.



    TL;DR: Basketball and football are on two opposite extremes of postseason stupidity. Both need to be fixed.
     
  12. UCFhonors

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    Not sure how you can be the best team in the Nation when you're not the best in a division. But they would still get a chance at one of the 6 At-Large bid in the 26 team playoff model.

    #UCFacts

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    Nothing does
     
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    So you're saying NCCA basketball needs 7 game series and FBS needs needs 70 team playoff to match the NFL admittance rate?

    In Football, the better team wins 100% of the time. Allow me to remind you:

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    #UCFacts

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  15. UCFhonors

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    Oh how nihilistic of you both. You should post more about how nothing matters or nothing can be determined. The irony is delicious.

    #UCFacts

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    The point being the "best team" will never be guaranteed to win a playoff and that shouldn't be the goal.
     
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    What should be the goal then?

    #UCFacts

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    Make sure playoff births are earned by on-field results, not based on a selection committee.

    Make sure the playoff has representation from all the conferences.
     
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    Well, it took 100+ years to get to a four team playoff so I am guessing we can get to a "legit" 25 teams in the next year or two.
     
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    Nothing does. It is not about the best team.
     
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    I've told everyone what will happen of you start trying to expand it. For every round that's another layer of redundancy. You are talking 25 teams? Make it 32. That's 4 layers of redundancy meaning you are opening the door to a four-loss national champion.
    FWIW, I'm down with eight. I think eight would be ok simple reason that we can subdivide FBS into 8 conferences of 16 teams without altering the paradigm. 8 works. I don't like playoffs, I think most kids are probably thinking vacation by December.
    Simply because it suits you doesn't make it a goid idea. I say take CFP. Leave out the NCG. Use the same method, no serdinds, pair the #1 vs #1 in the post-season NC.
    It's similar to the BCS but I think it would be a better way to organize it. Plus no redundancy. I think we need to keep it fair.
     
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    Determine a winner in a fair, challenging, and objective manner.
     
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    It only took FCS 9 years to from 2 to 16 teams. It’s amazing what can happen when there isn’t a ESP5N cartel in the way of progress.

    #UCFacts

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    This. It's entertaining but a lousy easy to crown a champion
     
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    100% agree.

    #UCFacts

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    5 or 7 games series do.
     
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    Alabama removed Georgia from the process, eliminating them, entirely. 13-2. Alabama lost the divisional title to Auburn, who, in turn, lost the Peach Bowl to upstart UCF, Auburn was removed from the process, entirely. They were given an 's large' bid to the CFP. That gave UCF a chance to lay claim to a minority share (1/6) of a NC. If Auburn wins, they lay claim to that share.
    That's CFP in a nutshell, and to your point the CFP does in fact grade the top 25 teams. Assuming you want a no holds barred national championship it would seem the best way might be to allow a team direct admittance if said team finishes in the top-25. But like I said that probably gives a team a third chance maybe even a fourth! Simply look at what teams records are final ranking. That will tell you if it's a feasible option.
    Right now I think we have something in place that works, I like the idea that a second loss (regulation) eliminates a team. Assuming that's the basis for inclusion/exclusion, then it is simply a given that Alabama would qualify over a two loss Ohio St. And that also explains how Alabama claimed a majority share of CFP.
    Georgia at 13-2 is eliminated. They're removed. Two losses eliminates in CFP.
    The unfortunate thing is UCF didn't get a second chance. That's disappointing. But there's always next year. So I'm ok with it.
    You should be, too. Nobody's taking anything away from UCF that I'm aware of.
    Most people understand they were a NC to the extent they qualified and were elieligible. 1/6.
    That's not me pandering to the masses. That's a fact based entirely upon reality.
     
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    The best or better team may be more likely to win but competition is still not about ensuring that the best team does win. Being a better team is a competitive advantage only.
     
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    I actually like the idea of a larger playoff pool. It would be extremely exciting. However, 25+ is not reasonable or realistic. There is no way to add this many additional games (4 or 5?) to a season. Not to mention the fact that you would be including some very bad teams in that number. Some would have 3 or 4 losses on the season. In most years there are really only 5 or 6 teams that have had a season good enought to compete in a playoff for a chance at a national championship. Some years there will be one or two more. Some years there will be one or two less. 25 is crazy. As an aside, I also agree with you that UCF was good enought to be in a playoff this year if there would h ave been 6 spots.
     
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    Why do we never hear about those "impossibilities" in the 24 team FCS playoff?

    Prior to 2006 the FCS was known as Division I-AA before being renamed by the NCAA. The playoffs began with four teams in 1978 and last expanded to include 16 teams in 1987. The field expanded again to 20 teams beginning with the 2010 playoffs. The field expanded to 24 teams beginning in 2013.

    #UCFacts

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    Yes, but there are existing criteria that will get you in. Win your conference and you're in. I realize there is a committee as well but there are ways to guarantee your entry, we have no idea what this football invitational is basing their selection on, seems to change to favor certain teams every year. That's my issue.
     
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    2 LEGIT, PLEASE QUIT!!!

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    Absolutely nowhere did I say any of that.

    #UCFakeNews
     
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    Not trying to be a smart ass but since you know the history maybe you can answer this because probably 99% of us don’t know or care. How many teams seeded 5-24 during that time period have won the national championship?
     
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    Perhaps not impossible but extremely improbable. The FCS playoff is 5 rounds long with the first round beginning in late November and continuing the through the first week of January. Conferences would need to ditch the conference championship games and at least three other games each year to keep the total games played to under 16 for those who make the final.
     
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    Guessing they don't care about how basketball goes about their business as they are completely different sports. I could get behind 6 or 8, but 26? come on.
     
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    Nope - no need to eliminate the CCG & 3 other games. Lets do the Math:
    12 regular season games. 5 rounds which include a conference championship = 17 games.

    Just eliminate everyone's FCS game. Bam. We are at 16 games.

    #UCFacts

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    Someone grab a dead horse. OP feels the need to beat one again
     
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    Top 8 plus an objective system to determine playoff teams pretty much guarantees everyone controls their playoff destiny no matter schedule short of highly improbable circumstances.
     
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    Hmm. Not sure that math is correct. Is the conference championship game included in the 5 rounds of the FCS bracket?? That does not appear to be the case. Assuming a 12 game regular season and a 1 game conference championship that is 13 games before you start a playoff. The 2017 FCS playoff bracket was 5 rounds with 8 teams getting a bye for the first round. The non-bye teams would need to play and additional 5 games to win a championship and the bye teams would need to play four additional games to win one. As asssuming that a team plays in the conference championship game and does not have a first round bye, that team could play a total of 18 games. With a bye, the total could be 17 games. Therre would have to be a reduction in regular season games and conference championship games.
     
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