I have broken down returning starters(for each team) by conference

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  1. Digger1

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    SEC East
    Tennessee 16
    South Carolina 14
    Florida 13
    Missouri 13
    Georgia 12
    Vanderbilt 12
    Kentucky 10

    SEC West
    LSU 16
    Auburn 14
    Ole Miss 13
    Alabama 12
    Arkansas 12
    Texas A&M 11
    Miss State 11

    Big 10 East
    MSU 17
    Indiana 14
    OSU 13
    Michigan 13
    Rutgers 13
    PSU 12
    Maryland 10

    Big 10 West
    Illinois 17
    Minnesota 16
    Nebraska 13
    Wisconsin 12
    Northwestern 12
    Purdue 12
    Iowa 10

    Pac 12 North
    Oregon 17
    OSU 16
    WSU 13
    Cal 11
    Washington 9
    Stanford 9

    Pac 12 South
    UCLA 19
    ASU 15
    Arizona 15
    Utah 14
    USC 11
    Colorado 11

    ACC Atlantic
    FSU 16
    Louisville 16
    Syracuse 13
    Clemson 12
    Wake Forest 12
    NC State 11
    Boston College 9

    ACC Coastal
    Virginia Tech 16
    Virginia 14
    North Carolina 14
    Miami 12
    Duke 12
    Pitt 11
    Georgia Tech 9

    Big 12
    ISU 16
    Baylor 15
    KSU 14
    Texas Tech 13
    Oklahoma 12
    TCU 12
    OSU 12
    Kansas 10
    West Virginia 9
    Texas 8

    AAC East
    UConn 16
    USF 15
    Cincinnati 14
    Temple 14
    ECU 14
    UCF 13

    AAC West
    SMU 16
    Memphis 14
    Tulsa 14
    Tulane 13
    Houston 12
    Navy 9

    MWC Mountain
    Air Force 14
    Boise State 13
    Wyoming 11
    CSU 11
    New Mexico 10
    Utah State 9

    MWC West
    Hawaii 18
    UNLV 13
    San Jose State 13
    San Diego State 12
    Nevada 11
    Fresno State 9

    MAC East
    Kent State 15
    Bowling Green 12
    Ohio 10
    Miami,OH 10
    Akron 10
    Buffalo 8

    MAC West
    WMU 17
    Ball State 17
    NIU 13
    Toledo 11
    CMU 11
    EMU 10

    C-USA East
    FIU 16
    WKU 16
    Marshall 14
    FAU 13
    Charlotte 12
    MTSU 11
    ODU 9

    C-USA West
    Southern Miss 16
    North Texas 13
    UTSA 13
    Rice 12
    Louisiana Tech 11
    UTEP 11
    UAB 8



    Sun Belt East
    App State 16
    Coastal Carolina 15
    Georgia Southern 14
    Georgia State 14
    Troy 13

    SBC West
    Texas State 19
    ULL 15
    ULM 15
    Arkansas State 13
    South Alabama 13

    Independents
    BYU 17
    Liberty 15
    New Mexico State 14
    Notre Dame 13
    Army 11
    UMass 8
     
  2. Zgeo

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    Sometimes a freshman rookie is just plain better than a senior...Adrain Peterson , Tommie Harris, Gerald McCoy, Leroy Selmon.....
     
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    No shoot Sherlock. Sky is blue. Unless you live in the dust bowl.
     
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    Point is returning starters is meaningless, if you recruit well especially on defense...
     
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    Gamecocks started a lot of guys last year on D that shouldn't have been playing at all. Worst year for injuries I can remember.
     
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    Point is Utah State coming off a great year with only 2 returning starters on offense.
     
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    But all their coaches left..

    Look at Mississippi St last year.

    You are promoting a system that has flaws
     
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    Returning starters is so overblown. We 'lost' 3 starting receivers but in reality we played 3 more just as much. We 'lost' a starting corner but rotated with 2 others that return.
     
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    Returning starters is something experts look at. And its something dummies always say doesnt matter.
     
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    Yet these experts consider a returning RG to be on the same level as QB.

    Starters don't matter at certain positions.
    RB, WR and DL.
    Those three rotate. Snaps are more important on the DL.

    Very simplistic and hasn't proven to work.
     
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    This is why you study the 4 deep at all 22 positions for all 130 teams in Phils mag. Plus its why you look at the national commit database 3 times a day for every new commit(and decommit) in the country. You really dont think I know all about Olave,Victor, preseason All American Hill,Wilson,etc? Cmon. I'm glad your happy Parris,Johnnie,and McLaurin are gone. Michigan WR corps maybe passed you.
     
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    Another fallacy.

    Recruiting rankings isn't the best way to grade players.
    People who add recruiting rankings into their system obviously don't understand the sport.
     
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    I dont have a system.
     
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    You are the only person who has brought up recruiting rankings.
     
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    Yet you take this as the gospel truth.

    There are huge errors. I wouldn't even call these people experts.
    They use simple data to rank teams. The data in itself is flawed. Plus what they use as data. The one you posted earlier in the week says he includes recruiting rankings. Recruiting rankings have gotten better but they aren't 100% correct. Don't even think they are 50%.
    Look at Rondale Moore. They would still considered numerous WRs better than Moore.
     
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    Brad Powers

    This early set of power ratings takes into consideration the amount of returning production, the number of returning starters and other key factors (turnovers, close wins/losses, recruiting, etc). As soon as I finish my position "up/downs" for each team...I'll post my next set of ratings in early July.
     
  17. Digger1

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    I seriously dont know what your talking about. Because I do my homework on knowing who the personnel and players are accross the country for all 130 teams I have a system? And my system is flawed? LOL.
     
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    Looking forward to #1 ranked James Madison and their 19 returning starters taking on West Virginia and their 9 returning starters on Aug 31. New head coach for both squads.
     
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    With sites like PFF tracking snaps for each player now, it’d be interesting to see returning snaps.

    But returning starters is a pretty good proxy. And I find it hard to believe it doesn’t matter. Those saying it doesn’t certainly haven’t made any good arguments thus far.
     
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    I have proven that Iowa actually return 12 starters by position. and they rotated all 22 positions between the 22 positions
    having 4 of the top 8 DL back, 6 of the top 7 LB'S Back 8 of the top 10 DB backs
    7 of the top 10 on the OL
    1 of the top 3 TE's back
    2 of the top 3 WR's back
    3 of the 3 top RB's back
    3 of the top QB back with a 3rd year starter at QB.

    this is how inaccurate these so called experts are.
     
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    Only 20% of teams with winning records that lose 12 or more starters have as good or better season than the previous one.

    But all the backups have had "plenty of snaps."
     
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    Isn't a returning QB something usually common with the 20%
     
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    for each team you really need to look at who is returning for each team for Iowa
    QB 3rd year starter Stanley
    RB leading rusher Sargeant
    WR 2nd leading WR in yards
    LT 3rd year 1st Round NFL pick RSJR Jackson [projected]
    RG 2nd year Banwart
    RT JR 3rd year 1st Round Draft pick Wirfs [projected]
    defense
    OLB RSJR Niemann
    MLB RSSR Welch
    WLB RSSO Colbert
    CB RSSR Ojemudia
    CB JR Hankins
    S JR Stone
    NON Starters that return
    DE RSJR Gohlston
    DT SR Lattimore season opener starter
    DT RSSR Rieff
    DE JR Epenesa projected top 5 NFL pick was #8 in total sacks in the FBS
    CB FR Moss who started 4 times
    CB FR Brents who started 4 times
    RB JR Kelly-Martin opened the season as the starter till he was injured and missed 6 games
    RB RSJR Young took over as the starter till he got injured and RB Sargeant finished the season as both the leading rusher and starter.
    this is why some teams don't drop because who teams have developed on the bench
     
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    Our lines are returning the starters, so saddle up. Not worried about the WR starters, I also like Justin Riggs blocking ability at TE. Feel good about our RB corp. Defense just gets better every year. We lose dudes and Stoops keeps showing why he had FSU's D #2 in the nation when he left. Not gonna lose sleep on D...he clearly keeps bringing in dudes.
     
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    The playoff will be:
    Tennessee
    Illinois
    UCLA
    Iowa State
     
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    I think the Bobcats have a chance too. And not THEE University of Ohio Bobcats either. I'm talking the Bobcats from San Marcos that beat Ohio 56-54 in 3 OTs in 2016. That was 1 of Texas State's 2 wins in 2016, a season in which they went 0-8 in Sun Belt Conference play.
     
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    What if the returning starters sucked?
     
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    Like their basketball and baseball teams, Auburn makes a run....
     
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    Iowa also lost 4 clear starters to the NFL draft, so we will lean on that when we lose to Northwestern and Purdue again for no reason whatsoever, after beating Penn State and Michigan. ;)
     
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    Yeah, it depends on if the players that left...went to the NFL or went to work at Progressive Insurance.
     
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    Dabo played 70 , players in the Alabama game , starters is just a list of names .
     
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    in 2017 these were the clear starters that were drafted
    1st Team AA MLB Jewell 2*
    1st Team AA CB Jackson 2*
    OLB Niemann 2*
    C Daniels 2nd round NFL pick 4*
    RG Welsh 3*
    not drafted but a clear starter walk on WLB Bower Walk on
    DT Bazata 3*
    RB Wadley 2* leading rusher and back to back 1000+ yard seasons.
    and yet after replacing all 3 LB'rs that led the team in Tackles. 2 1st Team AA and their starting center and RG. yet the 2018 defense ended up 6th in total defense. the 2019 team returns 6 of their top 7 LB'rs, 8 of the top 10 DB's
    4 of their top 8 DL.

    on offense these who return
    3rd year starter QB Stanley
    2nd year leading rusher Sargeant
    2nd year starter WR Brandon Smith
    2nd year starter FB Ross
    3rd year starter LT Jackson
    3rd year starter RT Wirfs
    2nd year starter RG/C Banwart
    other than the TE position 90% of the offensive players return and on the DL they return their top defender in DE Epenesa who lead the team in sacks and finished in a T-8th in the FBS in Sacks.,

    Ireally like Iowa being as good or better than the 9-4 18 season.

    again its not about the numbers that returns its more about WHO return, give me the returning skill player as the core of the returners.
     
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    here is a point that very rarely gets taken into account
    the class ranking coming of the players leaving
    2017 graduating class coming in was rated #56 and on down the line.
    2018 class coming was rated 59th
    2019 class what's left of them was rated 58th
    these classes are being replaced
    2020 class was rated #42
    21 class was rated #40
    22 class was rated #41
    the 2017 class was when they started getting US Army AA and the 4* players since 2017 by different services they have signed 4 US Army AA, 2 AA Game [formerley the US Army AA GAME]
    12 4* players
    these as underclassmen are starting or getting into the 2 deeps. as the walk on's, 2*'s and low 3* players are leaving the roster and are being replaced by the higher rated players. as FR, RSFR, SO's and RSSO's and a few JR's, RSJR's,

    while the higher ranked recruit are just getting started the other teams who have had higher ranked players, have already in their teams system.

    this means that Iowa with lower rated recruits have played above their ratings and are being replaced by players that are/were rated higher.
     
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    Jake Bentley is a returning starter that won't be starting by week 3. Kelly Bryant would have been on this list last year and we saw how that played out.
     
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    Yeah last spring I had Trevor Lawrence preseason 2nd team All Conference and some people I really respect on this board thought I was not very smart picking him to be All Conference.
     
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    How about returning production?

    As someone else eluded to, sometimes losses are a good thing. Hopefully OU's defense will prove this point.
     
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    found this on CB Moss. as a FR he started 5 games, recording 24 tackles, 2 interceptions and 3 pass breakups but is not listed as a returning starter,
    then there is 4* CB Brents as a FR started 4 games 13 tackles, 1 INT and 3 pass breakups that is not listed as a returning starter, there are others that started but are not listed as a returning starter.
    RB Kelly-Martin had 6 starts and yet RB Sargeant is the only RB listed as the starting RB.
    RB Young had 3 starts leaving the last 3 games to Satgeant has the starting RB and listed as the returning starter for the RB's.

    listing starters by who started the last game is very flawed.
     
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    Bill Connlley does that and Phil does as well.

    The Buckeyes return 9 starters on defense.
     

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