I hate the guy but is Draymond Green the most underrated player in the NBA?

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  1. 74gator

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    How could I refute that argument.??????

    Try this ...No
     
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    People have said he's underrated so much, it's actually made him overrated.
     
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    Honestly I don't watch much NBA or basketball in general. Just seems like Green is always on teams with stars that get all the credit and meanwhile in the background he's been a force.

    Now with Durant out he's somewhat on the forefront, and he's playing lights out.

    But really I'm not arguing, I'm asking. Seems like Green gets more hate (from guys like me who can't stand some of his antics in the past) than credit?
     
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    An outstanding "complimentary" player who excels at doing the "dirty work", not a #1 option type.

    I remember when he got drafted by GS and thinking "THAT guy got drafted?" Then he lost the excess weight, and the rest is history.

    Given GS's massive team success...I don't view him as under-rated any more. I do believe he shines more when GS is a trio rather that a quartet.
     
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    People who generally know basketball would say he was the reason why GS is winning Championships

    Without Green I don't think they win a single one.
    Even with Durant.
     
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    I wouldn't say most underrated in the NBA but he did prove to be someone to not overlook. He sacrificed for the stars on the team and took a backseat but damn he showed he has some speed and handles when called on for a guy his size.
    I can't stand the guy myself but he is a baller.
     
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    Yep. Durant is better obviously, gut Draymond is more valuable to Golden State. Durant really negates Draymond on offense.

    He's his own worst enemy sometimes, like getting suspended for game 5 in 2016. His emotions help make him the player he is and as long as he doesn't lose complete control of it, he's amazing.
     
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    Put him on a different team and you'll see a different player. Stats may increase (because he finally has to carry a team) but wins decrease... A lot
     
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    He does the carry the team.
    Putting the ball in the basket isn't the only thing about basketball.
    The Warriors couldn't do what they do without a player like Green.
     
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    It's easy to do what you want to do when Curry and Klay are your guards and KD and (sometimes) Cousins are also on the floor.
     
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    It is not. He has to space the floor, rebound and be a shooter.
    The guy is a plus player at everything.
    Curry and Thompson couldn't protect the rim.
    They can get a player who could but is not as good offensively
     
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    I'm not sure why Draymond gets away with all the dirty shit he does. I doubt he would have been able to survive in the 80s and 90s let alone the 70s.
     
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    He is this generation's Dennis Rodman
     
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    You don't think his job would be a little harder if he was on a different team? Say a team that couldn't space the floor as well and didn't have a 6'11" forward that could shoot from anywhere? Come on now. He's a good player whose impact is inflated because he has the most help of any basketball player to ever play the game.
     
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    I will say this I do think he is the backbone of the team with his toughness and will, he kind of reminds me of the impact Udonis Haslem made for the Heat as a vocal behind the scene's leader but a much more talented version.
     
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    He is a great player but a super goofbal. He is always fumbling the ball around like it is greased up he takes some bad shots but his ability to fire up a team is incredible
     
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    Warriors were still the Warriors before Durant came.

    Not really because most guards can shoot.

    It is hard to do what Draymond Green does. Very rarely can someone impact the game without the ball in their hands at that level.
     
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    The warriors needed Durant which is why they recruited him. They got lucky that Kyrie and Love were hurt in 2015 and lost in 2016. He was the one that took them to another level.
     
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    Durant is the most unstoppable offensive player in the league.

    I will give Durant credit where it is due.

    The success of the Warriors was because Draymond Green was inserted in the starting lineup 10 years ago.
    With Curry and Thompson the Warriors were average. When Green was put in the starting lineup they started winning.
     
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    Even if you’re a great team, if you think you have a shot at landing one of the best players in the world, you’ll go after him. They didn’t need Durant to win a championship.

    The Warriors may have got lucky in ‘15, but the Cavs got lucky in ‘16 when Draymond got suspended.
     
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    Draymond deserved to be suspended so I'm not sure how that is luck. Plus they lost with him in games 6 and 7 including the deciding game in Oakland.
     
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    He's among the dirtiest players, IMO.
     
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    Green is the heart and soul of the Warriors
     
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    Perhaps, but the refs swallow their whistles more in the Finals with regards to technicals. He definitely should have kept his cool and has only himself to blame.

    As far as games 6 and 7 goes, 6 was in Cleveland and 7 was now coming off to back to back wins and is a closeout game for Cleveland. It’s only speculation, but I love GS’s chances in a 3-1 game at home when Cleveland is reeling. But yea, we’ll never know there.

    Either way, the main point I was making was Golden State ‘needing’ Durant. It’s like saying the Patriots need a HOF receiver. It would make life easier if they had it, but they’re still probably the favorites without one.
     
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    The refs did swallow their whistle plenty that postseason. Draymond was lucky to only be suspend one game. You can't go around hitting people in the nuts and expect the refs to look the other way.

    I have no idea what happens in game 5 if he doesn't get suspended, but I hardly think it is remotely close to being a foregone conclusion that GS would have won.

    Obviously I disagree about the warriors needing Durant. I wouldn't have thought they were the favorites in 2017 without Durant. This year is a different matter considering there is no opponent like the Cavs when they had LeBron, Kyrie, and Love.

    The Patriots have won 5 SBs without a HOF WR in a sport where it is considerably more difficult to win championships. GS just won one without Durant against a depleted Cavs team. I don't think the comparison is apt.
     
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    Yea, we definitely disagree. I’ll never see a 73 win team that lost the Finals in 7 and won the Finals the year before as a team that needed a superstar to win another title. Durant needed GS way more than the other way around.

    I’m not really trying to crap on Durant in this thread, this whole debate started over who was more valuable to the Warriors between Draymond and Durant, and I think it’s easily Draymond.

    I admittedly don’t watch them night in and night out during the reg season, so maybe the majority of Warriors fans will disagree.
     
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    He's what's called an "emotional leader"..... he fills the role well, warts and all....
     
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    Because players today aren't willing to fight like they did back in the day.
     
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    We don’t.

    Draymond’s versatility is what allows Golden State to play their system, especially on D. He, and Iggy, allows them to switch on nearly all screens. And then on O he allows them to have five passers and ball handlers on the court at the same time, thus spreading the court and preventing traps on Steph—the way Golden State is able to trap guys like Lillard.
     
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