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Halfway thru the season, who are your All Americans?

Mgkcbb

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If season ended today, mine would be:

1st Team
Jaren Jackson JR
Marvin Bagley
Keita Bates Diop
Jevon Carter
Trae Young

2Nd Team
Deandre Ayton
Jock Landale
Mikal Bridges
Landry Shamet
Jalen Brunson
 
If season ended today, mine would be:

1st Team
Jaren Jackson JR
Marvin Bagley
Keita Bates Diop
Jevon Carter
Trae Young

2Nd Team
Deandre Ayton
Jock Landale
Mikal Bridges
Landry Shamet
Jalen Brunson


Love to hear your reasoning on Brunson being left off 1st team. He's at worst 3rd in NPOY race so far.

Brunson: 18.8ppg, 58 FG%, 5.2a, 3.3r, 1s, 1.4to

Carter: 16.8ppg, 42 FG%, 6.5a, 5.4r, 3.6s, 2.8to

Carter is fantastic, but Brunson's shooting puts hit at a different level. Watching him play it looks like he is scoring at will and could go for 30 every night if he wanted to.

Trae Young shooting from the logo is pretty impressive, but Brunson's post up game/abuse of other guards is pretty dominant in its own right.

And he's doing it for the #1 team which only adds to his CV.
 
Love to hear your reasoning on Brunson being left off 1st team. He's at worst 3rd in NPOY race so far.

Brunson: 18.8ppg, 58 FG%, 5.2a, 3.3r, 1s, 1.4to

Carter: 16.8ppg, 42 FG%, 6.5a, 5.4r, 3.6s, 2.8to

Carter is fantastic, but Brunson's shooting puts hit at a different level. Watching him play it looks like he is scoring at will and could go for 30 every night if he wanted to.

Trae Young shooting from the logo is pretty impressive, but Brunson's post up game/abuse of other guards is pretty dominant in its own right.

And he's doing it for the #1 team which only adds to his CV.

Jevon Carters Box +/- is 13.7 and Brunsons is 11.5. When splitting hairs between those 2, thats what I used. I would have no real argument if someone had Brunson over Carter.
 
Is there any doubt on the NPOY at this point? Is this the earliest it's been locked up in a long time?
 
Just guys putting up insane individual numbers this year. Hell Devonte Graham entered tonight averaging 18 and 7 and he's no where to be found on anyone's list. Those numbers usually make you a lock for first or 2nd team at worse.
 
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Just guys putting up insane individual numbers this year. Hell Devonte Graham entered tonight averaging 18 and 7 and he's no where to be found on anyone's list. Those numbers usually make you a lock for first or 2nd team at worse.

And it’s a crying shame. Graham will put up better numbers than some that make the list no doubt.
See his contribution last night to see how impactful he is. He only scored 16 with 6 assists but they all came when his team needed him most.
 
1st-Team
Trae Young, Oklahoma
Jevon Carter, West Virginia
Jalen Brunson, Villanova
Marvin Bagley, Duke
DeAndre Ayton, Arizona

2nd-Team
Devonte' Graham, Kansas
Landry Shamet, Wichita State
Miles Bridges, Michigan State
Keita Bates-Diop, Ohio State
Jock Landale, Saint Mary's

3rd-Team
Dakota Mathias, Purdue
Allonzo Trier, Arizona
Mikal Bridges, Villanova
Luke Maye, UNC
Yante Maten, Georgia

HM:
Tra Holder, Arizona State
Trevon Bluiett, Xavier
Collin Sexton, Alabama
Caleb Martin, Nevada
Shake Milton, SMU
Vince Edwards, Purdue
Wendell Carter, Duke
Mike Daum, South Dakota State
Devon Hall, Virginia
Donte Grantham, Clemson
 
If season ended today, mine would be:

1st Team
Jaren Jackson JR
Marvin Bagley
Keita Bates Diop
Jevon Carter
Trae Young

2Nd Team
Deandre Ayton
Jock Landale
Mikal Bridges
Landry Shamet
Jalen Brunson
Am i missing something on Jaren Jackson? I know he is a good player but is he 1st team all american good right now? I dont know if i would have him on my 2nd team
 
Am i missing something on Jaren Jackson? I know he is a good player but is he 1st team all american good right now? I dont know if i would have him on my 2nd team

nope, just a very odd list by Mgkcbb. No reasonable explanation for Carter over Bruson or JJJ over Ayton.
 
Jaren Jackson is far and away the best defender in college basketball and leads the nation in Box +/-. He is a first team AA right now in my eyes.
 
Jaren Jackson is far and away the best defender in college basketball and leads the nation in Box +/-. He is a first team AA right now in my eyes.
I show he is 2nd just a touch above Isaiah Wilkins. And 3rd in DBPM. Of course your opinion is your opinion. I dont put near as much emphasis just on BPM i guess.
 
1st-Team
Trae Young, Oklahoma
Jevon Carter, West Virginia
Jalen Brunson, Villanova
Marvin Bagley, Duke
DeAndre Ayton, Arizona

2nd-Team
Devonte' Graham, Kansas
Landry Shamet, Wichita State
Miles Bridges, Michigan State
Keita Bates-Diop, Ohio State
Jock Landale, Saint Mary's

3rd-Team
Dakota Mathias, Purdue
Allonzo Trier, Arizona
Mikal Bridges, Villanova
Luke Maye, UNC
Yante Maten, Georgia

HM:
Tra Holder, Arizona State
Trevon Bluiett, Xavier
Collin Sexton, Alabama
Caleb Martin, Nevada
Shake Milton, SMU
Vince Edwards, Purdue
Wendell Carter, Duke
Mike Daum, South Dakota State
Devon Hall, Virginia
Donte Grantham, Clemson

KBD would definitely be ahead of carter at this point imo. Perhaps there would be a better option than KBD but he is a better option than carter. I don’t think osu would come close to making the tourney if it wasn’t for him
 
Jaren Jackson is far and away the best defender in college basketball and leads the nation in Box +/-. He is a first team AA right now in my eyes.


What is Box +/- and why are you putting so much stock in it? Is that just short for the boxscore? If it is that's not a very good stat to use to compare players from different teams.
 
What is Box +/- and why are you putting so much stock in it? Is that just short for the boxscore? If it is that's not a very good stat to use to compare players from different teams.
Yea uses box scores and teams performance overall. From what ive read its not as dependable when measuring defensive players. Better for grading offensive performance. If you lean so heavily on BPM then Isaiah Wilkins should be in the talks for one of the All-American teams
 
Yeah for me personally, I value defense as much as offense since its half of the game so someone like JJJ who brings more value defensively to Michigan State than Ayton does to Arizona offensively gets the nod.


Especially when you look at how efficient JJJ has been offensively of late as well. Has a True shooting % over 70 in conference play(66 on the year). Shooting 43% on the year from 3. 8 blocks every 100 possessions.

I like him as a first teamer. Now the media typically looks at raw stats and dont understand defensive value so I doubt he actually makes the first team, but hed bw on my first team.
 
@WeAreDePaul Ive gone and given Brunsons numbers a look and they are just so elite I think Im ready to agree with you. Hes got to be first team AA with numbers like that.

Ortg of 139 on 24.5 usage with a True shooting % of 69 are some sexy ass numbers.
 
Gary Clark doesn't score 18 a game but he should be up there on any AA list:

NCAA Ranks:

Offensive Rating - 10th
Defensive Rating -2nd
Win Shares - 7th
Win Shares per 40 - 1st
Box Score +/- - 3rd
 
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^ Gonna be a heck of a race in the ACC for Defensive POY. Sometimes coaches/writers become enamored with the block shot category - and there's a lot of good ones in the ACC with Mahmoud, Chukwu, Lammers, Elijah Thomas, Koumadje, and Doral Moore. I would think that Wilkins would be the lead candidate for defensive POY, though, anchoring UVA's defense... we shall see.
 
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^ Gonna be a heck of a race in the ACC for Defensive POY. Sometimes coaches/writers become enamored with the block shot category - and there's a lot of good ones in the ACC with Mahmoud, Chukwu, Lammers, Elijah Thomas, Koumadje, and Doral Moore. I would think that Wilkins would be the lead candidate for defensive POY, though, anchoring UVA's defense... we shall see.
In the Big Ten, I think that JJJ is a clear choice, but I think that Matt Haarms would merit being in the discussion if he played more minutes. Haarms’ DBPM of 12.1 would lead the nation if he played enough minutes to qualify.
 
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