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Fluoxetine NCAAM Rankings (2019-2020 Season)

Duke definitely isn't in its own tier. We're good, but we're beatable.

Crazy thing about SF Austin, is they're currently 49th in the NET Rankings, which means they're just about a tough as an opponent as Auburn has faced all year.
 
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dukedevilz said:
Duke definitely isn't in its own tier. We're good, but we're beatable.

Crazy thing about SF Austin, is they're currently 49th in the NET Rankings, which means they're just about a tough as an opponent as Auburn has faced all year.
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Ha. They’re ranked that high cause they beat Duke on the road. All our opponents got that L not good for their metrics.
 
dukedevilz said:
Duke definitely isn't in its own tier. We're good, but we're beatable.

Crazy thing about SF Austin, is they're currently 49th in the NET Rankings, which means they're just about a tough as an opponent as Auburn has faced all year.
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119 on Kenpom, with a sparkly 171 offensive ranking and 99 defense.

But yes, about 40 teams would burn through Auburn's schedule without breaking a sweat.
 
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dukedevilz said:
Duke definitely isn't in its own tier. We're good, but we're beatable.

Crazy thing about SF Austin, is they're currently 49th in the NET Rankings, which means they're just about a tough as an opponent as Auburn has faced all year.
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Even UNLV 1991 was *technically* beatable.

Relative to the rest of CBB this year, Duke is an absolute juggernaut. We compare to a typical top 3 team most years but given how putrid everyone else, yes we should be in a tier of our own.
 
MrBaracus said:
You needed 14 more possessions to score 2 more points, on a night in which KU didn't have its best shooter. I'd say you can make an argument for KU above Duke.
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We're still talking about a game played back in November? I'm not even mentioning that game since it was so early and irrelevant to where both teams are at now.

Here's what Duke's done in its last 4 Power 5 games:

Duke 95, Miami 62 (Road)
Duke 88, BC 49 (Home)
Duke 77, VT 63 (Road)
Duke 87, MSU 75 (Road)

We've gelled into an elite team with Vernon Carey becoming the best player in the country. Duke is absolutely shelling teams now.
 
Denim Vest said:
Don’t really see what’s so great about Duke. They got the large child and Tre Jones but the rest of the roster doesn’t look that great. Haven’t really watched them but you don’t get your own tier when you lose to SF Austin on your home court.
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Why are you commenting on a team you haven't watched then? Duke is a deep team spearheaded by an elite PG, elite Center and a group of interchangeable wings that can burn you deep and play suffocating defense.

Duke is #1 KenPom by about 3 points vs KU, we're #2 in NET, #1 in Sagarin and #1 in BPI.
 
JimboBBN said:
Death, taxes, Nish going on a homer rant about Duke.
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I call it like I see it...with my blue tinted glasses. SmokinSmile

We've certainly deserved that praise based on how we've played. We"ll see if it continues.
 
bignish said:
We're still talking about a game played back in November? I'm not even mentioning that game since it was so early and irrelevant to where both teams are at now.

Here's what Duke's done in its last 4 Power 5 games:

Duke 95, Miami 62 (Road)
Duke 88, BC 49 (Home)
Duke 77, VT 63 (Road)
Duke 87, MSU 75 (Road)

We've gelled into an elite team with Vernon Carey becoming the best player in the country. Duke is absolutely shelling teams now.
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Which of these says “tier of their own?” Michigan St lost to crappy VT a week before. UConn blew out Miami in similar fashion. Everybody (but Virginia) blows out BC.

If your signature win is Michigan St, let’s not forget that you lost to a bad team at home around the same time. Teams in their own tier don’t do that.
 
01/12/2020

#1 (2) Duke [15-1]
#2 (1) Kansas [11-3]
#3 (6) Baylor [13-1]
#4 (4) Butler [15-1]
#5 (3) San Diego St [16-0]
#6 (7) West Virginia [13-2]
#7 (5) Auburn [15-0]
#8 (8) Dayton [14-2]
#9 (10) Gonzaga [18-1]
#10 (13) Wichita St [15-1]
#11 (15) Oregon [14-3]
#12 (9) Maryland [13-3]
#13 (18) Stanford [14-2]
#14 (16) Florida St [14-2]
#15 (11) Michigan St [13-4]
#16 (23) Colorado [13-3]
#17 (25) Seton Hall [12-4]
#18 (20) Louisville [13-3]
#19 (21) Villanova [12-3]
#20 (19) Creighton [12-4]
#21 (12) Ohio St [11-5]
#22 (24) Arkansas [13-2]
#23 (22) Michigan [11-5]
#24 (17) Arizona [11-5]
#25 (NR) Indiana [13-3]

Dropped Out: #14 Penn St
 
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01/19/2020

#1 (2) Kansas [13-3]
#2 (3) Baylor [15-1]
#3 (5) San Diego St [18-0]
#4 (9) Gonzaga [20-1]
#5 (8) Dayton [16-2]
#6 (1) Duke [15-3]
#7 (6) West Virginia [14-3]
#8 (4) Butler [15-3]
#9 (18) Louisville [15-3]
#10 (17) Seton Hall [14-4]
#11 (14) Florida St [16-2]
#12 (15) Michigan St [14-4]
#13 (12) Maryland [14-4]
#14 (11) Oregon [15-4]
#15 (19) Villanova [14-3]
#16 (13) Stanford [15-3]
#17 (7) Auburn [15-2]
#18 (24) Arizona [13-5]
#19 (16) Colorado [14-4]
#20 (NR) Iowa [13-5]
#21 (NR) Rutgers [13-4]
#22 (20) Creighton [13-5]
#23 (10) Wichita St [15-3]
#24 (NR) Penn St [13-5]
#25 (22) Arkansas [14-3]

Dropped Out: #21 Ohio St, #23 Michigan, #25 Indiana
 
fluoxetine said:
01/19/2020

#1 (2) Kansas [13-3]
#2 (3) Baylor [15-1]
#3 (5) San Diego St [18-0]
#4 (9) Gonzaga [20-1]
#5 (8) Dayton [16-2]
#6 (1) Duke [15-3]
#7 (6) West Virginia [14-3]
#8 (4) Butler [15-3]
#9 (18) Louisville [15-3]
#10 (17) Seton Hall [14-4]
#11 (14) Florida St [16-2]
#12 (15) Michigan St [14-4]
#13 (12) Maryland [14-4]
#14 (11) Oregon [15-4]
#15 (19) Villanova [14-3]
#16 (13) Stanford [15-3]
#17 (7) Auburn [15-2]
#18 (24) Arizona [13-5]
#19 (16) Colorado [14-4]
#20 (NR) Iowa [13-5]
#21 (NR) Rutgers [13-4]
#22 (20) Creighton [13-5]
#23 (10) Wichita St [15-3]
#24 (NR) Penn St [13-5]
#25 (22) Arkansas [14-3]

Dropped Out: #21 Ohio St, #23 Michigan, #25 Indiana
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Can you explain to me why you have FSU ranked so low?
 
fluoxetine said:
01/19/2020

#1 (2) Kansas [13-3]
#2 (3) Baylor [15-1]
#3 (5) San Diego St [18-0]
#4 (9) Gonzaga [20-1]
#5 (8) Dayton [16-2]
#6 (1) Duke [15-3]
#7 (6) West Virginia [14-3]
#8 (4) Butler [15-3]
#9 (18) Louisville [15-3]
#10 (17) Seton Hall [14-4]
#11 (14) Florida St [16-2]
#12 (15) Michigan St [14-4]
#13 (12) Maryland [14-4]
#14 (11) Oregon [15-4]
#15 (19) Villanova [14-3]
#16 (13) Stanford [15-3]
#17 (7) Auburn [15-2]
#18 (24) Arizona [13-5]
#19 (16) Colorado [14-4]
#20 (NR) Iowa [13-5]
#21 (NR) Rutgers [13-4]
#22 (20) Creighton [13-5]
#23 (10) Wichita St [15-3]
#24 (NR) Penn St [13-5]
#25 (22) Arkansas [14-3]

Dropped Out: #21 Ohio St, #23 Michigan, #25 Indiana
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Your rankings suck ass.
 
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01/19/2020

#1 (2) Kansas [13-3]
#2 (3) Baylor [15-1]
#3 (5) San Diego St [18-0]
#4 (9) Gonzaga [20-1]
#5 (8) Dayton [16-2]
#6 (1) Duke [15-3]
#7 (6) West Virginia [14-3]
#8 (4) Butler [15-3]
#9 (18) Louisville [15-3]
#10 (17) Seton Hall [14-4]
#11 (14) Florida St [16-2]
#12 (15) Michigan St [14-4]
#13 (12) Maryland [14-4]
#14 (11) Oregon [15-4]
#15 (19) Villanova [14-3]
#16 (13) Stanford [15-3]
#17 (7) Auburn [15-2]
#18 (24) Arizona [13-5]
#19 (16) Colorado [14-4]
#20 (NR) Iowa [13-5]
#21 (NR) Rutgers [13-4]
#22 (20) Creighton [13-5]
#23 (10) Wichita St [15-3]
#24 (NR) Penn St [13-5]
#25 (22) Arkansas [14-3]

Dropped Out: #21 Ohio St, #23 Michigan, #25 Indiana
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Looks good.
 
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01/19/2020

#1 (2) Kansas [13-3]
#2 (3) Baylor [15-1]
#3 (5) San Diego St [18-0]
#4 (9) Gonzaga [20-1]
#5 (8) Dayton [16-2]
#6 (1) Duke [15-3]
#7 (6) West Virginia [14-3]
#8 (4) Butler [15-3]
#9 (18) Louisville [15-3]
#10 (17) Seton Hall [14-4]
#11 (14) Florida St [16-2]
#12 (15) Michigan St [14-4]
#13 (12) Maryland [14-4]
#14 (11) Oregon [15-4]
#15 (19) Villanova [14-3]
#16 (13) Stanford [15-3]
#17 (7) Auburn [15-2]
#18 (24) Arizona [13-5]
#19 (16) Colorado [14-4]
#20 (NR) Iowa [13-5]
#21 (NR) Rutgers [13-4]
#22 (20) Creighton [13-5]
#23 (10) Wichita St [15-3]
#24 (NR) Penn St [13-5]
#25 (22) Arkansas [14-3]

Dropped Out: #21 Ohio St, #23 Michigan, #25 Indiana


The first full week of the season is in the books, so without further ado:

#1 Evansville [2-0]
#2 Arkansas [3-0]
#3 San Diego St [3-0]
#4 Ohio St [3-0]
#5 Arizona [4-0]
#6 Kentucky [2-1]
#7 TCU [1-0]
#8 Colorado [2-0]
#9 Stanford [4-0]
#10 Louisville [4-0]
#11 E Michigan [1-0]
#12 Ball St [2-1]
#13 Gonzaga [4-0]
#14 Oklahoma [3-0]
#15 South Dakota [4-0]
#16 USC [4-0]
#17 Duke [4-0]
#18 Mississippi [3-0]
#19 VCU [4-0]
#20 Michigan St [2-1]
#21 BYU [3-1]
#22 Utah St [4-0]
#23 Oregon [4-0]
#24 Georgia Tech [2-0]
#25 Cincinnati [2-1]
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A Rutgers team that Illinois beat, and another team in Penn St that trails Illinois in B10 standings. Interesting logic.
 
Why do you have SHU ahead of MSU when they have the same record and MSU won @SHU?

Maybe I fathom it if MSU won a close game at home vs SHU...but MSU beat them at their place.
 
fluoxetine said:
01/19/2020

#1 (2) Kansas [13-3]
#2 (3) Baylor [15-1]
#3 (5) San Diego St [18-0]
#4 (9) Gonzaga [20-1]
#5 (8) Dayton [16-2]
#6 (1) Duke [15-3]
#7 (6) West Virginia [14-3]
#8 (4) Butler [15-3]
#9 (18) Louisville [15-3]
#10 (17) Seton Hall [14-4]
#11 (14) Florida St [16-2]
#12 (15) Michigan St [14-4]
#13 (12) Maryland [14-4]
#14 (11) Oregon [15-4]
#15 (19) Villanova [14-3]
#16 (13) Stanford [15-3]
#17 (7) Auburn [15-2]
#18 (24) Arizona [13-5]
#19 (16) Colorado [14-4]
#20 (NR) Iowa [13-5]
#21 (NR) Rutgers [13-4]
#22 (20) Creighton [13-5]
#23 (10) Wichita St [15-3]
#24 (NR) Penn St [13-5]
#25 (22) Arkansas [14-3]

Dropped Out: #21 Ohio St, #23 Michigan, #25 Indiana
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Holy cow, Rutgers is doing that good this year? Had no idea. That means we have two top 25 wins... I’ll take it!
 
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supergreennole said:
Can you explain to me why you have FSU ranked so low?
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Strength of schedule. Only one quality win.

Kevin Bryan said:
Your rankings suck ass.
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Just like Kentucky.

Jaycg15 said:
A Rutgers team that Illinois beat, and another team in Penn St that trails Illinois in B10 standings. Interesting logic.
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Meh, the home win against Rutgers is Illinois' best win to date, they also have a couple of not great losses. The OOC counts too.

SpartanJD said:
Why do you have SHU ahead of MSU when they have the same record and MSU won @SHU?

Maybe I fathom it if MSU won a close game at home vs SHU...but MSU beat them at their place.
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Seton Hall has the SoS edge. H2H isn't weighted any higher than the other games.

SpartanJD said:
Butler still at #8 after the awful week they had? :eek:
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Obviously 0-2 kinda sucks but losses to Seton Hall and @ Depaul aren't that terrible. Those losses aren't weighted any more just because they are recent. They are still 15-3.
 
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SHU is 0-2 vs the B1G and the B1G beat the crap out of the BE in the gavitt games. I would also look at H2H if the road team won. Winning on the road leaves little doubt about whos better but that game was also played like 2 months ago.

But, alas, I don't find your reasoning to be all that bad.
 
SpartanJD said:
SHU is 0-2 vs the B1G and the B1G beat the crap out of the BE in the gavitt games. I would also look at H2H if the road team won. Winning on the road leaves little doubt about whos better but that game was also played like 2 months ago.

But, alas, I don't find your reasoning to be all that bad.
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That’s wrong
 
SpartanJD said:
SHU is 0-2 vs the B1G and the B1G beat the crap out of the BE in the gavitt games. I would also look at H2H if the road team won. Winning on the road leaves little doubt about whos better but that game was also played like 2 months ago.

But, alas, I don't find your reasoning to be all that bad.
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No one from the Big10 has beaten the crap out of lowly DePaul. 3-0 vs the Big10 this year, 2-0 on the road. 1-4 in the BigEast.
 
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fluoxetine said:
Strength of schedule. Only one quality win.



Just like Kentucky.



Meh, the home win against Rutgers is Illinois' best win to date, they also have a couple of not great losses. The OOC counts too.



Seton Hall has the SoS edge. H2H isn't weighted any higher than the other games.



Obviously 0-2 kinda sucks but losses to Seton Hall and @ Depaul aren't that terrible. Those losses aren't weighted any more just because they are recent. They are still 15-3.
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So if it is that, then why is Dayton, or for that matter, Louisville, ranked ahead? If this is computed then the model is very flawed
 
Meh, every model is flawed. Kenpom has Dayton #5, Louisville #6, Florida St #16. NET has Dayton #5, Louisville #10, Florida St #13.
 
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01/26/2020

#1 (1) Kansas [15-3]
#2 (2) Baylor [17-1]
#3 (3) San Diego St [20-0]
#4 (5) Dayton [18-2]
#5 (4) Gonzaga [21-1]
#6 (6) Duke [16-3]
#7 (7) West Virginia [16-3]
#8 (9) Louisville [17-3]
#9 (10) Seton Hall [15-4]
#10 (15) Villanova [16-3]
#11 (13) Maryland [16-4]
#12 (8) Butler [16-4]
#13 (14) Oregon [17-4]
#14 (11) Florida St [17-2]
#15 (12) Michigan St [15-5]
#16 (19) Colorado [16-4]
#17 (17) Auburn [17-2]
#18 (22) Creighton [15-5]
#19 (20) Iowa [14-5]
#20 (18) Arizona [13-6]
#21 (24) Penn St [14-5]
#22 (16) Stanford [15-4]
#23 (NR) LSU [15-4]
#24 (23) Wichita St [17-3]
#25 (NR) Kentucky [15-4]

Dropped Out: #21 Rutgers, #25 Arkansas
 
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02/02/2020

#1 (2) Baylor [19-1]
#2 (1) Kansas [17-3]
#3 (3) San Diego St [22-0]
#4 (5) Gonzaga [23-1]
#5 (6) Duke [18-3]
#6 (4) Dayton [20-2]
#7 (8) Louisville [19-3]
#8 (11) Maryland [17-4]
#9 (7) West Virginia [17-4]
#10 (10) Villanova [17-4]
#11 (18) Creighton [16-5]
#12 (14) Florida St [18-3]
#13 (9) Seton Hall [16-5]
#14 (13) Oregon [18-5]
#15 (12) Butler [17-5]
#16 (17) Auburn [19-2]
#17 (15) Michigan St [16-6]
#18 (19) Iowa [16-6]
#19 (16) Colorado [17-5]
#20 (20) Arizona [15-6]
#21 (21) Penn St [16-5]
#22 (23) LSU [17-4]
#23 (NR) Marquette [16-6]
#24 (NR) Ohio St [14-7]
#25 (22) Stanford [16-5]

Dropped Out: #24 Wichita St, #25 Kentucky
 
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Crazy to think 3 of the top 6 teams are from mid-majors. SDSU-Gonzaga-Dayton are all in the top 6 for KenPom, so not an anomaly. Anyone of those three schools could be a #1 seed.
 
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