Very different. Did you watch the video? The shooter was in his girlfriends face, he was the one that started the confrontation. The victim just shoved the guy to the ground and started walking away. Then the guy shot him. Two different scenarios, very different. I would never blame someone being jumped like in your case for pulling out a gun for protection. I’m guessing you didn’t watch the video.
Dang man. That’s messed up. To me, that doesn’t seem like he’s in any real danger. That ones is certainly messed up. To me, the stand your ground law should be reserved for situations where there is a real threat to your life. Getting pushed to the ground doesn’t even come close to that, IMO. He should go to jail.
He still might be charged, depends on what the State's Attorney decides.
They just need to change the law so that stuff like this doesn’t happen. That guy should be in jail for life.
He needs to be. Police should not be the ones deciding whether stand your ground applies. This man was shot from 8 feet away and not in a threatening stance at all. That is at the very least manslaughter, watching the video, I could see 2nd degree murder.
Hell, even people who are TRAINED sometimes struggle with this stuff.
I have a CCW and rarely carry, I've never felt the need to pull my gun when I've been carrying either. With all that being said, if you were in the same class I was in and saw the morons who were getting their CCW you'd probably want one too.
This is nonsense and you obviously didn’t watch the video. Guy was yelling at the victims girlfriend, so the victim shoves the guy down and begins to back away. No threat at all. He is then shot dead. Unless you’re telling me parking in a handicapped space is cause to be shot, because that’s pretty much what happened. Old guy should be in jail for a long time. This is coming from a pretty conservative dude.
I did watch the video. Verbal altercation has absolutely nothing to do with it, nor does it grant someone the right to inflict physical violence. Like I said, don't want to get shot? Don't go assaulting people. He could have just as easily gotten into the car with his girlfriend and left without doing anything. Crisis averted.
So you are saying parking in a handicap spot = deserve to be shot dead. Understood. I would hope any man would defend his girlfriend or wife in that situation. The coward got embarrassed and then killed the guy.
Exactly, the dude was hovering over him and didn't even flinch until the gun was pulled. The lady exits the car as soon as she sees her boyfriend come out of the store, too. Why? Certainly seems like an aggressive situation to me. Proven by the fact the the old man is shoved to the ground immediately after that.
No, I am saying exactly what I said. Stop trying to put words in my mouth. The dude that died instigated the physical assault. That is on him. You would hope any man would "defend" his wife or girlfriend by shoving an old man aggressively to the ground?
An old man that isn't doing anything but verbally bitching about some asshole parking in a handicapped spot? OK...
Yes, that is what I was trying to say. Likely didn't deserve to die, but it is justified. Shoved violently to the ground, hovered over, lady gets out to join the confrontation too, etc. It's a split second decision. Dude that got shot had his hands down by his pockets the whole time too. Is he pulling up his shorts or does he have a gun as well? Would you be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt? It's easy for the armchair quarterbacks like us to pass judgement on this after seeing a video multiple times. The reality is from the time the dude was shoved to the ground until the shot was fired took 3 seconds.
Agree to disagree. Nothing about that was justified imoNo, I am saying exactly what I said. Stop trying to put words in my mouth. The dude that died instigated the physical assault. That is on him. You would hope any man would "defend" his wife or girlfriend by shoving an old man aggressively to the ground?
I don't know what you're talking about, that video looks like the entire first season of Justified.
That’s the thing. Be a dick, and be prepared. If I’m the guy coming out of the store I probably open w an apology and then lie and say I’m just in a hurry, that my kid is sick or some shit, if they’re with me. And guess what? I don’t get shot. Of course I’d never be an asshole and park handicap, but that’s just me.
Self defense is a different story than stand your ground. I don't think anyone would argue using deadly force to protect your own life from an attacker. This does not qualify in the least as self defense. It is fringing on stand your ground.
I don’t think it’s a clear case. Just because you can notice the guy backing up on tape doesn’t mean the shooter saw it the same way. He must have still felt threatened and there’s no way to prove otherwise. If the guy would have turned his back it would be a different story.
It is a tragic situation. And I agree that it is sad that there is even the slightest bit of justification here. But the what if goes many ways. If we learned something from this, it is that no matter how justified we feel in physically confronting someone, you never know who you are confronting. Right or wrong, had he not pushed the guy down, this probably wouldn't be a story. Even though I think the guy should have minded his own business.
