Does Brian Kelly Win A National Title At Notre Dame?

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Does Brian Kelly Win A National Title At Notre Dame?

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  2. No

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  1. DeputyDodge

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    No, they don’t cheat like the real players in the game
     
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    I’ve only been to one game between the hedges... but it wasn’t football nor were the hedges there... but it was a great environment. It would be tempting to be there for the UGA - Irish game.
     
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    I know I'm biased but game days in Athens are great. Especially October because it's not too hot or cold. I enjoy college towns in general. Had many fun trips to Auburn as well. Would love to make it to Clemson, Tuscaloosa, and others
     
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    But according to one poster, that's a easy schedule....

    ND has played home and homes recently with;
    Ou
    Texas
    ASU
    NW
    Michigan
    Sparty
    UGA
    NW
    Has upcoming home and homes with
    Wisky
    O$U
    aTm
    Clemson
    Arky
    Bama

    Every year ND plays
    U$C & Stanford

    Plus ACC 5 games
    Clemson
    F$U
    VT
    Etc...
     
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    Notre Dame schedules a balanced A grade schedule every year. I wouldn't even waste my time debating that. You forgot to mention their home in home with Ohio State on the 2022 and 2023 schedules then Texas A&M for the 2024/2025 schedule.
     
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    Yes, thanks... Great points that I'll add.

    As for winning a Natty, it's not easy. Many teams have had decades long droughts. Clemson before this recent fantastic run was in 81
    UGA 1980 and counting
    PSU 1986 and counting
    Michigan a 1/2 since 1948 in 1997
    I think Sparty last, was a shared in 1966.

    ND has won 4 Natties in the Superbowl era 1966-1973-1977-1988
    Came in #2 in 1970-1989-1993 plus playing for the Title in 2012 and making the playoffs in 2018.

    Notre Dame has won at least 10 games in 3 of the last four seasons and back to back years. Worth noting, the current 2020 recruiting class has a chance for a top-5 recruiting rating. NOTE that when this class are juniors and seniors in 2022-2023, the schedule includes home-and-home series with both Clemson and Ohio State, in addition to game at, and home with USC and Stanford.

    Notre Dame joins the two superpowers of this decade, Alabama and Clemson, as the only Power 5 Conference teams to achieve two 12-0 regular seasons. What an outstanding, rare accomplishment!

    Under head coach Brian Kelly, Notre Dame has recruited well while finishing 11, 13, 13, 11 and 14 in the Rivals rankings with the cycles from 2015-19. When a school can do that consistently, it can generally put itself among the top 10 programs.

    Again; Notre Dame is acknowledged by the NCAA to have won 13 national titles (11 consensus, the only ones ND claims), or one every 5.4 years. That’s not including numerous other unbeaten seasons and/or No. 2 finishes in 1941, 1948, 1953, 1970, and as noted 1989 and 1993. Notre Dame fell off this rate significantly from 1994 to Today.

    Because of the current format with Notre Dame being one of the very few Independents left, the margain for error is minimal. A Undefeated Notre Dame has a excellent and well deserved chance of making the playoffs. A 1 loss ND, many factors to consider, but it's a very good chance. As we have seen, conference championships are NOT needed, Bama, O$U and ND have all made it without one.

    But to say ND plays a bad or soft schedule is not only ridiculous it's asinine.
     
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    I didn't realize I was asked to handicap ND's odds vs SC's
     
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    No.

    I think Notre Dame will be a top 10 program, but a step behind the playoff elite. Every time they play one of the elites, you can see the talent gap.
     
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    From what I have seen, the top recruiters among the elite teams can have strong, balanced offenses with top 20 defenses and win as a team. A team that doesn't recruit as well as the top recruiters (< 3.50 star average) usually require (a) a very strong defense, and (b) a Heisman-caliber QB. If the defense is not extremely strong, then the offense needs to be absolutely explosive.

    Notre Dame's defenses have been solid the last four years, but not exceptionally strong, averaging 40th a year in total defense. They've had solid top 30 offenses, but nothing eye-popping or a Heisman candidate at QB.

    Defense is a must, however. Going back through the top two teams:

    Year-----------------Champ----------Total Defense----------Runner-Up------Total Defense

    2018......................Clemson.................5th.........................Alabama................16th
    2017......................Alabama.................1st.........................Georgia....................6th
    2016......................Clemson.................8th.........................Alabama...................1st
    2015......................Alabama.................3d..........................Clemson..................10th
    2014......................Ohio State............19th.........................Oregon.....................87th (3d in total offense)
    2013......................FSU........................3d..........................Auburn.....................86th (11th in total offense)
    2012......................Alabama.................1st.........................Notre Dame................7th
    2011......................Alabama.................1st.........................LSU.............................2d
    2010......................Auburn..................60th (Cam).............Oregon......................34th (1st in total offense)
    2009......................Alabama.................2d..........................Texas..........................3d
    2008......................Florida....................9th.........................Oklahoma.................68th (3d in total offense)
    2007......................LSU........................3d...........................Ohio State..................1st
    2006......................Florida....................6th..........................Ohio State.................12th
    2005......................Texas....................10th..........................USC..........................48th (1st in total offense)
    2004......................USC........................6th..........................Oklahoma.................13th
    2003......................LSU.........................1st..........................Oklahoma...................3d
    2002......................Ohio State.............23d...........................Miami..........................7th
    2001......................Miami.......................6th..........................Nebraska....................8th
    2000......................Oklahoma................8th..........................FSU............................6th
    1999......................FSU.......................19th..........................Virginia Tech...............3d
    1998......................Tennessee.............17th..........................FSU............................1st

    Out of 21 years and 42 teams:

    * 29 of 42 teams had top ten defenses (69%)

    * 36 of 42 teams had top 25 defenses (86%)

    * Only six of 42 were outside the top 25.

    As ever, offense brings the fans and the excitement, but defense brings in the titles and the rings.
     
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    On paper, the schedule looks tough, but in reality, it may not be as tough. Last year, ND had to play Virginia Tech, FSU, and USC. Most seasons, those are three very tough opponents, but last year, all three suffered losing seasons. For VT and FSU, it was their first losing season in decades. OTOH, Syracuse finished with ten wins, so they were better than expected.
     
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    I see your comment about competition as the practical obstacle.

    The philosophical argument about ND not being in a conference was answered last year. They made it. If they win out this year, they make it again - unless there are four undefeated conference champions, which is unlikely.
     
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    You might want to see Notre Dame's recent history before waving that blueblood t-shirt you got at WalMart:

    Year-------------Notre Dame------------South Carolina

    2007......................3-9...............................6-6
    2008......................7-6...............................7-6
    2009......................6-6...............................7-6
    2010......................8-5................................9-5
    2011......................8-5...............................11-2
    2012....................12-1...............................11-2
    2013......................9-4...............................11-2
    2014......................8-5.................................7-6
    2015....................10-3.................................3-9
    2016......................4-8.................................6-7
    2017....................10-3.................................9-4
    2018....................12-1.................................7-6

    Total....................97-56 (.634)...................94-60 (.610)

    Number 9+ Win Opponents:

    Notre Dame: 47 (15-32)
    South Carolina: 50 (19-31)

    Not a lot of difference.
     
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    @Cavgator , agree with you highlighting defense as predictive of elite success. I'll give you a heads up on Nd defense in the most recent of the Kelly years. Kelly lost Diaco (2012 d coordinator) to a head coaching job. He hired Brian Van Gorder and it was a disaster. Two seasons ago, ND hired an assistant from Wake Forest who turned their defense around. He was quickly hired by Fisher at A&M as he assembled his new staff there. This dude's top assistant Clarke Lea stayed and took the Dc job at ND and improved upon his good work even further. ND fans are excited about what he can do going forward on that side of the ball. Your 5 year caption will probably net some uneven results with the first 3 years swaying poorly and the next two years swinging the other direction.
     
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    'NO'

    Next question...
     
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    Convenient that you randomly go all the way back to 2007 and the disaster that was Charlie Weis, just to include that disastrous 3-9 season. Especially from someone that always likes to bring up how the past doesn't matter as much as the present.

    Notre Dame- 3 ten win seasons in the last 4 years and a playoff appearance. (36-15)

    South Carolina- 0 ten win seasons (25-32)

    BIG difference, historically it gets even worse.
     
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    Lea did a great job last year, in his first year. However, we lost a lot on D (our top players at each level), so it'll be interesting to see if he and the D can match that performance again (9th in the nation in scoring defense).
     
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    My biggest question is at LB. I think they still have talent in the secondary (though Love leaving in the Clemson game and what transpired would say they don’t) and they bring back their top 4 DEs so the pass rush they discovered last year should still be evident. It’ll be a good challenge. I think the quality of QB ND sees this year is much higher than what they faced last year.
     
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    This is a good take.... If last year's ND had a Mayfield or Andrew Luck type QB who knows. If 2012 ND kept Aaron Lynch, and Oregon or Kansas st didn't lose. Who knows.

    For almost every Natty winner. It's a great team with luck somewhere during the season.
     
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    Agreed. DL should be our best unit. We return just about everybody but Tillery. LB's a big question mark.
     
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    I think Kelly is a good coach, and Notre Dame has had some great talent, the problem is, Kelly doesn't seem all that good at developing that talent. Seems like every year we have a QB that does great with their first year playing, then the next year they fall apart and get replaced by the next great QB, and the cycle continues. He also seems like he has a good defensive mind, but can't coach an offense. He just always seems out coached in the big games.
     
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    But they did bypass and ND doesn't play shitty teams like Austin Peay or Charleston Southern. Most conference championship games with an exception of a few suck, and some teams play the same team again in the championship game.

    Ohio State lost to a 6 loss VT by two TD's at home and they made it. They played 1 team in the top 10 all year. If ND did that they wouldn't get in and shouldn't get in
     
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    Which teams do they play are not legitimate?
     
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    They are in the Atlantic Coast Conference I'm still confused why they weren't represented to the championship. I wish they had been. That might have allowed say Georgia or potentially say C.Florida an invitation. I'm not sure I especially like how it went
     
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    Come to Florida state Brian.
     
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    Seems like QB is the Achilles heel of BK or Nd. ....they have the line and lab and DB and skill players other than QB
     
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    ND needs a Baker Mayfield type of difference maker at QB and we can win it all. If you look at Clemson, Oklahoma, Alabama, and Georgia they all have or have had elite difference makers at QB and won a title or are very close to winning a title. ND has the OFF line, Def line , DB's and RB's, WR and TE's who were all recruited by Clemson , Alabama, Oklahoma, and Georgia. ND's starting QB was not recruited by any of the elite programs and Clearly we are missing the the elite QB and that's where the talent gap is the widest and reason for not getting over the hump in the playoffs.

    If ND's starting QB in 2019 was either Jalen Hurts, Tua, Kyler Murray, Trevor Lawrence, Jake Fromm or JT Daniels (USC) at QB they would considered a lock for the playoffs with favorable odds to win the national title. Who knows maybe Ian Book will collect himself over the off season and take his game to the difference maker level. He had a much better spring but compared to the guys I mentioned above he hasn't proven yet to play at their level against the elite teams.
     
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    They should be admitted to the championship game if they qualify like they did a year ago after beating Pittsburgh.
     
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    I went to Athens to watch the UGA/LSU game. The kid was about 13 at the time and we had a good time. Nice stadium.
     
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    I heard they were taking an easier route to the a NC and hiring away several members of UCF's PR staff.
     
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    Why, yes...FSU HAS been money against the Domers, winning three titles since you last won one, and owning you head to head.

    Thank you for recognizing that with the dollar sign, fan.
     
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    o_O ND schedule wasn't that bad..they can't help like other that usually strong teams are down..as far winning a conference title to be in the CFP has already been debunked when Bama made it and they didn't even play in the SECCG..even though they did went on to win the title
     
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    Laughing very very bias comparing an undefeated team against two who had a loss..kinda of evens it out if neither of them played in a CCG..
     
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    RollLaughlets play devil's advocate for a minute and say that Clemson did beat ND in a "supposed" ACCCG..what team would you suggest take their spot..the only logical team to choose at that point would be Ohio State..UCF didn't have a chance even though they were undefeated and Michigan had just gotten clobbered by Ohio State.. everyone else had 2-3 losses
     
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    Lost, just plain lost.
    I think he does.

    While the ND faithful think that ND should be winning them like they did in the old days they have been in the think of things lately which they should be happy about.
     
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    Oh we are, I just want to see one title in my lifetime as they are very hard to win. After that I'm good for awhile.
     
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    I hope not :D
     
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    We do have an elite talent QB on the roster - Jurkovec was redshirted last year. He's 6'5" and has a much stronger arm than Book. But I doubt Kelly will replace Book, after a 12-1 season. Other than the Clemson game, he had a really good season.

    https://247sports.com/Player/Phil-Jurkovec-86287/
     
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    Spring game revealed that Jurkovec still needs much seasoning.
     
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    Not trying to be disrespectful, but No shit, Sherlock? Of course they are hard. I know that. That's why I amended it so only the MOST deserving teams EVER get there. (Not that many people really care about me). But it's worth noting, nevertheless the MOST prohibitive method is what ultimately ought to be applied a championship. Which is why I keep promoting relative proficiency. Which is why I consider it the best metric through which as championship follows.

    Yeah Captain Obvious I guess that's true but that year like LAST year says they were a true champion. 2016, not so much. Which is why I consider the championship more directly applicable to the team that actually merited one. Alabama. It seems clear to me that a team necessarily ought to win every game to be given a championship. Which relatively few actually ever do. But Alabama did. Including a title game (Peach Bowl) against Washington. That WAS a championship game and it should have selected a deserving champion and that probably ought to have been the end of it. But like the he old adage too many cooks spoil the broth you guys had to include an additional championship separate from the rest. Like I predicted all it did was convolute it further. Clemson wasn't a national champion in 2016. Alabama was. Proven by the dominance of Alabama in the rubber match. Even if I include the FCP title game it's clear the superior team in 2016 was Alabama.
    What an idiot. Do you know NOTHING college football related? Penn St 1994 was a legitimate national championship contender and wasn't it 2005 they nearly (but for Michigan) win another one? I think it was.
    Nope and nope. Yes Michigan 'shared' a championship but were almost certainly the better team that year. The reason they split it was because I believe it was Tennessee Nebraska beat in the Orange Bowl. But Nebraska almost nearly lost to Missouri 7-5 I believe, that year, including losing to Colorado St in the Holiday Bowl. A team I believe Colorado defeated. Who Michigan trounced. But yes officially it was a co-championship, but Michigan has been headlined in multiple Rose Bowl games including one in 2005 against Texas that arguabky had a NC weighing in the balance.
    As did (obviously) the 1984 Holiday Bowl. For the winner. How? Simple I outlined it. Iowa. Gave BYU sufficient leverage to merit a national championship and it was Iowa who prevented Michigan from claiming a NC in 1985. But AGAIN. Michigan IS a NC. In 1985. Relative proficiency. It's just not publicized.

    I know you mean well but if you are going to post inaccuracies and present them as truths you should probably forebear posting anything at all. What was the last one? Michigan St? They chalkenfed Alabama for a national championship (Belt) in 2015. Lost. But it's worth noting the Belt was Michigan St's leading into that game. It was therefore a title game (Belt NC) that Alabama won was it 31-0? Interesting that proves Alababa was a national championship but when Brigham Young does the save thing (best Washington 31-3) there's skepticism. Washington beat (following week) U C.L.A. 21-14. A Belt NC. True when BYU played U. C . L.A. They were beaten but that came as a result of some questionable officiating. BYU very nearly won. Point being if they can beat the team(Washington) by 31-3 us there any question? IDTS but last year Washington beat BYU 35-7. Time for BYU to buckle down.

    Oregon won a national title in 2012. Alababa finished second. Yes they did qualify to the BCS but the protocol was wrong. The national championship wasn't exclusive to that title pairing which admitted Notre Dame who lost in grandiose fashion and everyone signed off on it as if that settled it but Oregon in fact was the better team that year. They earned a national title. Best Kansas St in the Fiesta Bowl was that the year it was Colin Klein? I think it was. Regardless it was a year they 'got it wrong'. Oregon won the relative proficiency national championship. Alabama finished second.

    O.k. why didn't Notre Dame okay Clemson fhr the ACC championship? I can tell you why they are greedy S.O. B. 's is why. They should have been admitted (they qualified) which if they HAD they'd have LOST since they were comoarablev(effectively Notre Dave beat Pittsburgh for the divisional title (a game both teams played to the hilt). Notre Dame won earning the right to represent that division.
    So? I think they'd be smarter simply to unite with the ACC but they are their own masters if their destiny. But I don't really care too much whom they play. Sure those are tough opponents. Okay in the ACC since that's the conference you belong to. Add a game. Isn't going to kill you. Abd it might do you sone good besides.

    Many teams actually including W.Michigan, as well as Tulane, and very nearly Houston among several others have done it, too. Cincinnati, Texas Christian, Utah, andcI might include Louisville since they were assuredly going to best Miami FL in 2095 if Stefan LeFlors isn't out w/ injury. They were cruising to a win over Miami, FL. We're leading 34-17 and lost 41-37. Abd beat Boise St in the Liberty Bowl. It isn't that rare. It happens every year my friend. It is a tremendous accomplishment. However. That's true but it's NOT exceedingly rare. They are quite infrequent, if not altogether uncommon. But not exceedingly rare. They're fairly rote actually.

    Thanks again captain obvious. I think they are milking the ACC. They should be a fully participating member or GTFO. IMHO. Sure they recruit well. Why shouldn't they? It's a hard sell to Notre Dame? Anyway they haven't been as incredible as paint them to be. They aren't in the playoffs if they'd played Clemson in the championship game. That might be cheating. They earned a spot in the championship and refused to play. I consider that to be a form of bilking it.

    Sone of those are disputed and probably for good reason, besides but to your point there a championship should stand a test not unlike the one I provide to establish a protocol from which it's possible to assess the legitimacy of a title claim. That's possible. I know how to conduct it and I consider the method I apply fair to the paradigm of a NC.

    They aren't independent. They are united to the Atlantic Coast Conference.
    It might be argued NONE merited inclusion as a consequence of their having bilked the system. No I disagree. A championship IS essential to bring accepted, admitted and represented to the championship. It's essential to the process.

    No your arguments are ridiculous or asinine. We can all agree upon that. Nothing you said made any sense at all. You might as well have said let's include Notre Dame every year they are decent.
    Exceptionally hard that true. Very difficukt and it might not happen in your lifetinr. Nue compare Y Ok UR post with the idiotic one presented by@kwsusmc. He thinks a national title is fashionabke. Like they are dispensed out in dupicicty for a dime a dozen. Hell he even made reference to it. Like that's how it is. What an idiot. But at least there are done intelligent people in this board including you. TYVM.
     
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