Clay Helton & Chip Kelly: Recruiting California?

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  1. sgacock

    sgacock Well-Known Member
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    WTF is going on with recruiting in California?

    UCLA with ZERO commitments. Southern Cal has seven commits but their average star ranking is only 2.79 average star ranking.

    California has 37 4 star prospects and 3 5star prospects. (as per rivals) Oregon has commitments from 5 of the 4 stars. UCLA zero, SoCal has only 1.

    I know SoCal has always been slow on quantity, but the (rated) quality is shockingly low for them. Is Helton's staff full of brilliant evaluators who recognize quality others can't see? Or, are they lazy? Zero commits for Kelly? How can that be anything other than laziness?

    Berkely looks like the instate recruiting powerhouse at this time.

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    Chip is not much of a recruiter. He depends on staff for that. Maybe he has changed. Getting players to UClA should be as easy as anything could be.
     
  3. irishnatty

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    I generally try not to award recruiting titles 6 and 8 months before signing day(s)
     
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  4. sgacock

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    Not talking about titles. Talkin' bout showin' up.

    Early signing date and early OV period has changed the crootin game.
     
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    Sounds bad for those schools...…
     
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    USC is always low this time of year, 7 is actually pretty high for them. USC always gets some of the best, the last month of recruiting.
     
  7. sgacock

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    Oklahoma used to be like that too. Not anymore. They have adjusted to the new recruiting rules exceptionally well.
     
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    Oregon is doing quite well. Taggart also brought some Cali connections to Tally so we have made a few end roads also.
     
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    If you lived in California, wouldn't you want to get out?
     
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    No
     
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    So glad that UF dodged the Chip Kelly bullet
     
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    The problem isn't the amount of recruits USC has, it's the quality that is shocking. I'm sure they will finish strong though. UCLA, I can't explain that.
     
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    Depends where
     
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    Mario Cristobal is beast recruiter
     
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    I remember the sign at the Oregon/Cali state lines.

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    Could find the one that says "keep driving to Seattle."
     
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    You bet your patooty. Peace out, sukkas!!!
     
  17. MSM53

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    I disagree with your premise that Chip is not much of a recruiter and he depends on his staff for that. After all as head coach in four seasons at Oregon his overall record was 46-7. He was an amazing 33-3 in conference play went to four consecutive BCS Bowl games one of which was a National Championship Game. You don't accomplish these feats by being not much of a recruiter. You win with very good players that you have to go out and aggressively recruit against other outstanding recruiters. I don't think Chip maybe has changed, I think he's ALWAYS BEEN A GREAT RECRUITER.
     
  18. BucksLAN

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    Do UF fans really think Mullen is a better coach than Chip Kelly? Lol
     
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    Um, Chip Kelly was known for his system, not his recruiting. If you mean he's a great recruiter as in, he got the pieces needed to fit his system then yeah he was. If you mean he got the best prospects out there and competed for the best recruiting classes then no, he wasn't a great recruiter.
     
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    I'm sorry I don't believe a 46-7 overall record and four consecutive BCS Bowl games was because of a system. When a coach is asked what is the reason for his success invariably they all say it's because they have outstanding players. I've never heard a coach say it's because we have a great system.
     
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    Yes, his 46-7 record was definitely due to the high octane, up tempo system he ran. Oregon historically is not a recruiting giant, and wasn't under Chip Kelly. Their recruiting rankings from 2010-2013 were 12th, 12th, 14th, 19th, with far more 3* players than 4* players. He took less heralded prospects, put them into a great system, and achieved a lot of wins. Baylor did the same thing half a decade ago, took a bunch of 3* players, put them into a great system, and went on to win a lot of games.
     
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    UF fans think Mullen is a better fit for UF, not necessarily a better coach. The difference in recruiting at this point is evident.
     
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    There was a lot of thought that Kelly wouldn't have gotten along with a lot of people. It will be very interesting to see how he does at UCLA.
     
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    Well we can agree to disagree. I think the so called star system is overrated and it's exactly that a system. I will trust a coaches evaluation of a player any day of the year over a media driven star system.
     
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    He’s both a great coach and recruiter honestly. Those classes you cite are better than were the norm before he came and after for us. Despite the facilities, unis, success the last 25 years it’s not nearly as easy to get a highly ranked class to Eugene as it is to tOSU, Bama, USC etc for a number of reasons and distance being a big part of that. Kelly’s recruiting style at Oregon was very unconventional. He sent out very few offers but was able to close a high percentage of them, including the West Coast shock of the decade in getting 5 star DAT to flip from USC very late in the cycle.
     
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    Did you think that some of those three star kids will be four star after they actually play some games as seniors?

    Also USC will take “ commitments” from some kids but will gradually move away from them as the recruiting cycle progresses.

    We call it getting Mickensed, after Jaydon Mickens, who turned out to actually be a better player than some of the kids we cut him loose for.

    We were pretty much in the same place last year, and ended up with a top 3-5 class. Once we added J T Daniels, it became possibly an epic class.

    Have Faith, The Yearly Duck Big Fade has already begun
     
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    USC will probably finish with a top 10 class but they don't typically take this many lower ranked recruits. As for Oregon fading, you better hope we have another coach leave or that's not happening. Oregon's class should be very solid this year.
     
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    Looks like Chip got his first commitment.

    A 5-10 QB with offers from Brown, Columbia, Cornell, Dartmouth, Incarnate Word, North Texas and Yale.
     
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    Definitely the best recruiting staff top to bottom we’ve ever enjoyed. As long as we keep them and have a solid year we will finish Top 10 IMO.
     
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    Yes this is very true, Chip Kelly your former Head Coach at Oregon who had a 46-7 overall record and 33-3 in conference play in four years got a quarterback. His teams also played in four straight BCS games, one of which for a National Championship got his first verbal from Chase Griffin. Ironically the young man is the same size in stature that a former very successful Duck qb, Jeremiah Masoli was who ran an offense that was led by Kelly that was the OC in 2008 plus led the PAC-12 in scoring and total offense that year. So at this point in Kelly's early tenure at UCLA I'm going to trust his judgement on Griffin. Oh by the way Oregon's new head coach, Mario Cristobal overall five year record as head coach at FIU was 27-47 and 20-26 in conference play with two bowl appearances. So based on the both coaches winning track records I'm confident UCLA is extremely happy with Kelly as a recruiter of good talent. Have a happy father's day.
     
  31. duckboy33

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    I'll take the resources at Oregon over the resources at FIU (while they were on probation). That might have something to do with the record differences. If UCLA is happy with the 2019 class they have, more power to them.
     
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    Everyone says this, but history has shown that blue chip recruits give you the best chance to win titles.
     
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    Yeah, that was the thought after he told you to pound sand
     
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    Well I'd like to see the proof of that statement. I suspect there as many so called blue chippers that don't get much better out of high school and are just ok major college players. But we just have a difference of opinions. It's all good.

     
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    Unfortunately RESOURCES don't play the game, players do. If resources did play the game then I agree Oregon would probably be undefeated every year. Successful teams are coached by a good coaching staff and based on each of their winning track records or lack thereof I think Kelly has Cristobol whipped at this juncture.
     
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    I'm not worried about USC, they always close well.
     
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    Proof? Have you not watched college football recently?
     
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    You also win games by getting good players and it is much easier to get good players at Oregon than at FIU while under probation.
     
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    Yeah. UF sure has been the epicenter of football coaching the last 8 years. Nice dodging.
     
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    We haven’t taken anybody yet. That is what you don’t seem to understand. We’ve taken commitments from tons of kids over the years that end up elsewhere, mostly by mutual agreement.A lot of the time they just stop talking to them and if they still don’t get the message, they just never get the LOI.
    Also, at some point, you have to trust the coaches. Are they taking their commitment because they don’t think they will be able to get better players than them, or do they see something that leads them to believe they are going to be really good players who may even get more stars as things move along.

    As for the Big Fade, it’s real, it’s as certain as gravity.

    I’m just messing with you, mostly. It’s been a THING on USC boards for years. Kind of like Will Derting was a two star
     

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