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without any research, these are my immediate thoughts:

- Mongolia is a very rural country and its cities are tiny. There isn’t much travel in and out of the country. It’s not surprising that Covid didn’t catch on there quickly.

- There’s a very strong chance that their cases only get reported when somebody is severely ill and their impoverished citizens don’t trek to the hospital for the sniffles. That would explain the close relationship between cases and deaths.

- We don’t know the makeup of who is dying. Vaccinated or unvaccinated? What is the split?

- We know that the vaccines can’t cause Covid and we know they can’t make the body less resistant to Covid. What would the spike in Covid cases look like if there were no vaccinations? Probably worse.

- Variants are a challenge with all vaccines (like the flue vaccine). Vaccine effectiveness also wains at a certain point after vaccination.

- I’m guessing medicine in Mongolia isn’t superb. I don’t think we’d be shocked if many of the deaths are in homes with little/no medical treatment.
I am a science guy and science is completely based on questioning knowns and unknowns and then testing the hell out of them. I think everyone should be questioning the vaccines and we should have people answering them in an open and honest way. (When I say questioning them, I dont mean idiots on facebook that have made their minds up.) They should say we dont know when they don't know. They should say its a work in progress and they are constantly working to find a better and more effective way. I think both sides could debate and question more effectively.

All statistics should be analyzed and spoken about, even when they may undermine previous "knowns" or results. As the actual ones taking it, shouldnt we all be pushing for more info and questioning it? I dont have the time or energy, nor care enough, to convince someone to take it or convince someone not to take it. It does rub me the wrong way how people aren't allowed to question it though. (again, the way its questioned needs work) It bothers me that we can't get more answers and the CDC and FDA play word games.
 
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I am a science guy and science is completely based on questioning knowns and unknowns and then testing the hell out of them. I think everyone should be questioning the vaccines and we should have people answering them in an open and honest way. (When I say questioning them, I dont mean idiots on facebook that have made their minds up.) They should say we dont know when they don't know. They should say its a work in progress and they are constantly working to find a better and more effective way. I think both sides could debate and question more effectively.

All statistics should be analyzed and spoken about, even when they may undermine previous "knowns" or results. As the actual ones taking it, shouldnt we all be pushing for more info and questioning it? I dont have the time or energy, nor care enough, to convince someone to take it or convince someone not to take it. It does rub me the wrong way how people aren't allowed to question it though. (again, the way its questioned needs work) It bothers me that we can't get more answers and the CDC and FDA play word games.

Reminds me of this quote by Richard Feynman, who won the Nobel Prize in physics.

Learn from science that you must doubt the experts. As a matter of fact, I can also define science another way: Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts. When someone says science teaches such and such, he is using the word incorrectly. Science doesn't teach it; experience teaches it. If they say to you science has shown such and such, you might ask, "How does science show it - how did the scientists find out - how, what, where?" Not science has shown, but this experiment, this effect has shown. And you have as much right as anyone else, upon hearing about the experiments (but we must listen to all the evidence), to judge whether a reusable conclusion has been arrived at."
 
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So you're nominating Toonces for a Nobel Prize? Hitler was nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize in 1939, probably by Brooky's grandpa.

Hah. Yes, exactly!

My browser history would eliminate me from contention.to believe otherwise is to believe the absurd notion that God doesn't know where truth is found or that he doesn't have the power to show it unto us.

If Obama can be nominated for a Nobel Prize after being in office for 11 days, then you can be nominated for a shady browser history.
 

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I do stand for the anthem, respect the flag, think America is the greatest country in the world, think we should always take care of Americans before all else---which apparently makes me a Klan member these days.
White supremacist, checking in.
 

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If you guys have about a half an hour to spend, this is an absolutely batshit crazy story. Definitely going to be a 20/20 or dateline episode.

I took the time to watch it and it was a sad story, just a bad concussion can make you talk and think crazy shit, you are very disoriented. I have been there after a bad car wreck that I shouldn't have survived, I didn't know what day it was or where I was going. I can't imagine what he was going through.
The only thing that bothered me with the story is why would they say that he was gun enthusiasts, like what did that add to the story, you like guns or you don't, your choice.
 
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How in the **** do you miss that? Holy, shit.
Our cops will call EMS if a suspect stubs their toe. Huge bruise and swelling on your cheek and a hole in your nose... ehh. Just a crazy and tragic story. I am impressed that he had the wherewithal that he did. Even knew who shot them. I can only imagine what kind of jumbled mess his head was.
 
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Our cops will call EMS if a suspect stubs their toe. Huge bruise and swelling on your cheek and a hole in your nose... ehh. Just a crazy and tragic story. I am impressed that he had the wherewithal that he did. Even knew who shot them. I can only imagine what kind of jumbled mess his head was.
The story is mind blowing. I was still taken aback at the lack of urgency the detective had after looking at him closer. I wonder if close up photos are available. Cant believe EMS didnt look at him first thing.
 

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Why would this be confusing? Makes total sense... I think.

What is the confusing part? Get vaccinated before hospitals and clinics and pharmacies are destroyed or shutdown by hurricanes. Before you are potentially huddled together with hundreds or thousands of people with temporarily limited resources.
 

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I like arguing. When you have all manner of crazy posting crazy shit like it’s normal, it wears on ya. I still read the stuff and will post when I see something worth posting about. Right now, responding to “Biden is an imbecile and the worst President ever for getting us out of Afghanistan and leaving Afghani’s to the fate and government that they chose for themselves” isn’t very appealing. Especially when it comes with the underpinnings of Trump somehow having been a better choice. I don’t need to interrupt your guys’ fun with the vaccine conspiracies and ‘masks are communist’ talk and ‘F Joe Biden’ chants. I don’t want to ruin the good time being had.

Well…. Bye.
 

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What is the confusing part? Get vaccinated before hospitals and clinics and pharmacies are destroyed or shutdown by hurricanes. Before you are potentially huddled together with hundreds or thousands of people with temporarily limited resources.

Oh, welcome back. Shocking.
 

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What is the confusing part? Get vaccinated before hospitals and clinics and pharmacies are destroyed or shutdown by hurricanes. Before you are potentially huddled together with hundreds or thousands of people with temporarily limited resources.
It ain't a vital thing to do to prepare for a hurricane, brook. No matter how hard you try to spin this.
 

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If you guys have about a half an hour to spend, this is an absolutely batshit crazy story. Definitely going to be a 20/20 or dateline episode.


That's messed up. Left in the back of a police car for 6 hours before the interrogation even began. A hole in his eye, and a monster black eye. Didn't even consider giving him medical attention? The negligence in this case is astounding. Impressed that his parents didn't seek compensation for this disastrous mishandling.
 
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