Can anyone explain this..

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  1. nole96

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  2. Kevin Bryan

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    Yes, they were #6 before they lost 3 out of 4, then they dropped all the way to #6 where they remain with 5 quad 1 wins on the season.
     
  3. KerryRhodes

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    Hmmm
    So youre saying 1 more loss and theyre guaranteed a # 1 seed ??!!
     
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    Yes, but it has to be in the quarterfinals.
     
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    If we win in the quarterfinals, not only should we get a #1 seed - but we should also be guaranteed of having San Diego State as the #2 seed in our region. It's only fair.
     
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    Win the ACC and still worried about Duke. Always thinking Duke is getting some type of advantage. Love it.

    Is the NET # a subjective # or is based on stats and algorithms?
     
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    The NET is clearly rigging the numbers to prop up Duke. There needs to be an investigation into this travesty!
     
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    I don’t thinking anyone was implying conspiracy as much as they are wondering how the f*** is this possible. Lose 3/4 and u should drop in any poll/ranking/computer algorithm
     
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    The NCAA refuses to reveal the NET formula but one way this is possible is because the difference between #6 Duke and #7 MSU is high enough before Duke lost 3/6 games that it was able to maintain their ranking.

    You're seeing the relative ranking but not the actual numbers.
     
  10. nole96

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    It's an honest question, and has nothing to do with Duke specifically. I'm just trying to figure out how a team can win games and lose games and not drop or rise a single time for 50 consecutive ranking releases.
     
  11. KerryRhodes

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    Louisville dropped for them.

    The Cards lose to a ranked team on the road and go from a #2 seed to a #4 seed.
     
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    This. And I think if you don't drop after losing 3/4, then the formula clearly doesn't value wins or losses as much as it should. In which case, it needs to be tweaked.

    Also, seeing as how the NCAA won't release the formula, that only lends credence to the conspiracy theories. Why hide it, unless you're factoring in statistics that you know will hurt/help certain teams?
     
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    It is like Duke's attendance. It has been the exact same for 20 years. Never varies one person. It is baked in. Laughing
     
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    The most popular program in the sport has no need to expand their stadium. It's perfect as it is and fans of the sport would be very disappointed if they chose to build onto it.
     
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    Build onto it? The structure is 70 years old. If they repaint it it could fall down from the extra weight.Laughing
     
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    Good. It would be a bad idea to add seats. Adding seats is for programs like Kentucky who couldn't stand not leading the nation in attendance.
     
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    It has been added onto, just not the seating.
     
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    It is the only place that the attendance never changes.

    If I am wrong please let me know because I got tired of looking for a change.

    47. Duke 9,314
     
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    UK will not lead in attendance anymore because they removed seats Schooner.

    You need to check facts before you post. UK is now just over 20,000.
     
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    I think Allen Fieldhouse has sold out every game since 2001.

    16,300 is the capacity.
     
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    Change "thinking" to "knowing" and you're correct.....in this sentence, at least.
     
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    Dude, of course the NET shouldn't just blindly value wins and losses since that's out there in plain sight for everyone to see anyway.

    We use advanced stats to get a sense of a team's efficiency normalized for the strength of schedule. It helps us separate teams with similar records.

    Considering Duke is #5 in KenPom, #7 in Sagarin, #9 in KPI, #2 in BPI, #5 in Massey, the #6 NET ranking seems right in line.

    Again, if UK ever actually started blowing out "inferior" teams, their advanced stats rankings would go up. This isn't rocket science.

    Luckily for UK, since their W-L record is good, they"ll get a high seed anyway. Its worrisome for its NCAAT prospects though.
     
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    Laughing
     
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    You guys removed 3,000 seats ?!
     
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    I get what you're saying, but obviously W/L's are not weighed appropriately if you can lose 3 out of 4 games and not move a single spot. The formula is trash.
     
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    UK has not had that few people in decades. Poor UK needs money so that they can buy the better players.

    Geeze you know the game!
     
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    Yep.
     
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    100% agree. Wins/losses should matter. Duke had, by far, the easiest ACC slate (only playing FSU, UL, and UVA once each), yet they finished fourth in the ACC. That shouldn’t equate to #6 in the country.
     
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    That's what I'm sayin', Nish! SmokinSmile
     
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    Come on, its semantics, we tied Louisville and UVA with the same record and were 1 loss behind FSU.

    We have a stronger NCSOS than FSU and have a neutral court win over KU and an Away victory vs MSU.
     
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    It’s not semantics. Facts are facts. Duke played FSU and UL at home and UVA on the road. Duke went 1-2 in those games. FSU, UL, and UVA all played five games against the other top four teams. FSU went 3-2, UVA went 3-2, and UL went 2-3. How is that semantics? Congrats on being propped up by that extremely early season win against KU though.
     
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    They also beat Florida State.
     
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    That win alone is clearly the reason Laughing
     
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    At home, in a very close game, in the one game they played. NC State beat Duke by 22 at home. Wake also beat Duke at home. It’s almost as if home court advantage matters.

    Let’s just hope Duke can beat NC State in the ACCT so we can see a rematch of Duke vs. FSU.
     
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    Duke don’t need no stinking NET or ranking, they’re Duke.
     
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    If FSU makes it that far.
     
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    The #1 team in the conference will be there. I’m not sure the #4 team will be.
     
  38. KerryRhodes

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    Friday night.
    Be there.
     
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    I’m guessing the top four seeds will make it to the semis. Then it will be damn fun!
     
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    if anything the 'NET" has been proven trash this year
     
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