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Can anyone explain this..

Yes, they were #6 before they lost 3 out of 4, then they dropped all the way to #6 where they remain with 5 quad 1 wins on the season.
The NET is clearly rigging the numbers to prop up Duke. There needs to be an investigation into this travesty!
 
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I don’t thinking anyone was implying conspiracy as much as they are wondering how the f*** is this possible. Lose 3/4 and u should drop in any poll/ranking/computer algorithm
The NCAA refuses to reveal the NET formula but one way this is possible is because the difference between #6 Duke and #7 MSU is high enough before Duke lost 3/6 games that it was able to maintain their ranking.

You're seeing the relative ranking but not the actual numbers.
 
Win the ACC and still worried about Duke. Always thinking Duke is getting some type of advantage. Love it.

Is the NET # a subjective # or is based on stats and algorithms?
It's an honest question, and has nothing to do with Duke specifically. I'm just trying to figure out how a team can win games and lose games and not drop or rise a single time for 50 consecutive ranking releases.
 
I don’t thinking anyone was implying conspiracy as much as they are wondering how the f*** is this possible. Lose 3/4 and u should drop in any poll/ranking/computer algorithm
This. And I think if you don't drop after losing 3/4, then the formula clearly doesn't value wins or losses as much as it should. In which case, it needs to be tweaked.

Also, seeing as how the NCAA won't release the formula, that only lends credence to the conspiracy theories. Why hide it, unless you're factoring in statistics that you know will hurt/help certain teams?
 
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It is like Duke's attendance. It has been the exact same for 20 years. Never varies one person. It is baked in. Laughing
The most popular program in the sport has no need to expand their stadium. It's perfect as it is and fans of the sport would be very disappointed if they chose to build onto it.
 
The most popular program in the sport has no need to expand their stadium. It's perfect as it is and fans of the sport would be very disappointed if they chose to build onto it.
Build onto it? The structure is 70 years old. If they repaint it it could fall down from the extra weight.Laughing
 
Good. It would be a bad idea to add seats. Adding seats is for programs like Kentucky who couldn't stand not leading the nation in attendance.
UK will not lead in attendance anymore because they removed seats Schooner.

You need to check facts before you post. UK is now just over 20,000.
 
This. And I think if you don't drop after losing 3/4, then the formula clearly doesn't value wins or losses as much as it should. In which case, it needs to be tweaked.

Also, seeing as how the NCAA won't release the formula, that only lends credence to the conspiracy theories. Why hide it, unless you're factoring in statistics that you know will hurt/help certain teams?
Dude, of course the NET shouldn't just blindly value wins and losses since that's out there in plain sight for everyone to see anyway.

We use advanced stats to get a sense of a team's efficiency normalized for the strength of schedule. It helps us separate teams with similar records.

Considering Duke is #5 in KenPom, #7 in Sagarin, #9 in KPI, #2 in BPI, #5 in Massey, the #6 NET ranking seems right in line.

Again, if UK ever actually started blowing out "inferior" teams, their advanced stats rankings would go up. This isn't rocket science.

Luckily for UK, since their W-L record is good, they"ll get a high seed anyway. Its worrisome for its NCAAT prospects though.
 
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Dude, of course the NET shouldn't just blindly value wins and losses since that's out there in plain sight for everyone to see anyway.

We use advanced stats to get a sense of a team's efficiency normalized for the strength of schedule. It helps us separate teams with similar records.

Considering Duke is #5 in KenPom, #7 in Sagarin, #9 in KPI, #2 in BPI, #5 in Massey, the #6 NET ranking seems right in line.

Again, if UK ever actually started blowing out "inferior" teams, their advanced stats rankings would go up. This isn't rocket science.

Luckily for UK, since their W-L record is good, they"ll get a high seed anyway. Its worrisome for its NCAAT prospects though.
I get what you're saying, but obviously W/L's are not weighed appropriately if you can lose 3 out of 4 games and not move a single spot. The formula is trash.
 
This. And I think if you don't drop after losing 3/4, then the formula clearly doesn't value wins or losses as much as it should. In which case, it needs to be tweaked.

Also, seeing as how the NCAA won't release the formula, that only lends credence to the conspiracy theories. Why hide it, unless you're factoring in statistics that you know will hurt/help certain teams?
100% agree. Wins/losses should matter. Duke had, by far, the easiest ACC slate (only playing FSU, UL, and UVA once each), yet they finished fourth in the ACC. That shouldn’t equate to #6 in the country.
 
100% agree. Wins/losses should matter. Duke had, by far, the easiest ACC slate (only playing FSU, UL, and UVA once each), yet they finished fourth in the ACC. That shouldn’t equate to #6 in the country.
Come on, its semantics, we tied Louisville and UVA with the same record and were 1 loss behind FSU.

We have a stronger NCSOS than FSU and have a neutral court win over KU and an Away victory vs MSU.
 
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Come on, its semantics, we tied Louisville and UVA with the same record and were 1 loss behind FSU.

We have a stronger NCSOS than FSU and have a neutral court win over KU and an Away victory vs MSU.
It’s not semantics. Facts are facts. Duke played FSU and UL at home and UVA on the road. Duke went 1-2 in those games. FSU, UL, and UVA all played five games against the other top four teams. FSU went 3-2, UVA went 3-2, and UL went 2-3. How is that semantics? Congrats on being propped up by that extremely early season win against KU though.
 
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It’s not semantics. Facts are facts. Duke played FSU and UL at home and UVA on the road. Duke went 1-2 in those games. FSU, UL, and UVA all played five games against the other top four teams. FSU went 3-2, UVA went 3-2, and UL went 2-3. How is that semantics? Congrats on being propped up by that extremely early season win against KU though.
They also beat Florida State.
 
They also beat Florida State.
At home, in a very close game, in the one game they played. NC State beat Duke by 22 at home. Wake also beat Duke at home. It’s almost as if home court advantage matters.

Let’s just hope Duke can beat NC State in the ACCT so we can see a rematch of Duke vs. FSU.
 
At home, in a very close game, in the one game they played. NC State beat Duke by 22 at home. Wake also beat Duke at home. It’s almost as if home court advantage matters.

Let’s just hope Duke can beat NC State in the ACCT so we can see a rematch of Duke vs. FSU.
If FSU makes it that far.
 
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