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Bowlsby stepping away from B12


ou / texas leaving probably ended his career. At least he salvaged the conference (not sure that’s a good thing but we will see). We will be at 14 in 5 years adding Memphis and potentially poach a Louisville, Boise or SMU. We need to get some good brands in the next round

Hate realignment and it ruins sports.
 
ou / texas leaving probably ended his career. At least he salvaged the conference (not sure that’s a good thing but we will see). We will be at 14 in 5 years adding Memphis and potentially poach a Louisville, Boise or SMU. We need to get some good brands in the next round

Hate realignment and it ruins sports.
why would Louisville jump now? Big 12 should have taken them with WVU when they had the chance. No shot they jump from the ACC unless the big 10 or SEC poach teams from the ACC
 
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ou / texas leaving probably ended his career. At least he salvaged the conference (not sure that’s a good thing but we will see). We will be at 14 in 5 years adding Memphis and potentially poach a Louisville, Boise or SMU. We need to get some good brands in the next round

Hate realignment and it ruins sports.
He announced 2 years ago that he was going to step down but the OU & TX situation prolonged his stay a bit. Very doubtful that the B12 is going to 14
 
why would Louisville jump now? Big 12 should have taken them with WVU when they had the chance. No shot they jump from the ACC unless the big 10 or SEC poach teams from the ACC
B10 isn’t bringing in any school that is not an AAU member
 
He announced 2 years ago that he was going to step down but the OU & TX situation prolonged his stay a bit. Very doubtful that the B12 is going to 14
Probably right.
B10 isn’t bringing in any school that is not an AAU member
Ok. Why is that relevant to what I said? Louisville isn’t getting a big 10 invite. My point was that the big 10 or sec taking other schools that are attractive from the ACC is what could open up Louisville to the big 12. Louisville has zero shot to ever join the SEC or big 10
 
Probably right.

Ok. Why is that relevant to what I said? Louisville isn’t getting a big 10 invite. My point was that the big 10 or sec taking other schools that are attractive from the ACC is what could open up Louisville to the big 12. Louisville has zero shot to ever join the SEC or big 10
It is relevant because the number of P5 AAU members is quite limited. ND is the only viable candidate from the pool you suggest and they refuse to join the B10.
 
It is relevant because the number of P5 AAU members is quite limited. ND is the only viable candidate from the pool you suggest and they refuse to join the B10.
Oh the big 10 would take unc and possibly duke, right now. It’s not just ND. The SEC would also take them.
 
Oh the big 10 would take unc and possibly duke, right now. It’s not just ND. The SEC would also take them.
No they wouldn’t because it doesn’t follow an expansion model they have adhered to for their existence. They haven’t ever added a school from a state that is not contiguous to a B10 state. North Carolina is not contiguous.
 
No they wouldn’t because it doesn’t follow an expansion model they have adhered to for their existence. They haven’t ever added a school from a state that is not contiguous to a B10 state. North Carolina is not contiguous.
You are if clueless you don’t think they would take unc. They would have taken Texas to
 
You are if clueless you don’t think they would take unc. They would have taken Texas to
You are clueless if you think the B10 will change their model for any school. There are reasons they utilize the model they do and part of that reason is the Big 10 Academic Alliance that generates $Billions in research dollars as schools which are AAU member collaborate on research projects. Geographic outliers don’t fit the model.
 
Big 10 would take UNC. They wouldn't take Duke. UNC isn't going to the Big 10 though. The ACC should have got rid of Wake Forest and added Texas a long time ago though. Now they should add Kansas.
 
Big 10 would take UNC. They wouldn't take Duke. UNC isn't going to the Big 10 though. The ACC should have got rid of Wake Forest and added Texas a long time ago though. Now they should add Kansas.
They would not take UNC unless it was a multiple school expansion that followed the geographic model. The chances of UNC being added. as a one or two school expansion, are zero. Besides, the ACC GOR(which is ridiculous) runs until 2036.
 
You are clueless if you think the B10 will change their model for any school. There are reasons they utilize the model they do and part of that reason is the Big 10 Academic Alliance that generates $Billions in research dollars as schools which are AAU member collaborate on research projects. Geographic outliers don’t fit the model.
They would take both Virginia and UNC if they wanted to expand. And both Virginia and UNC would be higher in AAU rankings then all but like 3 of the big 10 schools. What are you even talking about? This scenario has been laid out for years for the Big 10.

The problem is UNC has no reason to ever agree to it if the ACC is viable.


Like that is almost 10 years old now. Stop saying dumb stuff.
 
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Big 10 would take UNC. They wouldn't take Duke. UNC isn't going to the Big 10 though. The ACC should have got rid of Wake Forest and added Texas a long time ago though. Now they should add Kansas.

Im a pretty loyal dude so want to stay in big 12 now and flex. We have the best thing going in basketball in the country right now. Football hurts but over time it will rebound with where Cincy, UCF and Houston are headed. BYU is good at everything.

OU should be doing the same as us and stayed and let texas go independent. OU and KU created the big 12 together with texas. None of those 3 schools have any business leaving our league. There should have been clauses against it and poor contractual work by the original brokering lawyers on the contract.
 
They would take both Virginia and UNC if they wanted to expand. And both Virginia and UNC would be higher in AAU rankings then all but like 3 of the big 10 schools. What are you even talking about? This scenario has been laid out for years for the Big 10.

The problem is UNC has no reason to ever agree to it if the ACC is viable.


Like that is almost 10 years old now. Stop saying dumb stuff.
I could see that happen but the GOR the ACC is in is an anchor around their neck.
 
Im a pretty loyal dude so want to stay in big 12 now and flex. We have the best thing going in basketball in the country right now. Football hurts but over time it will rebound with where Cincy, UCF and Houston are headed. BYU is good at everything.

OU should be doing the same as us and stayed and let texas go independent. OU and KU created the big 12 together with texas. None of those 3 schools have any business leaving our league. There should have been clauses against it and poor contractual work by the original brokering lawyers on the contract.
The problem is your conference will always be gobbled. You are better to jump as soon as you can to the big 10 or ACC before possibly falling into a mid major conference.
 
Im a pretty loyal dude so want to stay in big 12 now and flex. We have the best thing going in basketball in the country right now. Football hurts but over time it will rebound with where Cincy, UCF and Houston are headed.

OU should be doing the same as us and stayed and let texas go independent. OU and KU created the big 12 together with texas. None of those 3 schools have any business leaving our league. There should have been clauses against it and poor contractual work by the original brokering lawyers on the contract.
The only reason OU is leaving is they can’t service their debt from prior spending. They were stretched with capital expenditures by the previous guy, and the pandemic hammered them. That is why the state legislature unanimously approved the move without Oky St.
 
You are clueless if you think the B10 will change their model for any school. There are reasons they utilize the model they do and part of that reason is the Big 10 Academic Alliance that generates $Billions in research dollars as schools which are AAU member collaborate on research projects. Geographic outliers don’t fit the model.
LOL at you thinking academic research has anything to do with conference expansion. Again Texas or unc would have a spot right away if they told the big 10 they wanted in. As would USC
 
LOL at you thinking academic research has anything to do with conference expansion. Again Texas or unc would have a spot right away if they told the big 10 they wanted in. As would USC
Like I said….you have no clue. Academic research $$$ dwarf athletic revenues
 
Like I said….you have no clue. Academic research $$$ dwarf athletic revenues
Lol Again at you thinking Texas and unc don’t have the ability to add to academic research money either. There is nothing Rutgers does financially academically or athletically that produces more revenue then unc or Texas. You may be the dumbest Person to ever post on this board
 
Lol Again at you thinking Texas and unc don’t have the ability to add to academic research money either. There is nothing Rutgers does financially academically or athletically that produces more revenue then unc or Texas. You may be the dumbest Person to ever post on this board
Texas would for sure as there is no denying that. Unfortunately, Texas wouldn’t ever join the B10 for different reasons than you think, but obvious ones. They are the same reasons that USC wouldn’t ever fit with the B10.
 
Lol Again at you thinking Texas and unc don’t have the ability to add to academic research money either. There is nothing Rutgers does financially academically or athletically that produces more revenue then unc or Texas. You may be the dumbest Person to ever post on this board
They wouldn't have to. They would both be 4th and 5th in the conference in research money if they joined today. Same if UNC and Virginia.
 
They wouldn't have to. They would both be 4th and 5th in the conference in research money if they joined today. Same if UNC and Virginia.
Of course. No conference is turning down North Carolina or Texas
 
Of course. No conference is turning down North Carolina or Texas
Those two institutions are in different tax brackets. Mentioning them in the same sentence is not appropriate. Brown moved up to UT and eventually went back down.
 
Those two institutions are in different tax brackets. Mentioning them in the same sentence is not appropriate. Brown moved up to UT and eventually went back down.
That’s irrelevant to the fact that the big 10 would not turn down either of them
 
Very relevant as one is a shoo in if they were interested, and the other isn’t.
Both are shoe ins. You also just contradicted yourself. You claimed they wouldnt take anyone that was not geographically next to them. Yet Texas is now a shoe on? Unc and Texas can both join any conference they want.
 
Both are shoe ins. You also just contradicted yourself. You claimed they wouldnt take anyone that was not geographically next to them. Yet Texas is now a shoe on? Unc and Texas can both join any conference they want.
Nope, one school brings 90-100K to football games at home and the other brings 45-50K. Football drives the bus, not basketball.
 
Nope, one school brings 90-100K to football games at home and the other brings 45-50K. Football drives the bus, not basketball.
Attendance at games is not what moves the needle for expansion whatsoever. There is a reason the sec and the big 10 are not interested in Clemson or florida st. You are really clueless on why expansion has occurred. It’s fully for tv money and viewership and picking up new markets
 
Attendance at games is not what moves the needle for expansion whatsoever. There is a reason the sec and the big 10 are not interested in Clemson or florida st. You are really clueless on why expansion has occurred. It’s fully for tv money and viewership and picking up new markets
Attendance is an indication of popularity. Subscriptions are the new measurables as cord cutting continues. It is very easy to get from A to B….follow along
 
Attendance is an indication of popularity. Subscriptions are the new measurables as cord cutting continues. It is very easy to get from A to B….follow along
And again unc drives a ton subscriptions. No one is turning them down
 
45K at football games doesn’t suggest that to be the case.
Attendance at football games has nothing to do with subscriptions. The university of North Carolina is a top 5-6 brand in college athletics. Stop being a moron. Unc is not getting rejected by anyone
 
The big12 was a very viable conference when we still had Nebraska Colorado Missouri and a@m. Center of the continent, little care for the coasts, just as rabid fan base as the south. Once those four left, the ones that replaced them didn’t move the needle enough. We should have taken Louisville when Missouri left and taken Houston over tcu. Now with ou and Texas leaving the big 12 is on life support for football. Basketball is fine, but I don’t want to become the big east of the Midwest. Really hope ku ends up in the big10 and cuts ties with ksu.
 
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The big12 was a very viable conference when we still had Nebraska Colorado Missouri and a@m. Center of the continent, little care for the coasts, just as rabid fan base as the south. Once those four left, the ones that replaced them didn’t move the needle enough. We should have taken Louisville when Missouri left and taken Houston over tcu. Now with ou and Texas leaving the big 12 is on life support for football. Basketball is fine, but I don’t want to become the big east of the Midwest. Really hope ku ends up in the big10 and cuts ties with ksu.
Kansas is the only left I see as an attractive option. Kansas may be better off just pulling a uconn and just saying screw football. Go independent for football and join the big east for everything is else. That would be a damn good basketball conference with uconn, Kansas, nova, etc.
 
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Kansas is the only left I see as an attractive option. Kansas may be better off just pulling a uconn and just saying screw football. Go independent for football and join the big east for everything is else. That would be a damn good basketball conference with uconn, Kansas, nova, etc.
Problem Kansas runs into is we don’t own Kansas City market for football. It’s either chiefs country (nfl) or Nebraska fans. So veiwership numbers are not going to be that enticing for conferences. Plus we are stilll tied to KSU. Our tier 3 revenue from basketball is larger than most schools get for football and we would be a flagship basketball school for whatever conference takes us. Acc or big10 is where I’d like to end up. Let ksu go join the mountain west
 
Problem Kansas runs into is we don’t own Kansas City market for football. It’s either chiefs country (nfl) or Nebraska fans. So veiwership numbers are not going to be that enticing for conferences. Plus we are stilll tied to KSU. Our tier 3 revenue from basketball is larger than most schools get for football and we would be a flagship basketball school for whatever conference takes us. Acc or big10 is where I’d like to end up. Let ksu go join the mountain west
I think if notre dame was to join the ACC it would be a nice battle between Kansas and WVU to get that other spot. The only way I see the big 10 taking you is just to increase number count. Pac 12 may not be the worse thing though. Unfortunately basketball is not what is driving expansion. The other question I would ask Is Kansas anymore tied to KSU than Oklahoma was to osu?
 
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