The only people trying to kick Duke out of the club are dudes that are just trying to get under the skin of Duke fans.
Anyone that is worth a damn on this board KNOWS that Duke is a Blue Blood.
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Anyone that is worth a damn on this board KNOWS that Duke is a Blue Blood.
Now that the child has left the conversation, we can get back to basketball.
Not sure why there's always that one new person who wants to go against the grain everytime this is brought up. The overwhelming consensus is that you have to excel in many different categories, different decades and multiple coaches. The last part is why that new guy always discredits Duke.
However, if a school excels head and shoulders over what would be expected over 4 different decades and wins more championships during that time then would be reasonably expected, it easily negates missing 1 criteria from above.
Not sure why there's always that one new person who wants to go against the grain everytime this is brought up. The overwhelming consensus is that you have to excel in many different categories, different decades and multiple coaches. The last part is why that new guy always discredits Duke.
However, if a school excels head and shoulders over what would be expected over 4 different decades and wins more championships during that time then would be reasonably expected, it easily negates missing 1 criteria from above.
Rather than starting a new thread, I figured I'd just bump the old one. Someone posted a hit piece on the Purdue board and I thought this might add to the discussion (records are thru Tuesday's night):
Blue-Blood Programs since 2003-04 season:
Duke: 461-108 (81.0%), 15 NCAA tournaments, three Final Fours, two titles
Kansas: 468-103 (82.0%), 15 NCAA tournaments, three Final Fours, one title
Kentucky: 438-131 (77.0%), 13 NCAA tournaments, four Final Fours, one title
UNC: 447-131 (77.3%), 14 NCAA tournaments, five Final Fours, three titles
UCLA: 365-177 (67.3%), 11 NCAA tournaments, three Final Fours
Indiana: 290-224 (56.4%), seven NCAA tournaments, zero Final Fours
Indiana has missed more tournaments since 2004 (eight) than the other five teams combined (seven).
I don't feel strongly one way or the other about the criteria for blueblood status and whether it can be lost but figured some of you would be interested in this.
Blue-Blood Programs since 2003-04 season:
Duke: 461-108 (81.0%), 15 NCAA tournaments, three Final Fours, two titles
Kansas: 468-103 (82.0%), 15 NCAA tournaments, three Final Fours, one title
Kentucky: 438-131 (77.0%), 13 NCAA tournaments, four Final Fours, one title
UNC: 447-131 (77.3%), 14 NCAA tournaments, five Final Fours, three titles
UCLA: 365-177 (67.3%), 11 NCAA tournaments, three Final Fours
Indiana: 290-224 (56.4%), seven NCAA tournaments, zero Final Fours
Indiana has missed more tournaments since 2004 (eight) than the other five teams combined (seven).
I don't feel strongly one way or the other about the criteria for blueblood status and whether it can be lost but figured some of you would be interested in this.
Really just ready to drop IU and UCLA from the club completely. They are dragging the rest down at this point.
Why the cut-off of 03-04? That seems a bit arbitrary... what, the last 15 years or something? Why not do 20? Indiana did fairly well the few years before this, right? 02-03?
I pulled it from an article. You'd have to ask the author. But yes, IU was in the 2002 Final Four.
They had an incredible run in 2002. They were a 5 seed that beat a really good #1 Duke team in the sweet 16, then beat Kent State in elite eight, and then beat a very good OU team in the Final Four. I
I think they should have gone back two more years bc KU was in the final four in 02 and 03.
I always like comparisons when the date picked to begin is an odd one like 2003-4. It was done here to eliminate IU's last run to the final four.
Why not go back to 2000 or go back to 1990. Hell if you pick 2015-6 then it looks different also.
I also make comparisons on the last 14 years. It is such a good number.
I prefer the period from 1947-8 through 2011-2012. UK 8 titles.
Everybody's got to tailor the numbers to meet their objective. It's what people do.I always like comparisons when the date picked to begin is an odd one like 2003-4. It was done here to eliminate IU's last run to the final four.
Why not go back to 2000 or go back to 1990. Hell if you pick 2015-6 then it looks different also.
I also make comparisons on the last 14 years. It is such a good number.
I prefer the period from 1947-8 through 2011-2012. UK 8 titles.
That said, it doesn't discount the validity of the discrepancy between IU and the other programs.
And if you want a basis for the cutoff, I guess one could argue that 2003 is the year that most players currently being recruited by bluebloods were born.
I agree, but if you go back to the beginning to date I still include Indiana as a blue blood.
If you start slicing and dicing the years then Duke would not be a blue blood until very, very late in the 20th Century.
A few fact to consider:
UCLA has 11 titles. Are they blue bloods because they ain't done crap except for a special decades.
KU only has three titles, two less than Indiana.
In 1987 Indiana had as many titles as Kentucky and 5 more than Duke.
I still prefer the 1948-2012 era!
As a note on the side. I wanted to go to Purdue for a chemistry degree. The only way to do it was to get a scholy. I needed a 96 percentile on the SAT. I got a 95 and a 94, so I stayed in State. However, I did go to the 1969 final four in Louisville because I loved Rick Mount. He could put on a show.
Historically, definitely these 8 are Blue Bloods:
UCLA, North Carolina, Kentucky, Duke, Indiana, Kansas, Syracuse, Louisville.
Blue Blood Light:
Virginia, Villanova, Arizona, Memphis, Maryland, Oklahoma, Okla. State, Michigan, Michigan State, Stanford, Wisconsin, Cincinnati, West Va., Florida, Houston, Arkansas, Ohio State, UNLV, Marquette.
Close
Tennessee, N.C. State, Seton Hall, Providence, St. John's, Georgetown, Georgia Tech, Wichita State, Vandy, Oregon State, LSU, Mizzou, Iowa, Purdue, Pittsburgh, UConn, Gonzaga, New Mexico St., Texas, Texas Tech, Utah, Clemson, Wake Forest, Kansas State, Nevada, Illinois, TCU, Minn.
New Blood
Butler, Old Dominion, George Mason, VCU, UMass,
UCLA, North Carolina, Kentucky, Duke, Indiana, Kansas, Syracuse, Louisville.
Blue Blood Light:
Virginia, Villanova, Arizona, Memphis, Maryland, Oklahoma, Okla. State, Michigan, Michigan State, Stanford, Wisconsin, Cincinnati, West Va., Florida, Houston, Arkansas, Ohio State, UNLV, Marquette.
Close
Tennessee, N.C. State, Seton Hall, Providence, St. John's, Georgetown, Georgia Tech, Wichita State, Vandy, Oregon State, LSU, Mizzou, Iowa, Purdue, Pittsburgh, UConn, Gonzaga, New Mexico St., Texas, Texas Tech, Utah, Clemson, Wake Forest, Kansas State, Nevada, Illinois, TCU, Minn.
New Blood
Butler, Old Dominion, George Mason, VCU, UMass,
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Do Cuse and Louisville fans consider themselves blue bloods? I think this is a first for me.
I like how Texas Tech is close to being considered atleast a blue blood light. Right there with UConn.
I just added it all up. There’s 60 schools listed. 28 of them are close to blue blood status. Haha
Since the new millenium & century, 2000, here is what I came up with as the top performing schools (Note if one goes back 1-2 yrs more, UConn, UK & others get more recognition for their championships/F4's.):
----- Based on the total # of F4's & extra RU finish, North Carolina could be #1 overall -------------------
1a. UCONN: 3 NC's (2004, 2011, 2014); 4 F4's ('04,'09,'11, '14) <- won 3 NC's 1st,
1b. Duke: 3 NC's (2001, 2010, 2015); 4 F4's ('01,'04, ;10, ;15) <- 2nd Duke, 3rd N.Carolina.
1c. North Carolina: 3 NC's (2005, 2009, 2017) & 1 RU ('16); 6 F4's ('00, '05, '08, '09, '16, '17)
2a. Florida: 2 NC's (2006, 2007) & 1 RU ('00); 4 F4's ('00, '06, '07, '14)
2b. Villanova: 2 NC's (2016, 2018); 3 F4's ('09, '16, '18)
---- Two Schools w/ 6 F4's since 2000: Michigan St, North Carolina; Kansas has 5 F4's --------------
3a. Michigan St: 1 NC (2000) & 1 RU ('09); 6 F4's ('00, '01, '05, 09, '10, '15)
3b. Kansas: 1 NC (2008) & 2 RU's ('03, '12); 5 F4's ('02, '03, '08, '12, '18)
3c. Kentucky: 1 NC (2012) & 1 RU (2014); 4 F4's ('11, '12, '14, '15)
----- Four schools are tied with 4 F4's since 2000: Florida, UConn, Duke & Kentucky --------
4a. Louisville: 1 NC (2013); 3 F4's ('05, '12, '13)
4b. Syracuse: 1 NC (2003); 3 F4's ('03, '13, '16)
4c. Maryland: 1 NC (2002); 2 F4's ('01, '02)
Other National RU's:
Arizona (2001)
Indiana (2002)
Georgia Tech (2004)
Illinois (2005)
UCLA (2006) <-- 3 F4's ('06,'07,'08)
Ohio St (2007) <-- 2 F4's ('07, '12)
Memphis (2008)
Butler (2010, 2011) <-- 2 F4's
Michigan (2013, 2018) <-- 2 F4's
Wisconsin (2015) <-- 2 F4's ('00, '14)
Gonzaga (2017)
----- Based on the total # of F4's & extra RU finish, North Carolina could be #1 overall -------------------
1a. UCONN: 3 NC's (2004, 2011, 2014); 4 F4's ('04,'09,'11, '14) <- won 3 NC's 1st,
1b. Duke: 3 NC's (2001, 2010, 2015); 4 F4's ('01,'04, ;10, ;15) <- 2nd Duke, 3rd N.Carolina.
1c. North Carolina: 3 NC's (2005, 2009, 2017) & 1 RU ('16); 6 F4's ('00, '05, '08, '09, '16, '17)
2a. Florida: 2 NC's (2006, 2007) & 1 RU ('00); 4 F4's ('00, '06, '07, '14)
2b. Villanova: 2 NC's (2016, 2018); 3 F4's ('09, '16, '18)
---- Two Schools w/ 6 F4's since 2000: Michigan St, North Carolina; Kansas has 5 F4's --------------
3a. Michigan St: 1 NC (2000) & 1 RU ('09); 6 F4's ('00, '01, '05, 09, '10, '15)
3b. Kansas: 1 NC (2008) & 2 RU's ('03, '12); 5 F4's ('02, '03, '08, '12, '18)
3c. Kentucky: 1 NC (2012) & 1 RU (2014); 4 F4's ('11, '12, '14, '15)
----- Four schools are tied with 4 F4's since 2000: Florida, UConn, Duke & Kentucky --------
4a. Louisville: 1 NC (2013); 3 F4's ('05, '12, '13)
4b. Syracuse: 1 NC (2003); 3 F4's ('03, '13, '16)
4c. Maryland: 1 NC (2002); 2 F4's ('01, '02)
Other National RU's:
Arizona (2001)
Indiana (2002)
Georgia Tech (2004)
Illinois (2005)
UCLA (2006) <-- 3 F4's ('06,'07,'08)
Ohio St (2007) <-- 2 F4's ('07, '12)
Memphis (2008)
Butler (2010, 2011) <-- 2 F4's
Michigan (2013, 2018) <-- 2 F4's
Wisconsin (2015) <-- 2 F4's ('00, '14)
Gonzaga (2017)
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Does not make sense! Syracuse? Louisville? As historical blue-bloods?
Maybe Louisville who had gone to numerous F4's in the 70s & 80s before winning two NC's in the 1980s. This was similar to what many other teams had done: i.e, win 2 titles by the 1980s: NC St, North Carolina, Kansas; Duke had zero NC's by the 1980s.
UConn has won 4 national titles since 1999.
NC State had won two national titles - their 1st one was an undefeated team that stopped UCLA in its run of 7-straight national titles from 1967-1973.
Bless their hearts but Virginia went to only two Final4s (1981, 1984) when 7'4" center Ralph Sampson (3x Naismith POY) played there. Virginia has not made any Final fours since 1984.
Stanford went to only two F4's (last one was in 1998) and its only national champion was in 1940.
West Va went to only two F4's (last one in 2010, no national championship.
Marquette: 3 F4's (last one in 2003) and one NC (1977).
From 1982-1985, the Georgetown teams of Patrick Ewing played in three Finals and won one NC against Houston's Phi Slamma Jamma & Akeem Olajawon; their 1982 final loss was a game that could have been won if not for a last minute shot by one Michael Jordan who hit the game winner before Georgetown's turnover happened.
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Why 2003? Coming from a Purdue board, I assume its to discount IUs 2002 title appearance?
I didn't realize he thought I had a typo. I guess the gif was appropriate?
I was making fun of myself, for having not read. JFC please try and keep up. As in "why would I read to get any prior context?" I assumed you the reader would be able to make that next connection without having to make a post such as this, which is what makes it humorous. Self deprecating humor at what on the surface appears to be at your expense, but upon deeper reflection, is actually at mine. Having to explain what I thought was fairly simple stuff is in fact hurting my head.
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My first reply correctly assumed your intent. My second reply was only after an alternative interpretation was offered.
This is easily the craziest gibberish I've seen in at least the past 6 months! That's saying something, because my 3 year old loves to try to write "words" in his coloring books.
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