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***Baylor vs Gonzaga: National Title Thread***

Southern people are natural born losers. Can't win a war and they have shitty basketball for the most part.
 
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Gotta give a shout out to the Big 12 for finally winning another natty

Still not over it.

Uhh, don't know if that is supposed to be a diss or what but 80% of the big 12 has made at least 1 final 4 since 2002. Damn good conference.

Every school all-time has been to a Final Four except TCU.

Gonzaga is 1-12 vs. teams seeded 3 or better since 2001

I think we have beat Gonzaga like twice in the tournament. 2019 and 2005 in the Second Round vs Adam Morrison.
 
Also look at all the conference taintlickers. A B12 team won so we had the best conference, the type of logic some factory worker from Tulsa uses. It's pathetic and sad, but mostly pathetic.

Almost as sad as thinking the B1G was historically dominant this year.
 
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If there ever was a Gonzaga stat
Its misleading as ****...

In 2001 they were a 12 seed....Lost to #1 seed MSU in the SW 16..
2003--- 9 seed---lost to 1 seed AZ, 96-95 in 2 OT
2006- 3 seed----Lost to 2 seed UCLA
2009 4 seed---lost to 1 seed UNC
2010---8 seed----lost to 1 seed Syracuse
2011---11 seed----lost to 3 seed BYU
2012--- 7 seed----lost to 2nd seed OSU
2014--- 8 seed---lost to 1 seed AZ
2015----2 seed----lost to 1 seed Duke
2017----1 seed----lost to 1 seed UNC in title game
2019---1 seed---lost to 3 seed TT
2021--1 seed---lost to 1 seed Baylor in title game.

Only twice in those 13 games, was Gonzaga the higher seed: vs Texas Tech. and Baylor. And Baylor was the seocnd overall #1 seed.

People like throwing out stats, with no context. Makes them look smarter.
 
Its misleading as ****...

In 2001 they were a 12 seed....Lost to #1 seed MSU in the SW 16..
2003--- 9 seed---lost to 1 seed AZ, 96-95 in 2 OT
2006- 3 seed----Lost to 2 seed UCLA
2009 4 seed---lost to 1 seed UNC
2010---8 seed----lost to 1 seed Syracuse
2011---11 seed----lost to 3 seed BYU
2012--- 7 seed----lost to 2nd seed OSU
2014--- 8 seed---lost to 1 seed AZ
2015----2 seed----lost to 1 seed Duke
2017----1 seed----lost to 1 seed UNC in title game
2019---1 seed---lost to 3 seed TT
2021--1 seed---lost to 1 seed Baylor in title game.

Only twice in those 13 games, was Gonzaga the higher seed: vs Texas Tech. and Baylor. And Baylor was the seocnd overall #1 seed.

People like throwing out stats, with no context. Makes them look smarter.

They're still 1-12 vs. teams seeded 3 or better since 2001. Context may qualify the stat but the stat still remains.
 
Still not over it.



Every school all-time has been to a Final Four except TCU.



I think we have beat Gonzaga like twice in the tournament. 2019 and 2005 in the Second Round vs Adam Morrison.
Baylor was scheduled to play the Zags this year in the regular season, but Covid canceled it.
 
Gonzaga is 1-12 vs. teams seeded 3 or better since 2001

And that single win? Against a way over seeded Utah team. Efficiency margin of a 9 seed. So Borden is right, that stat is misleading and needs some context. It's really zero wins against top 3 seeds.

Not sure that 1-12 stat is overly meaningful, especially when you consider the fact that Gonzaga was a 7 seed or lower in half of those games. And if we take the top 16 teams from KenPom in just the past 4 tournaments, Gonzaga has more wins than anyone else in the country. That would include victories over #6 USC and #7 West Virginia. I will concede that Texas Tech's four wins over top 6 teams should carry more weight. Also, since 1999, Gonzaga has 10 wins over schools that were seeded higher than them. I want to say Michigan State is the only other school in that time frame with more wins against higher seeded teams.

Gonzaga

USC- #6, 2021
West Virginia- #7, 2017
UCLA- #13, 2021
Florida State- #14, 2019
Ohio State- #16, 2018

Villanova
West Virginia- #12, 2018
Texas Tech- #11, 2018
Kansas- #9, 2018
Michigan- #7, 2018

Texas Tech
Michigan - #6, 2019
Gonzaga - #2, 2019
Michigan State- #3, 2019
Purdue - #5, 2018

UNC
Kentucky - #4, 2017
Oregon- #10, 2017
Gonzaga- #1, 2017

Oregon
Kansas- #6, 2017
Wisconsin- #16, 2019
Iowa- #7, 2021

Kentucky
Houston - #12, 2019
Wichita State - #8, 2017
UCLA - #16, 2017

Virginia
Purdue- #9, 2019
Auburn- #11, 2019
Texas Tech- #5, 2019

Kansas
Clemson- #14, 2018
Duke- #3, 2018

Michigan
Louisville- #9, 2017
Florida State- #15, 2021
 
Not sure that 1-12 stat is overly meaningful, especially when you consider the fact that Gonzaga was a 7 seed or lower in half of those games. And if we take the top 16 teams from KenPom in just the past 4 tournaments, Gonzaga has more wins than anyone else in the country. That would include victories over #6 USC and #7 West Virginia. I will concede that Texas Tech's four wins over top 6 teams should carry more weight. Also, since 1999, Gonzaga has 10 wins over schools that were seeded higher than them. I want to say Michigan State is the only other school in that time frame with more wins against higher seeded teams.

Gonzaga
USC- #6, 2021
West Virginia- #7, 2017
UCLA- #13, 2021
Florida State- #14, 2019
Ohio State- #16, 2018

Villanova
West Virginia- #12, 2018
Texas Tech- #11, 2018
Kansas- #9, 2018
Michigan- #7, 2018

Texas Tech
Michigan - #6, 2019
Gonzaga - #2, 2019
Michigan State- #3, 2019
Purdue - #5, 2018

UNC
Kentucky - #4, 2017
Oregon- #10, 2017
Gonzaga- #1, 2017

Oregon
Kansas- #6, 2017
Wisconsin- #16, 2019
Iowa- #7, 2021

Kentucky
Houston - #12, 2019
Wichita State - #8, 2017
UCLA - #16, 2017

Virginia
Purdue- #9, 2019
Auburn- #11, 2019
Texas Tech- #5, 2019

Kansas
Clemson- #14, 2018
Duke- #3, 2018

Michigan
Louisville- #9, 2017
Florida State- #15, 2021

But no championships
 
Great game by Baylor, btw. That defensive pressure was off the charts. Zags never really looked comfortable. Baylor has the most complete team and is a very worthy of being a national champion. One of the best teams we've seen this century, IMO.
 
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But no championships

So, now you're changing it from 1-12 against 3 seeds since 2001 (nice to take away those wins in 1999 & 2000) - to no championships? You should know more than anyone that championships don't come easy. They've won 20 NCAA Tournament games in the past 7 tourneys. Basically averaging a regional final. Most coaches would take those odds. If they continue to be a top 5 program, eventually they'll cut down the nets. Duke didn't win a championship until our 9th trip to the Final Four.
 
So, now you're changing it from 1-12 against 3 seeds since 2001 (nice to take away those wins in 1999 & 2000) - to no championships? You should know more than anyone that championships don't come easy. They've won 20 NCAA Tournament games in the past 7 tourneys. Basically averaging a regional final. Most coaches would take those odds. If they continue to be a top 5 program, eventually they'll cut down the nets. Duke didn't win a championship until our 9th trip to the Final Four.

Just let me flame the one or two Gonzaga fans on this board in peace
 
Lack of conference grind has to hurt Zags. Just not enough adversity throughout the year. OOC top team schedule is something, but it still doesn't match playing in the big boy league where middling or even bottom feeders give real challenges.
 
You would be fvcked in the trolling department had Gonzaga won. Not a single Baylor fan, just a bunch of fans from other B12 schools.

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Great game by Baylor, btw. That defensive pressure was off the charts. Zags never really looked comfortable. Baylor has the most complete team and is a very worthy of being a national champion. One of the best teams we've seen this century, IMO.

It really was. I texted my dad that it looked like they had 7 guys on defense. Their ability to recover was insane.
 
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It really was. I texted my dad that it looked like they had 7 guys on defense. Their ability to recover was insane.

Seriously! I mean, we already knew their ball pressure was elite. But, they ratcheted it up a notch or two against one of the best offensive teams we've seen in recent memory. Supremely impressed with their ability and effort.
 
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I'm so happy that Baylor won THIS year.

Bout time someone else from the best cbb conference actually won something..

Scott Drew, nobody's bltch anymore

Haha right. Would have been sad/funny if Gonzaga won, because then WCC could rightfully claim that they had as many members with a national title (San Francisco-Gonzaga) as the Big 12 (Kansas-Okie State).
 
Haha right. Would have been sad/funny if Gonzaga won, because then WCC could rightfully claim that they had as many members with a national title (San Francisco-Gonzaga) as the Big 12 (Kansas-Okie State).
Nobody with any backbone would've stuck around to hold Texas' jock, but the ones that did just so happen to be way more entertaining at bounce ball than other loaded conferences. Haha right
 
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Baylor was scheduled to play the Zags this year in the regular season, but Covid canceled it.
Hell we were scheduled to play Gonzaga in the regular season before the seaso

Not sure that 1-12 stat is overly meaningful, especially when you consider the fact that Gonzaga was a 7 seed or lower in half of those games. And if we take the top 16 teams from KenPom in just the past 4 tournaments, Gonzaga has more wins than anyone else in the country. That would include victories over #6 USC and #7 West Virginia. I will concede that Texas Tech's four wins over top 6 teams should carry more weight. Also, since 1999, Gonzaga has 10 wins over schools that were seeded higher than them. I want to say Michigan State is the only other school in that time frame with more wins against higher seeded teams.

Gonzaga
USC- #6, 2021
West Virginia- #7, 2017
UCLA- #13, 2021
Florida State- #14, 2019
Ohio State- #16, 2018

Villanova
West Virginia- #12, 2018
Texas Tech- #11, 2018
Kansas- #9, 2018
Michigan- #7, 2018

Texas Tech
Michigan - #6, 2019
Gonzaga - #2, 2019
Michigan State- #3, 2019
Purdue - #5, 2018

UNC
Kentucky - #4, 2017
Oregon- #10, 2017
Gonzaga- #1, 2017

Oregon
Kansas- #6, 2017
Wisconsin- #16, 2019
Iowa- #7, 2021

Kentucky
Houston - #12, 2019
Wichita State - #8, 2017
UCLA - #16, 2017

Virginia
Purdue- #9, 2019
Auburn- #11, 2019
Texas Tech- #5, 2019

Kansas
Clemson- #14, 2018
Duke- #3, 2018

Michigan
Louisville- #9, 2017
Florida State- #15, 2021
But no championships

We should have won. A play here or there. Also if Owens doesn’t hurt his ankle.
 
We should have won. A play here or there. Also if Owens doesn’t hurt his ankle.

You definitely could have won. Should have is hard to argue. We were in control for most of that second half and had a pretty sizable lead until the end.
 
Not sure that 1-12 stat is overly meaningful, especially when you consider the fact that Gonzaga was a 7 seed or lower in half of those games. And if we take the top 16 teams from KenPom in just the past 4 tournaments, Gonzaga has more wins than anyone else in the country. That would include victories over #6 USC and #7 West Virginia. I will concede that Texas Tech's four wins over top 6 teams should carry more weight. Also, since 1999, Gonzaga has 10 wins over schools that were seeded higher than them. I want to say Michigan State is the only other school in that time frame with more wins against higher seeded teams.

Gonzaga
USC- #6, 2021
West Virginia- #7, 2017
UCLA- #13, 2021
Florida State- #14, 2019
Ohio State- #16, 2018

Villanova
West Virginia- #12, 2018
Texas Tech- #11, 2018
Kansas- #9, 2018
Michigan- #7, 2018

Texas Tech
Michigan - #6, 2019
Gonzaga - #2, 2019
Michigan State- #3, 2019
Purdue - #5, 2018

UNC
Kentucky - #4, 2017
Oregon- #10, 2017
Gonzaga- #1, 2017

Oregon
Kansas- #6, 2017
Wisconsin- #16, 2019
Iowa- #7, 2021

Kentucky
Houston - #12, 2019
Wichita State - #8, 2017
UCLA - #16, 2017

Virginia
Purdue- #9, 2019
Auburn- #11, 2019
Texas Tech- #5, 2019

Kansas
Clemson- #14, 2018
Duke- #3, 2018

Michigan
Louisville- #9, 2017
Florida State- #15, 2021

Yes, Gonzaga has beat a lot of good teams in the tournament. Apparently more than anyone recently, save Michigan State. It's still pretty telling when you can't win against a top 3 seed.

And sure, it took K and Duke a while to get over the hump. But 11 years vs 22 years and counting is a huge difference. And Few has really been on that coaching staff for 30+ years.
 
Hell we were scheduled to play Gonzaga in the regular season before the seaso




We should have won. A play here or there. Also if Owens doesn’t hurt his ankle.

Auburn has a far better claim to that title then tech does. Without okeke our best player and a botched call at the end
 
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