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  1. Wasnt-drunk-didnt-troll

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    All of this is true. Our schedule set up well for us last year also. All I'm saying is with all that talent not winning the west during this span would be underachieving. We are Iowa when there is that much talent on the roster we need to take advantage, especially in years when jNW wins it all.
     
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    you have shown me nothing, any competent QB can throw the ball or hand it off. but without RB's or WR's to hand it off to or pass to, you not win any games.

    the OL needs experienced players to block for the RB's, DE's need solid DT's and LB'rs to make it work, the DE's CAN'T do it all by themselves.

    like I said it take 11 payers on Defense and 11 players on Offense playing together to play winning FB, not just a couple here or there, relying on a couple position and you end up with a losing team,

    QB's like Chandler proved this. Stanzi did the same thing. Stanzi had RB Greene who ran for over 1800 yards.

    look at Wisconsin it was their RB's that was/were respoinsible for them winning
    a coupe years ago it was RB Barkley that led PSU to winning seasons

    Michigan has been winning with defense but not just with DE's they also relied on DT's and LB'rs. with solid DB's, 2 players do not nake the defense great or even good by themselves, they need the other 9 players to play their best,

    this fall the DT's are replacing 2 former non starting DE's until the 18 season
    DT Lattimore was a starter as a SO but because of a injuries RSSR Brinks started in his place
    DT might be RSSR Reiff a true DT who replaces DT Converted from DE Matt Nelson

    but some are hoping that RSSO JUCO Top 50 Nixon is the starter 6'3 308 lbs
     
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    Translation please? Is drunk and woefully unarmed.
     
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    Ask me what I mean by relative.
     
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    Hooorrrreeeyyyy sheet dude, relax. You are jumping all over.

    Alright your answer.
    What would you say are the three most important positions on a football team in 2019?

    You do understand there is a greater than 100% turnover rate every 5 years in this sport no matter what right?
     
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    Woefully armed fits best.
     
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    NCAAFB is not the NFL. And no. It is relative to the two shiity guards you have next to your talented tackles. Its the underperforming defensive tackles next to your dynamic d-ends.

    Your offense will be bad if your guards suck. Your ends will be stymied if your tackles can't control their gaps.
     
  9. Wasnt-drunk-didnt-troll

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    Holy fvcking sh1t there are 2 of you. This isnt a "it takes a team" conversation. You have to start with player 1 and build. All players in each round are equal value to the players in thier round. Who you taking? You putting #1 on a Right guard? You putting your #1 into a single CB or safety? No dipsh1t, your #1 is going to be a LT, QB, or DE and even if you want to pull some BS "I'd take a Linebacker" chit by round 3 you would take a QB.
     
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    lol!
     
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    it was not experienced it was a bunch of SO starting for the 1st time, what is it about that you don't understand. remember Wadley and Daniels have their best seasons UNTIL they were a RSJR and SR's years and you were expecting more from a RSSO and 2 SO's same with the WR's that were SO's
    ISM as a FR had 18 catches for 187 yards
    Brandon Smith had 3 catches for 25 yards
    JUCO Walk on Easley as a JR had 51 catches for 530 yards
    now in their 2nd year
    JUCO Walk on SR Easley had 52 catches for 494 yards
    1st year starting Brandon Smith had 28 catches for 361 yards
    backup ISM to SR Easley had 23 catches for 361 yards,

    food for thought
    JUCO Transfer Sargeant didn't get on campus until Junes after he graduated from IWCC.

    what talent are you talking about a bunch of unknown 1st year starters.
    NW returned a RSSR starting QB, SR RB who was a returning 1000 yard rusher.
    Purdue returned a 5th year QB some solid RB's and a very good defense and a couple of top notch WR

    PSU return a SR QB some solid RB's, WR's and a solid defense.
    Wisconsin was led by their RB, something you ignore and or say isn't important to how good the offense is, some are saying that their QB was not very good.

    you keep saying how much you know about Iowa but with your constant harping on good the talent was on the 2018 seasons team makes that highly questionable, the RSSR class was rated #59. the RSJR class was rated 58th, doesn't look like that's a talented group that played in the 2018 seasons.

    yes the RSSO/SO, RSFR/FR played a big part, but those players best years are still in front of them.

    you really need to reavaluate what you a talented group of players, then then get back to me, when you won't call recruiting classes of 59 and 58 all that talent should have done this or that,

    59th and 58th rated classes usually end up with 6th or 7th place finishes in the BT West and 2-10 maybe 9 win seasons. not T-2nd and a 9-4 bowl win season or T-3rd and 8-5 bowl win season.
     
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    Answer the question.

    What are the top 3 most important positions on the field, as the game is played, in 2019?

    You claim to be a former coach, this isnt a hard question.
     
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    Iowa returns 7 starters on defense and in Backup DE Epenesa led the team and BT with a T-8 nationally in Sacks.
    DT Lattimore after being replaced by 1st year starter DE converted to DT because of a injury, Lattimore was a starter as a SO, but Brincks was doing such a good job so instead of screwing with a good thing Brinks remained the starter,

    so they return 1 starting DT and all 3 starting LB'rs, these endee up starting in the 2ndary
    CB RSSR Ojemudia
    CB SO Moss started 4 games due to injuries
    CB SO 4* Brents started 4 games due to injuries
    CB JR Hankins
    FS SO Stone that makes 9 returning starters on defense.
    on offense these are the returning starters or play makers
    QB Stanley
    RB Sargeant
    RB Kelly-Martin the seasons starter till injuries knocked him out of the lineup
    RB Young took over for IKM then Sargeant took over due to injuries.
    WR Brandon Smith 1st year starter
    LT Jackson
    RT Wirfs
    G/C Banwart started due to injuries and to end the season in place of Ferguson.
    G/T Levi Paulson got his starts in injuries situations
    on offense they lost as full time starters
    WR Easley
    TE Hockenson
    C Render
    LG Reynolds
    that makes 4 full time starters so when you know who they lost as full time starters that makes 8 returning starters on offense and 9 on defense for a total of 17 returning starters, the 1 starter in Banwart is battling RSFR Linderbaum at the center position and Levi Paulson at RG. not sure where that 10 returning starters number came from. they do graduate 13 SR's and go into the season with 83 players on scholarship out of the 85 they are allowed. there have been a few that left as GT and a couple just transferred out so the number have changed and who knows how many walk on will get scholarships.
     
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    You are special.
     
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    and you keep ignoring my answers. again just for you
    the QB is worthless with out good RB's or WR's, the TE's are not the normal options in the offense. 2018 was the exception. any coach that is worth a shit uses his best options in his offense, is this case the TE's were the best options.

    the DE's are defenitely not the #1 options on defense that goes to the LB'rs, in most defenses the DL Funnels the RB's to the LB'rs and contain the QB's

    each player has their resposibility but no one positiosn is not that important that none of the other positions can be ignored like you are trying to do.

    can't make it any more simpler than that.
     
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    no I just know more about the Iowa team than you do.
     
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    Ho Lee chit.

    You...are just....so fvcking stupid. I'm officially impressed.
     
  18. Wasnt-drunk-didnt-troll

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    You cant make it any simpler than that? Bro I have a Masters degree and double majored and dont have a clue what your actual answer is. The best answer I can see from what you typed was RB,WR,TE and LB.....when asked for 3. I'm not talking about Iowa specifically kilroy, any football team, what are the 3 most important positions? Try.

    1.
    2.
    3.

    Dont type anything else.
     
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    to add to this RB's, LB'rs, and 3rd is the QB. but that is dictated by the offense you want to run.
    you don't want a Pocket passer for a spread offense or the wishbone offense,

    the only reason the QB is truly important is the offense you want to run, remember the QB is one injury away to being replaced,. again no one position or player is that important to the success or failure of the team,

    what you've never heard the expression " there is no I in team"
     
  20. Wasnt-drunk-didnt-troll

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    Ok. RBs, LBs,QB (I am assuming you mean MLB since you cant draft more than 1 player). I disagree,
    but let's work with that. What your next set of 3?
    Try.

    1
    2
    3
     
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    I'm not stupid but wasn'tdrunk is the stupid one, give me 11 solid Offensive players and 11 solid defensive players and I will beat your 1 or 2 position only team every time

    just look at your own team you had a great QB and yet your teams went 4-8, a good to great QB can't do it all by himself now can/did he.
     
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    Adrian Martenez was literally the only thing that made Nebraska Dangerous. Kilroy again I'm trying to be nice but you are making this tough.
     
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    1 punters/kickers
    2 OL
    3 DL
    4 DB
    5 TE
    this is enough of your ignorance.don't @ me again.
     
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    I am done, as I am tired of your silly questions

    you don't like my opinion
    tough shit, you have yours and I have the tight to have mine and I AM DONE defending my opinion which I am not required to do, goodnight and goodbye. because my next option is the ignore feature.
     
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    Haven't you used that feature on me 3 times now ? :confused:
     
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    next time just post a top-11 to keep Gilligan out of the thread
     
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    dragonhawk1855,578849"]
    1 punters/kickers
    2 OL
    3 DL
    4 DB
    5 TE
    this is enough of your ignorance.don't @ me again.

    This is amazing. Kilroy I dont mean to get rude but it has been over 2 hours of me asking if the quarterback is one of the 3 most important positions in the game before you gave an answer. You are a senile old man.
     
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    I dont think you understand the question.
     
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    As an Iowa fan I apologize for him. This guy is an absolute moron.
     
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    Here is the links to the Iowa spring prospectus and the Big 10 spring prospectus which both state (and list) that Iowa has 10 returning starters(6 on O and 4 on D).

    https://s3.amazonaws.com/sidearm.si...ocuments/2019/3/27/2019_Spring_Prospectus.pdf

    https://bigten.org/documents/2019/4/3//2019_Big_Ten_Football_Prospectus.pdf?id=6425
     
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    Dude, you really have the most unintentionally hilarious arguments with people on here
     
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    Anyone upset with Nebraska's ranking here can take solace in the fact that Athlon made it up by placing Martinez on the 3rd team pre-season All-Conference team. Behind Justin Fields.

    I shouldn't have to go in depth on how absurd that is.
     
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    nope not even once
     
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    talking to yourself in the Mirror?
     
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    all I need to do is look at last seasons depth chart and look at this years depth chart

    on Offense
    QB Stanley
    RB Sargeant
    FB Ross
    WR Smith
    LT Jackson
    RT Wirfs
    RG Now listed as the starting Center Banwart.
    that's 8 on Offense
    these started due to injuries
    RB Ivory Kelly-Martin last season starting RB to start the season
    RB Young replaced Kelly-Martin as the starter dure to injury then Sargeant ended the season as the starter.

    Defense
    WLB Colbert
    MLB Welch
    OLB Niemann
    CB Hankins
    S Stone
    CB Ojemudia
    these got starts due to injuries
    CB Moss 4 starts
    CB Brents 4 starts
    that's 6 sTARTERS for the season with 2 getting 4 starts

    these were the losses on defense
    S JR Hooker
    DE RSSR Hesse
    DE RSJR Athony Nelson
    DT RSSR Brinks
    DT RSSR Matt Nelson
    that's 5 starters that left on defense.
    on offense
    WR Easley
    TE Hockenson
    LG Reynolds
    C Render.
    TE Fant was listed only in a 2 TE set, or when the FB didn't start, there were multiple injuries to the offense giving players chances to start during the season.

    the problem with those sites is they go off the starting lineup from the bowl game not from the regular season.

    have you contacted the staff and informed that they only have 4 returning starters on defense?
     
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    IMO this is how you build a offense
    Center is the 1st one, he is the 1st one to the line of scrimage to survey the defense and calls out the blocking schemes, 6-2 to 6-4 285 to 300 lbs able to snap in shotgun or under center QB's

    RG/LG, these have to be agile to pull or stationary in blocking prefer they be able to do both
    6'4 to 6'6 300 to 315 lbs to allow them to maintain their mobility

    RT/LT Tall with long arms with agility to protect the QB's blind side from outside rushers
    6-5 to 6'7 or the occasional 6'8 315 to 330 lbs

    then the TE prefer the more complete TE like Hockenson who can block at both the line of scrimmage or down field

    RB's or APB, being able to block, run and catch the ball, screen,out of the backfield and even lineup in the slot, 5'8 to 6'2 180 to 215 with agility, vision and speed.
    FB a big bruiser that loves to hit, sometimes a 5'10 to 6'0 LB fits this mode

    WR Slot/SE/WO. all 3 is preferred

    the last piece to the puzzle is the QB that will fit what you want to use in your system.

    DT for the spread with some ability to throw the ball,
    PP for the pro style offense
    the PP can have some running abilty to move the pocket and make plays while doing so,
    this is how I would build my offense from the ground up. the game is won or lost is in the trenches.
     

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