Congrats, but you know the best part? Nobody cares. Iowa will get to keep Fran for as long as he wants to be there.… or until he has a heart attack on the court from flipping out every 2 seconds.
are the 1 n done really worth it
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there is the problem you now use the excuse of their age, there is a reason why those players are 1 n dones. if there was no rule these players would go straight to the NBA, so in fact your team is using NBA level talent against college level talent.
as for Iowa the last 3 seasons. this has been the class break down
2017
2 FR
3 SO's
as the starters
2018 3 JR's
1 SO
1 FR
2019
1 JR
2 SO
2 FR
possible 20 starters
1 SR
1 RSSR
1 RSJR
1 JR
1 SO
this season they will have the SR leadership that has been missing the last couple years. for a team that does not have 5* players needs to have those SR leaders on the team.
you must be really worried about the way this team is headed. even if Garza does not return these might be the starters
PG 4* SO Toussaint 6'0
SG 4* RSSR JBo 6'1
WG 4*JR Wieskamp 6'6
PF 4* RSJR Connor 6'5
C 3* RSSO Nunge 7'0/6'11
with these off the bench
PG 4* FR 6'2 Ulis
F 4* RSFR 6'9 Patrick
with all but JBo returning in the 22 season. leaving Fran with 5 4* players before anybody gets added in the 21 recruiting class.
You still don't get it. Yeah, the Zion's and Anthony Davis' would go straight to the NBA, but 95% of the guys UK gets (Kevin Knox, PJ Washington, Shai Alexander, Diallo, Fox, Monk, Bam etc… ) need development. They get drafted on potential, not what they did in college.
Guys like Davis, Zion, Ben Simmons, John Wall and RJ Barrett have size, length, athleticism AND skill. Those guys can certainly go straight to the NBA, they are transcendent players. The rest come to college without a lot of polish.
Also, how do you think Fran would do if he had a brand new team every year? Do you think it's easy to blend a bunch of new players every year and win at the college level?
They're still 17 and 18 year old kids that are trying to adjust from HS to college with all new teammates. Programs, like Iowa, that are playing with juniors and seniors, should beat a team of freshmen 7 out of 10 times, but Iowa is not able to do that. Why?
So you think UK is worried about Iowa? You do this every year and every year you are proven wrong.
Iowa is an average program. They always finish middle of the pack in the big10 and lose before the sweet 16. It’s the same thing every year. Iowa sucks.
basically he has had to do just that, players leave early as GT's or EE to the NBA. or injury
just last Season these would have been the starters
SR Cook
SR Jordan
RSSR Moss
JR Garza
SO Wieskamp
Fran lost 3 SR's leaving him with
1 JR
2 SO's
2 FR's again your arguments fail but you are making my point and question valid, are the 1 n done 5* players worth it.
they come in play a year then leave for the Pro's leaving their teammates high and dry.
Well, compare Iowa's last 10 years to UK. Is it worth it to you or not?
I'll say this, if UK had results similar to Iowa's, I'd lose interest in college basketball. Hell, I'd probably not watch college sports at all if my program was okay with being mediocre 100% of the time.
Apples oranges. Get back with me the next time Iowa signs the top rated FB recruit at his position that is not from Iowa...
Blue Blood schools in baseball, men's basketball, and football dominate that sport's recruiting. They will have a larger percentage that go to the pro sports and probably a larger percentage overall in these sports.
You are clueless...
SDE Epenesa 5* from Illinois in the 2017 class.
OL Davidkov from Illinois #53 by 247 2021
now if we go back to the early years under KF here were the top players
LB 5* Roth from Illinois
QB Tate from Texas
OL Jones from Illinois
LB 5* Williams from Illinois
RB Jermelle Lewis from Conneticutt
they do get the 5* players just not on the level of O$U,
there is another point that needs to be addressed is finding the players that want to play for Iowa as when they think of Iowa the 1st thing they think of is that cornfield grow right next to Kinnick Stadium then there is the culture shock as it is nothing like what they grew up in.
as Fry used to say getting on campus was the hardest battle, but once they came the campus and city sold itself.
Iowa has a vast cross roads of cultures, German's, Bosnian, Asians, Mexicans, Polish, Czechs, Dutch, even the University has people from India doing their Post Grad work at the University.
Iowa really does not cater to just one group, simply because they can't as there are too many different cultures at the University, the BLM group don't give a shit about the other groups as its all about them and only them,
since the 10th year was cancelled and so far in year 11 they are as high as #3 in the too early rankings and a 3 seed in the latest Bracket, yeah I am happy with that. the best part is after Garza and JBo leave these will sill be here
Top 100 by both sites 6'9 Patrick
Top 100 by both and #42 by Rivals in 6'6 Wieskamp.
Top 100 by ESPN and outside Rivals 4* 6'5 Connor
4* by ESPN 6'0 Toussaint
4* by Rival 6'2 Ulis
with the 21 class to be filled.
I said compare results, not what some media member thinks Iowa will be in the upcoming season. Even then, Iowa doesn’t compare, because UK might have the best team they have had since 2015 (38-1).
But, you said you were "happy with that". Well, again, that wasn't the question. Heck, that wasn't even the question you asked in your original post, which is what I asked you about. Is there, or is there not, a huge difference in the results that UK and Duke have had with one-and-done talent and the results Iowa has had with 4 year guys? You asked, "is it worth it", well, compare Iowa's results from the last ten years to the only two schools that utilize freshmen laden teams (UK and Duke).
It's like a 1976 Ford Pinto (Iowa) racing a modern day top fuel drag car (UK and/or Duke) in the quarter mile. UK has made as many final fours (4) as Iowa has tournament appearances. That’s pathetic and I would say yes, it is worth it to utilize elite young talent, IF, IF, IF, you can A) get those players and B) morph them into a team at the college level, which requires great chemistry, balance, trust, communication and a great defense.
There aren't too many coaches that want to deal with those egos and the entourage of people that come along with them. Fran shouldn't even try.
the problem is it has been a long time since Fran has had 4 year players to work with, the last time was in the 15-16 season when Fran had a top 50 player in Woodbury and top 100 player in Gesell that teamed finished 3rd in the BT got a 7 seed then lost to #2 seed Villanova who ended up winning the NCAAT Champioship now fast forward to the 20-21 season Fran will have these for starters assuming Garza returns
C 4* top 100 Garza SR
PF 4* top 100 Connor RSJR
WG 4* top 100 Wieskamp JR
CG 4* JBo RSSR
PG 4* Toussaint
that will be the oldest and most experienced group that has to start the season with, now we will see how this seasons experienced team will do with 2 SR's, 2 JR's and 1 SO.
Garza a 1st team AA, 1st team all BT and BT POY
Wieskamp 3rd team All BT
JBo 3rd team All BT
as the teams leaders.
C 4* top 100 Garza SR
PF 4* top 100 Connor RSJR
WG 4* top 100 Wieskamp JR
CG 4* JBo RSSR
PG 4* Toussaint
that will be the oldest and most experienced group that has to start the season with, now we will see how this seasons experienced team will do with 2 SR's, 2 JR's and 1 SO.
Garza a 1st team AA, 1st team all BT and BT POY
Wieskamp 3rd team All BT
JBo 3rd team All BT
as the teams leaders.
If Iowa/Fran can’t keep any of those 2, 3 or 4* players for more than 3 years, than why keep beating that dead horse? Don't you think it makes more sense to bring in the most talented players you can?
Cook was a EE to the NBA and he was rated #38 by ESPN.
Garza is looking at being a EE to the NBA.
Moss was a 4* by ESPN who left because Fran told him the offense was not going to run thru him like it had with Jok, Marble and White so he went to Kansas as a GT.
the others have done what so many other from multiple players across the country have and are doing.
some call these misses but I call them just players that were not good or prepared to play at this level.
every year it gets harder to keep players all 4 years. Fran has now gotten Iowa into the position to get 4* players that may stay all 4 years,
Garza had a year nobody saw coming and is looking at going to the NBA although in the latest mock draft Garza was rated #86.
he is back on campus practicing with his teammates with a decision coming on August 2nd.
So, if you can't even keep 3 and 4* guys for the long haul, doesn't it make sense to you to bring in the 5* kids? It does to me. Everyone thinks they're a star, but I would rather take the 6'7" SF with elite athleticism over the 6'5" guy that has credit card hops. By March, that 5* kid will be much better, as long as he puts the work in.
no you are saying that the players can't develop
3* non top 150 Marble ended up as a SR 1st Team All BT and was a 2nd rnd NBA pick that made the team then had his career cut short due to eye injuries which needed surgery to save his eyesight, currently on a Euro team
3* non top 100 White 1st Team All BT as a SR 2nd rnd NBA pick whose team stashed him overseas who last fall turned the chance to play in the NBA to play in Europe
3* non top 150 1st team All BT Jok avg 19.9 ppg is currently in the G-League.
3* by Rivals top 100 4* by ESPN 1st team All BT, just signed a contract to play in the NBA Uthoff.
Garza 1st Team All BT 1st team AA BT POY, Sporting News POY, after his JR year. 4* out side Rivals top 100, #100 by ESPN. that is called developing players, now Fran has the depth and does not have to rely on just a couple players like he did in the past.
again this team makeup
SR Garza 4*
RSSR Jordan 4*
RSJR Connor 4*
JR Wieskamp 4*
SO Toussaint 4*
off the bench
RSFR Patrick 4*
FR Ulis 4*
as of now all are 4 year players and all are getting better. this is what you are ignoring. there are no longer any 2* players on this team the last players that fit that was Clemmons who was part of a team that went to the NCAAT 3 times and won the 3rd wins by 4 year starters.
Fran has turned the corner by using 3-4* recruits and you can't deal with that.
3* non top 150 Marble ended up as a SR 1st Team All BT and was a 2nd rnd NBA pick that made the team then had his career cut short due to eye injuries which needed surgery to save his eyesight, currently on a Euro team
3* non top 100 White 1st Team All BT as a SR 2nd rnd NBA pick whose team stashed him overseas who last fall turned the chance to play in the NBA to play in Europe
3* non top 150 1st team All BT Jok avg 19.9 ppg is currently in the G-League.
3* by Rivals top 100 4* by ESPN 1st team All BT, just signed a contract to play in the NBA Uthoff.
Garza 1st Team All BT 1st team AA BT POY, Sporting News POY, after his JR year. 4* out side Rivals top 100, #100 by ESPN. that is called developing players, now Fran has the depth and does not have to rely on just a couple players like he did in the past.
again this team makeup
SR Garza 4*
RSSR Jordan 4*
RSJR Connor 4*
JR Wieskamp 4*
SO Toussaint 4*
off the bench
RSFR Patrick 4*
FR Ulis 4*
as of now all are 4 year players and all are getting better. this is what you are ignoring. there are no longer any 2* players on this team the last players that fit that was Clemmons who was part of a team that went to the NCAAT 3 times and won the 3rd wins by 4 year starters.
Fran has turned the corner by using 3-4* recruits and you can't deal with that.
The guy is an attention whore. Ignore him, and he will disappear.
Wait, you said Iowa can’t keep their 3 and 4* kids for 4 years, but you keep listing 3 and 4* seniors in all these dumb posts you keep putting out where you go into detail on any decent player that played for Iowa.
You said Iowa can’t keep their players beyond 3 years, so I asked if it was smart to start recruiting 5* talent, then you replay with how great these senior 3 and 4* guys have done.
Also, Fran hasn't turned any corner and what makes you think I can't deal with Fran's accomplishments? Iowa isn’t a pimple on an elephant's ass and you're the only one that doesn’t see that. Obviously you live in some bubble where only Iowa exists, because that's the only way you can think the way you do.
Look, stop listing names, weights, rankings, ppg, rpg and classes for these iowa kids. You're literally wasting your own time every time you do that. It makes your posts much longer than they need to be. Nobody cares about that crap. Do you see me listing the stats of Anthony Davis, John Wall, Eric Bledsoe, Karl Townes, Julius Randle, Dearron Fox, Shai Alexander, PJ Washington, Tyler Herro, Tre Lyles, Aaron Harrison, Tyler Ulis, Jamal Murray, Terrance Jones, Malik Monk, Brandon Knight, Alex Poythress, Andrew Harrison, Demarcus Cousins, Marcus Teague, Michael Kidd Gilchrist, Willie Cauley Stein, Dakari Johnson, Doron Lamb, Darius Miller, Tyrese Maxey, Immanuel Quickly, Nick Richards, Keldon Johnson or Brad Calipari? No, it’s stupid, so take my advice and stop doing it.
talk about being a attention whore. you are the perfect example of what one is.Wait, you said Iowa can’t keep their 3 and 4* kids for 4 years, but you keep listing 3 and 4* seniors in all these dumb posts you keep putting out where you go into detail on any decent player that played for Iowa.
You said Iowa can’t keep their players beyond 3 years, so I asked if it was smart to start recruiting 5* talent, then you replay with how great these senior 3 and 4* guys have done.
Also, Fran hasn't turned any corner and what makes you think I can't deal with Fran's accomplishments? Iowa isn’t a pimple on an elephant's ass and you're the only one that doesn’t see that. Obviously you live in some bubble where only Iowa exists, because that's the only way you can think the way you do.
Look, stop listing names, weights, rankings, ppg, rpg and classes for these iowa kids. You're literally wasting your own time every time you do that. It makes your posts much longer than they need to be. Nobody cares about that crap. Do you see me listing the stats of Anthony Davis, John Wall, Eric Bledsoe, Karl Townes, Julius Randle, Dearron Fox, Shai Alexander, PJ Washington, Tyler Herro, Tre Lyles, Aaron Harrison, Tyler Ulis, Jamal Murray, Terrance Jones, Malik Monk, Brandon Knight, Alex Poythress, Andrew Harrison, Demarcus Cousins, Marcus Teague, Michael Kidd Gilchrist, Willie Cauley Stein, Dakari Johnson, Doron Lamb, Darius Miller, Tyrese Maxey, Immanuel Quickly, Nick Richards, Keldon Johnson or Brad Calipari? No, it’s stupid, so take my advice and stop doing it.
funny how you use just Iowa while ignoring these teams that made the FF with SR led Teams and ZERO 5* players
WSU of the MVC
Illinois Chicago of the MVC
to bad these left,
SR to be Cook
RSSR Moss
SR JBo who needed a 2nd hip surgery
otherwise this year lineup would have been this.
C Garza JR back up Nunge if he had stayed healthy
F Cook SO Connor
WG SO Wieskamp
SG RSSR Moss backup Fredrick
SR Jordan backup Toussaint.
that would have been 3 SR's on that team. the results could have changed
WSU of the MVC
Illinois Chicago of the MVC
to bad these left,
SR to be Cook
RSSR Moss
SR JBo who needed a 2nd hip surgery
otherwise this year lineup would have been this.
C Garza JR back up Nunge if he had stayed healthy
F Cook SO Connor
WG SO Wieskamp
SG RSSR Moss backup Fredrick
SR Jordan backup Toussaint.
that would have been 3 SR's on that team. the results could have changed
So basically you’re just going to.ignore what I said? Yeah, you’re pretty worthless.
Name a program that has accomplished more in the NCAAT than UK and Duke the last 10 years.
Congrats on finding a bunch of schools that made the FF once in the last ten years to make your point. Wichita State and Illinois Chicago? Are you dense? What did they do the rest of their existence?
If you're going to throw examples out there, use Villanova, UConn or North Carolina dipshit.
always with the name calling, the 1 n dones really start to become the norm till about 10-15 years ago. so its not like this as been the norm for the last 60+ years. so the data is limited to judge how effective it has been. lets look at this in another 10-15 years especially with the NCAA implenting the rule of the one time transfer rule.
then it becomes a FA Market. if player A commits then at the end of the year he leaves for whatever reason lack of the playing time he feels he deserves or maybe a coach says something a player finds offensive then leaves.
then College BB and FB goes to hell in a hand basket. pretty soon the players will be running the programs with coaches walking on egg shell afraid of saying the wrong thing at the wrong time out of fear of offending a player and losing his/her job because of it.
