After the Top 4 Teams Does Seeding REALLY Matter?

Random UK Fan

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I know this question will illicit the knee-jerk reactions of “Of course!”, . . theres debates over who should be a 2 vs a 3 seed, etc. But if you belong in the championship, you’ll win your way there if you are champion-potential, IMO.
 

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I know this question will illicit the knee-jerk reactions of “Of course!”, . . theres debates over who should be a 2 vs a 3 seed, etc. But if you belong in the championship, you’ll win your way there if you are champion-potential, IMO.
To be fair is there a big difference between being a 1 or 2 seed either? Why does the top 4 matter honestly?
 
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It does, you'd rather be 7 or 10 seed instead of 8 and 9, since no one wants to play a top seed in the round of 32. Also 11th seeded teams seem to be making to the final four a lot more often than 8, 9 and 10 seeds, so it can be a lucky charm for a potential deep Cinderella run.
 
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It's all about matchups, the field has so much parity this year. There are 8/9 seeds that 1 seeds wont be thrilled about playing.
 

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If you are not that good it matters quite a bit...

If you are good but not great than matchups do matter...

If you are a great team then play like it and you will beat most teams most of the time. Of course the best team out there with the easiest road can still lose.
 

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For Gonzaga, it'll be interesting. they could be at an athletic disadvantage in a lot of their games, which isn't great.
 

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Stole this from the Arizona board as we were talking about it over there:



40.7% chance to make the final four as a #1 seed
20.7% chance to make the final four as a #2 seed
12.1% chance to make the final four as a #3 seed
9.3% chance to make the final four as a #4 seed
5% chance to make the final four as a #5 seed
2.1% chance to make the final four as a #6 seed
2.1% chance to make the final four as a #7 seed
3.6% chance to make the final four as a #8 seed
0.7% chance to make the final four as a #9 seed
0.7% chance to make the final four as a #10 seed
2.9% chance to make the final four as a #11 seed
0.0% chance to make the final four as a #12 seed
0.0% chance to make the final four as a #13 seed
0.0% chance to make the final four as a #14 seed
0.0% chance to make the final four as a #15 seed
0.0% chance to make the final four as a #16 seed

1 Seeds to make the final four was eye opening. This is based on the modern format when they started seeding teams in 1979.

North Carolina (17 #1 Seed / 10 Final Fours)
Duke (14 #1 Seed / 7 Final Fours)
Kansas (14 #1 Seed / 5 Final Fours)
Kentucky (12 #1 Seed / 6 Final Fours)
Virginia (7 #1 Seed / 2 Final Fours)
Arizona (6 #1 Seed / 1 Final Four)
 

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Stole this from the Arizona board as we were talking about it over there:



40.7% chance to make the final four as a #1 seed
20.7% chance to make the final four as a #2 seed
12.1% chance to make the final four as a #3 seed
9.3% chance to make the final four as a #4 seed
5% chance to make the final four as a #5 seed
2.1% chance to make the final four as a #6 seed
2.1% chance to make the final four as a #7 seed
3.6% chance to make the final four as a #8 seed
0.7% chance to make the final four as a #9 seed
0.7% chance to make the final four as a #10 seed
2.9% chance to make the final four as a #11 seed
0.0% chance to make the final four as a #12 seed
0.0% chance to make the final four as a #13 seed
0.0% chance to make the final four as a #14 seed
0.0% chance to make the final four as a #15 seed
0.0% chance to make the final four as a #16 seed

1 Seeds to make the final four was eye opening. This is based on the modern format when they started seeding teams in 1979.

North Carolina (17 #1 Seed / 10 Final Fours)
Duke (14 #1 Seed / 7 Final Fours)
Kansas (14 #1 Seed / 5 Final Fours)
Kentucky (12 #1 Seed / 6 Final Fours)
Virginia (7 #1 Seed / 2 Final Fours)
Arizona (6 #1 Seed / 1 Final Four)
Nice!
 

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Crazy that UVA has 7 1 seeds in program history. I mean lesbihonest. We are not on par with those other programs who have earned that many 1 seeds. I kinda figured we’d have the worst final four percentage but Arizona doing the lords work for us
 
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Stole this from the Arizona board as we were talking about it over there:



40.7% chance to make the final four as a #1 seed
20.7% chance to make the final four as a #2 seed
12.1% chance to make the final four as a #3 seed
9.3% chance to make the final four as a #4 seed
5% chance to make the final four as a #5 seed
2.1% chance to make the final four as a #6 seed
2.1% chance to make the final four as a #7 seed
3.6% chance to make the final four as a #8 seed
0.7% chance to make the final four as a #9 seed
0.7% chance to make the final four as a #10 seed
2.9% chance to make the final four as a #11 seed
0.0% chance to make the final four as a #12 seed
0.0% chance to make the final four as a #13 seed
0.0% chance to make the final four as a #14 seed
0.0% chance to make the final four as a #15 seed
0.0% chance to make the final four as a #16 seed

1 Seeds to make the final four was eye opening. This is based on the modern format when they started seeding teams in 1979.

North Carolina (17 #1 Seed / 10 Final Fours)
Duke (14 #1 Seed / 7 Final Fours)
Kansas (14 #1 Seed / 5 Final Fours)
Kentucky (12 #1 Seed / 6 Final Fours)
Virginia (7 #1 Seed / 2 Final Fours)
Arizona (6 #1 Seed / 1 Final Four)
 

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Thanks for the old history lesson but basketball has evolved from the blue bloods to a much wider base of teams that can not only beat them, but win a championship.
It's refreshing to see so many new and talented Head Coaching staffs.
Maybe none of these old blue blood guys win the 2022 tourney.
 

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Crazy that UVA has 7 1 seeds in program history. I mean lesbihonest. We are not on par with those other programs who have earned that many 1 seeds. I kinda figured we’d have the worst final four percentage but Arizona doing the lords work for us
That discovery re-hashed a lot of pain for Arizona. We knew we were cursed but damn, that's a terrible percentage.
 
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