ACCT Final Four

[GE Nole]

Will the ACCT Final Four have a better average KenPom than the NCAAT Final Four? It will very likely have an equal or better average seed (if you use the projected seeds that these 4 teams will earn).

Given that these games are all back to back to back days, it might be harder to win the ACCT than the NCAAt.

 

[jhmossy]

I don't think it's harder to win 3 games than 6 games. In that sense, the NCAAT is harder. However, I doubt you'll find much tougher competition than these 4 teams before the Elite 8.

 

[tw3301]

I thought there were only 3 teams left.

 

[GE Nole]

I don't think it's harder to win 3 games than 6 games. In that sense, the NCAAT is harder. However, I doubt you'll find much tougher competition than these 4 teams before the Elite 8.

That’s a fair point about winning 3 games vs 6. Well put.

 

[tw3301]

I don't think it's harder to win 3 games than 6 games. In that sense, the NCAAT is harder. However, I doubt you'll find much tougher competition than these 4 teams before the Elite 8.

What about 4 games in 4 days? The 2017 fighting Kennards managed that... Then lost in the second round.

 

[LetsGoDuke301]

It is also fair to debate whether it is tougher to win 3 games in 3 days vs 6 games in 17 or 18 days. Barring competition of course.

 

[jhmossy]

What about 4 games in 4 days? The 2017 fighting Kennards managed that... Then lost in the second round.

I think when you're a program like Duke, ACC championships are great and all but that's not how your success should be measured. Impressive and unprecedented run but maybe not worth it when you're Duke. For a program like UVA, winning ACC championships is more meaningful since we have such a small history of doing so. Now that we're starting to achieve more ACC success, the ACC tournament is becoming less important to us as fans at least.

 

[Quavarius]

I think when you're a program like Duke, ACC championships are great and all but that's not how your success should be measured. Impressive and unprecedented run but maybe not worth it when you're Duke. For a program like UVA, winning ACC championships is more meaningful since we have such a small history of doing so. Now that we're starting to achieve more ACC success, the ACC tournament is becoming less important to us as fans at least.

Meh, it had never been done in ACC history (winning 4 games in a row). Also, Duke had an ACC Tournament Championship drought (hadn’t won it since 2011). And that team...wait for it haters...dealt with a lot of injuries and never got going because of the injuries.

(*Waits for injury excuse police to arrest me*)

Also, people hate hearing it, but the ACC Champion is the ACC Tournament winner, so, yeah!

 

[jhmossy]

Meh, it had never been done in ACC history (winning 4 games in a row). Also, Duke had an ACC Tournament Championship drought (hadn’t won it since 2011). And that team...wait for it haters...dealt with a lot of injuries and never got going because of the injuries.

(*Waits for injury excuse police to arrest me*)

Also, people hate hearing it, but the ACC Champion is the ACC Tournament winner, so, yeah!

I agree that it was a great run and a historic run. ACC championships are never nothing to sneeze about. However, if you think that run affected your ability to succeed in the NCAAT, was it worth it? We UVA fans constantly debate whether we should sacrifice losses in the regular season and ACC tournament so that we're fresher and healthier for a deeper NCAA run. I don't know if the two really correlate with one another but it's definitely an interesting question.

 

[oldsports_]

*Waits for injury excuse police to arrest me*

You have the right to remain silent.......

 

[ChiTownSean]

1, 2, 3, 15 on Sagarin.

1, 3, 5, 15 if you like Ken pom.

I'd bet on the final four being worse every time lol

 

[dukedevilz]

Still think the 2017 Duke team is way under-appreciated. Most saw it as a roller-coaster year. But they went 15-3 in ACC Competition when playing with a full-lineup... 0-4 when missing a starter (Amile Jefferson missed two games; Grayson missed two games). And if I'm not mistaken, I think Duke led the country before the tournament started with 13 top 50 wins. Just unfortunate that they were placed in a region where they got a defacto road game. Crazy stuff happens all the time, but they were a top 5 team in my book.

 

[tw3301]

Still think the 2017 Duke team is way under-appreciated. Most saw it as a roller-coaster year. But they went 15-3 in ACC Competition when playing with a full-lineup... 0-4 when missing a starter (Amile Jefferson missed two games; Grayson missed two games). And if I'm not mistaken, I think Duke led the country before the tournament started with 13 top 50 wins. Just unfortunate that they were placed in a region where they got a defacto road game. Crazy stuff happens all the time, but they were a top 5 team in my book.

They couldn't guard my senior picture.

 

[dukedevilz]

They couldn't guard my senior picture.

It was certainly a struggle at times. So yes, the margin for error was a lot smaller than the current team, or even last year's team. But they defended infinitely better than 2014 or 2016, which at least gave them a solid chance, given how proficient the offense was.

 

[ExitFlagger]

Still think the 2017 Duke team is way under-appreciated. Most saw it as a roller-coaster year. But they went 15-3 in ACC Competition when playing with a full-lineup... 0-4 when missing a starter (Amile Jefferson missed two games; Grayson missed two games). And if I'm not mistaken, I think Duke led the country before the tournament started with 13 top 50 wins. Just unfortunate that they were placed in a region where they got a defacto road game. Crazy stuff happens all the time, but they were a top 5 team in my book.

KU has 15 top 50 wins this year. 10 without Azubuike.

Not bad, considering they're viewed as a team of scrubs.

 

[wrbchWolfPack81]

Has UVA ever hoisted a big trophy?

 

[jhmossy]

Has UVA ever hoisted a big trophy?

Depends on the sport

 

[Quavarius]

You have the right to remain silent.......

**** tha police!

 

[Quavarius]

I agree that it was a great run and a historic run. ACC championships are never nothing to sneeze about. However, if you think that run affected your ability to succeed in the NCAAT, was it worth it? We UVA fans constantly debate whether we should sacrifice losses in the regular season and ACC tournament so that we're fresher and healthier for a deeper NCAA run. I don't know if the two really correlate with one another but it's definitely an interesting question.

I’m not sure. Getting South Carolina in Columbia wasn’t ideal, either. But they went to the FF and were the better team. I just assumed the ACCT would be a spring board into the NCAAT. With the way we played and the teams we beat, we should have gone deeper in the tournament. But it wasn’t meant to be.

I’m not gonna lie, I think K did that in 2013. We lost to Maryland in the quarterfinals, but went to the Elite 8. I really think he wanted to get Ryan Kelly more rest. But I guess you have to know your team. That was an older team and maybe he doesn’t do that with his young teams. I think he feels more games will of course give them more experience (grow up quicker).

I would say this is the time you want to be peaking. Losing intentionally doesn’t help in that regard unless you know for a fact you can get to the FF with the team you have no matter the opponent.

 

[imajericho]

This is all shaping up nicely for a UNC ACC tourney title. UVA always seems to mess with our pace. FSU wants to run with us.

 

[hatsbo]

This is all shaping up nicely for a UNC ACC tourney title. UVA always seems to mess with our pace. FSU wants to run with us.

Uh, your still have to beat Zion...er...Duke.

 

[Quavarius]

I agree that it was a great run and a historic run. ACC championships are never nothing to sneeze about. However, if you think that run affected your ability to succeed in the NCAAT, was it worth it? We UVA fans constantly debate whether we should sacrifice losses in the regular season and ACC tournament so that we're fresher and healthier for a deeper NCAA run. I don't know if the two really correlate with one another but it's definitely an interesting question.

Welp Mossy...

 

[jhmossy]

Welp Mossy...

Won’t know until the NCAA tourney starts whether it was good or not. Better to lose now than next tourney at least

 

[Crappy Davenpot]

I thought there were only 3 teams left.

You thought wrong jackass.

 

[tw3301]

You thought wrong jackass.

Seems like I'm right... FSU, UNC, Duke. That's 3.

 

[ThroughBlue]

Seems like I'm right... FSU, UNC, Duke. That's 3.

Nice

 

[Crappy Davenpot]

Seems like I'm right... FSU, UNC, Duke. That's 3.

Now ur talking. Jackass retracted. Apologies.