A civil discussion of politics

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  1. Dattier

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    Saying, "No, this seat should go to Merrick Garland" is not an example showing "it goes both ways." And claiming something goes both ways as a way to avoid focusing on the one specific thing mentioned is just deflective. Under discussion here was your weak attempt to equate what President Obama was forced to do to get anything done w/ a Congress that basically stated their intentions to obstruct him on everything, sight unseen, with some hypothetical and irrelevant situation involving President Trump.
     
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    If your line n the sand is that it has to "benefit our economy" then you are playing right into Trump's hands. Reducing pollution costs money. Installing equipment to reduce emissions costs companies money. Safely handling the physical and chemical leftovers of our manufacturing processes costs money. THAT is why this is going away, because big money corporations don't want to be forced to have to spend that money.

    Individually, removing ourselves from the Paris Accord does not allow pollution to "run wild" as you say. But it is just another in a long line of examples of actions by our President that have put money in the pockets of Big Business at the cost of our environment. I don't really believe that Trump is stupid enough to think that Global Warming is really a fake scare tactic generated by the Chinese. I think that's just the line he has chosen to justify his attempts to fatten the wallets of American corporate fat cats because it sounds more Presidential than "I think that corporate owners (like Trump Inc.) will get wealthier if they didn't have to spend so much money on reducing pollution".

    Trust me, I can 100% guarantee that Trump didn't like having to spend money to properly dispose of waste on his building projects. I am sure he saw that as money that was wasted. And he has behaved exactly as I expected a person from that mentality to behave once in the White House. This is all about making wealthy people wealthier. It has nothing to do with helping the country or g individual workers or citizens.

    This is all about the bottom line. To pretend it is anything else is foolish. This really isn't very complicated at all.
     
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    Oh, so now the motivation behind refusing to do your job is important? Well, here we go...

    Hey... if the situation were reversed, and Trump did the same thing, would you be cool with it?
     
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    Did they? Now we have to have a history lesson on which party stopped working with the other?

    No, really, I think it's ridiculous that the GOP refused to work with Obama (a few of them, let's not pretend it was all of them), but at the same time, you're seeing the same thing now, but in reverse. Where's the outrage? Do you care?
     
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    Until his five second attention span kicks in and he forgets all about it or until the next controversy brews and it gets pushed to the side. Nobody REALLY believes that Trump is going to do something positive for the environment, do they? There's no money to be made in that decision for him.
     
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    These figures you keep throwing out are really pointless. People make minimum in grocery stores, serving minimums (2.13/hr in Ky) retail stores, department stores, prep cooks-food runners-hosts. There's plenty of people making minimum wage. You seem very out of touch with what goes on outside of your realm of the world.
     
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    House painters, pool guys, lawn guys, guys who stock warehouses, people who do just about anything that involves some type of labor and are beginners.
     
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    There are certain things that do go both ways. You've accurately identified things that do not.

    Conservatives here will probably try to bring up then Senator Biden's consideration of the hypothetical scenario of a judicial appointment in June of '92. That's also not the same, though.
     
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    Uh, yeah, the motivation behind things almost always matters.

    Are you still sleeping with your sister?
     
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    Yep, exactly. I should of put an etc..
     
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    You guys keep Kathy Griffin, we will take Tom Segura
     
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    We'll raise you our Louis CK and your Larry the Cable Guy.
     
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    First, I don't know who Tom Segura is.

    Second, come on now. You guys get the white NFL players and evangelicals. We get the black NFL players and comedians. We all know how this works.
     
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    And the Asians draft the Wu Tang Clan!
     
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    Uh, obviously it is important to know where it started. What, if someone breaks into someones house and gets shot by the homeowner, you just look at the shooting without looking into what caused it?

    It was a LOT of the GOP, and importantly it was the leaders.
     
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    You can have plenty of the comedians but we'll take Tom Segura, Bill Burr and Joe Rogan. Fair enough?
     
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    Joe Rogan is on my Libertarian team, dont try to take him (tho he needs to stop with Info Wars style bs) and Bill Burr is way more Libertarian than Republican.
     
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    Plenty of people? 2% of that plenty being above the age of 25?
     
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    Btw we may have gotten past this topic but I was curious about the free market. @SNU0821 and @USMC Cat I know you guys both believe the free market can work out a ton of things, wage included. So, how do you feel about Trump being about as far from the free market as he can be for most other economic issues?
     
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    I think your angle is to avoid the principle in favor of not caring b/c it's a small group of people.
     
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    They're still people, guy. Want to keep throwing out more arbitrary numbers? It's really enlightening and helping your case.
     
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    Even though it's not a small group of people.
     
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    But bill burr has absolute disgust for safe space people
     
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    In 2014, 77.2 million workers age 16 and older in the United States were paid at hourly rates, representing 58.7 percent of all wage and salary workers. Among those
    paid by the hour, 1.3 million earned exactly the prevailing federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour. About 1.7 million had wages below the federal minimum. Together, these
    3.0 million workers with wages at or below the federal minimum made up 3.9 percent of all hourly paid workers.

    Taken from BLS.gov

    When you throw percentages out, it makes it seem like a meniscule portion of society. Sorry pal, that's still 3 million people making far less than they should. People that work and accumulate 40-60 hrs/week deserve to have a roof over their head and be able to pay for things like "health insurance" or "food", which shouldn't be too tough of a concept to grasp..
     
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    Louis is bi partisan---nobody can claim his rights---he is too good.
     
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    First thing you need to do is netflix segura--best fat white guy impersonating back people ever.
     
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    He's definitely a liberal.
     
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    Wait, who gets the Rock?
     
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    Refuse to believe it---he is too smart to commit to either dumbass side
     
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    Well he stands for police justice in walking tall, and liberals usually think police are terrible---I think the blues take him
     
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    Is Kathy Griffin REALLY trying to play the victim card now? incredible.......what a wet fart
     
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    Thats a pretty common stance among Libertarians tho, throw in some cash and hes yours
     
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    Liberal =/= Democrat
     
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    Yep. If she's still getting raked over the coals this intensely a year from now, she would have a point. As it is, this is a 3 day old story and she ought to be keeping a low profile, patiently and remorsefully giving folks time to process their indignation.
     
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    You CAN have a roof over your head if you work 40 hours a week at minimum wage. It will just be a crappy roof because you have a crappy job. And you will not be able to afford it if you feel that roof needs to include DirectTV with a $200 monthly cable bill and an $800 iPhone with a $150 monthly cell phone bill.

    This country has a problem with people not recognizing what "living within your means" is. Too many "but I want it" folks out there spending money they haven't earned and whining because they don't make enough. If you make minimum wage then you can afford only to live on minimum expenses. Too many FAIL at this recognition.
     
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    No, you can't in a city like Louisville. I get what you're saying with priorities, but in order to have a "crappy" roof over your head, it's still 400-600$ a month on top of lights, gas, and electric, along with food and health insurance and transportation to your job, it's simply not feasible.
     
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    It's cheaper to buy. My mortgage payment is way less than what most of my friends are paying for rent at this point. But I agree, you can't rent a decent place around here unless you're willing to cough up at least 600 a month for rent alone. Either that or risk getting shot on the west end.
     
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    Pretty much, but getting approved tor a mortgage is a completely different conversation in itself.
     
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    Anybody who screws up like deserves some crap----then people should let it die out. And they certainly don't have to express faux outrage at a comedian crossing the line. Say its inappropriate, call it disgusting, then let it be. Nobody needs to hear more about griffin. You screw up, pay the consequences, then build back up-----not play the victim days later and then vow to keep making fun of the subject that you just stepped way over the line with.
     
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