2020-21 Way Too Early Top 50 Teams & Top 100 Players

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Some of these players won't come back, but I suspect most will. I'll try to get a final list of my top 50 teams, with rosters included, and top 150 players in October. Here are my preliminary rankings. I'm sure I missed on a few teams and players. What do you think?

Top 50 Teams:
1. Gonzaga
2. Villanova
3. Baylor
4. Virginia
5. Wisconsin
6. Kansas
7. Michigan State
8. Duke
9. Iowa
10. Texas Tech
11. Creighton
12. Arizona State
13. Tennessee
14. West Virginia
15. Florida State
16. Houston
17. Kentucky
18. Rutgers
19. Arizona
20. Texas
21. Illinois
22. North Carolina
23. Oregon
24. Seton Hall
25. Michigan
26. Louisville
27. Florida
28. Indiana
29. Richmond
30. Ohio State
31. Minnesota
32. Stanford
33. Miami
34. Arkansas
35. Purdue
36. UConn
37. Oklahoma
38. LSU
39. NC State
40. UCLA
41. Dayton
42. Georgia Tech
43. Penn State
44. Alabama
45. Northern Iowa
46. USC
47. Saint Louis
48. BYU
49. Oklahoma State
50. Loyola Chicago

Top 100 Players:
1. Luka Garza, Iowa
2. Filip Petrusev, Gonzaga
3. Jared Butler, Baylor
4. Sam Hauser, Virginia
5. Marcus Zegarowski, Creighton
6. Cade Cunningham, Oklahoma State
7. Collin Gillespie, Villanova
8. Xavier Tillman, Michigan State
9. Remy Martin, Arizona State
10. Trayce Jackson-Davis, Indiana
11. Jeremiah Robinson-Earl, Villanova
12. Jalen Johnson, Duke
13. Marcus Garrett, Kansas
14. McKinley Wright, Colorado
15. BJ Boston, Kentucky
16. Scottie Barnes, Florida State
17. Corey Kispert, Gonzaga
18. Kofi Cockburn, Illinois
19. Matt Coleman, Texas
20. Oscar Tshiebwe, West Virginia
21. Keyontae Johnson, Florida
22. Evan Mobley, USC
23. Jalen Crutcher, Dayton
24. Garrison Brooks, North Carolina
25. DJ Carton, Marquette
26. Terrence Shannon, Texas Tech
27. Oscar Da Silva, Stanford
28. Loren Jackson, Akron
29. MaCio Teague, Baylor
30. AJ Green, Northern Iowa
31. Wendell Moore, Duke
32. Terry Taylor, Austin Peay
33. John Fulkerson, Tennessee
34. Marcus Carr, Minnesota
35. Ochai Agbaji, Kansas
36. Justise Sueing, Ohio State
37. Mitch Ballock, Creighton
38. John Petty, Alabama
39. Sandro Mamukelashvili, Seton Hall
40. Fatts Russell, Rhode Island
41. Trevion Williams, Purdue
42. Quentin Grimes, Houston
43. James Bouknight, UConn
44. Michael Devoe, Georgia Tech
45. CJ Elleby, Washington State
46. Joe Wieskamp, Iowa
47. Azuolas Tubelis, Arizona
48. Derek Culver, West Virginia
49. Franz Wagner, Michigan
50. Jacob Gilyard, Richmond
51. Marreon Jackson, Toledo
52. Javonte Smart, LSU
53. Jalen Suggs, Gonzaga
54. Colbey Ross, Pepperdine
55. Jayden Gardner, East Carolina
56. Myreon Jones, Penn State
57. Javion Hamlet, North Texas
58. Kihei Clark, Virginia
59. Nate Reuvers, Wisconsin
60. Scottie Lewis, Florida
61. DJ Funderburk, NC State
62. Nate Darling, Delaware
63. Brady Manek, Oklahoma
64. Ziaire Williams, Stanford
65. Derrick Alston, Boise State
66. Douglas Wilson, South Dakota State
67. Matthew Hurt, Duke
68. Cameron Krutwig, Loyola Chicago
69. Jordan Goodwin, Saint Louis
70. D'Mitrik Trice, Wisconsin
71. Jhivvan Jackson, UTSA
72. Kendric Davis, SMU
73. Isaiah Livers, Michigan
74. Paul Scruggs, Xavier
75. David Duke, Providence
76. Chris Smith, UCLA
77. Isaiah Joe, Arkansas
78. Neemias Queta, Utah State
79. Davion Mitchell, Baylor
80. Justin Moore, Villanova
81. Will Richardson, Oregon
82. Olivier Sarr, Kentucky
83. Carlik Jones, Louisville
84. Greg Brown, Texas
85. Isaiah Stevens, Colorado State
86. Yves Pons, Tennessee
87. Quade Green, Washington
88. Ron Harper, Rutgers
89. Jaden Shackelford, Alabama
90. Bryce Aiken, Seton Hall
91. Matt Mitchell, San Diego State
92. Aaron Henry, Michigan State
93.Terrence Clark, Kentucky
94. Jay Huff, Virginia
95. Charlie Moore, DePaul
96. Alex Barcello, BYU
97. Josh Christopher, Arizona State
98. Hasahn French, Saint Louis
99. Caleb Mills, Houston
100. Armando Bacot, North Carolina
 

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Great stuff. I’d be a little surprised to see Moore be that much more valuable than Hurt next year. I’d also have Bacot considerably higher, I think.
 
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Some of these players won't come back, but I suspect most will. I'll try to get a final list of my top 50 teams, with rosters included, and top 150 players in October. Here are my preliminary rankings. I'm sure I missed on a few teams and players. What do you think?

Top 50 Teams:
1. Gonzaga
2. Villanova
3. Baylor
4. Virginia
5. Wisconsin
6. Kansas
7. Michigan State
8. Duke
9. Iowa
10. Texas Tech
11. Creighton
12. Arizona State
13. Tennessee
14. West Virginia
15. Florida State
16. Houston
17. Kentucky
18. Rutgers
19. Arizona
20. Texas
21. Illinois
22. North Carolina
23. Oregon
24. Seton Hall
25. Michigan
26. Louisville
27. Florida
28. Indiana
29. Richmond
30. Ohio State
31. Minnesota
32. Stanford
33. Miami
34. Arkansas
35. Purdue
36. UConn
37. Oklahoma
38. LSU
39. NC State
40. UCLA
41. Dayton
42. Georgia Tech
43. Penn State
44. Alabama
45. Northern Iowa
46. USC
47. Saint Louis
48. BYU
49. Oklahoma State
50. Loyola Chicago

Top 100 Players:
1. Luka Garza, Iowa
2. Filip Petrusev, Gonzaga
3. Jared Butler, Baylor
4. Sam Hauser, Virginia
5. Marcus Zegarowski, Creighton
6. Cade Cunningham, Oklahoma State
7. Collin Gillespie, Villanova
8. Xavier Tillman, Michigan State
9. Remy Martin, Arizona State
10. Trayce Jackson-Davis, Indiana
11. Jeremiah Robinson-Earl, Villanova
12. Jalen Johnson, Duke
13. Marcus Garrett, Kansas
14. McKinley Wright, Colorado
15. BJ Boston, Kentucky
16. Scottie Barnes, Florida State
17. Corey Kispert, Gonzaga
18. Kofi Cockburn, Illinois
19. Matt Coleman, Texas
20. Oscar Tshiebwe, West Virginia
21. Keyontae Johnson, Florida
22. Evan Mobley, USC
23. Jalen Crutcher, Dayton
24. Garrison Brooks, North Carolina
25. DJ Carton, Marquette
26. Terrence Shannon, Texas Tech
27. Oscar Da Silva, Stanford
28. Loren Jackson, Akron
29. MaCio Teague, Baylor
30. AJ Green, Northern Iowa
31. Wendell Moore, Duke
32. Terry Taylor, Austin Peay
33. John Fulkerson, Tennessee
34. Marcus Carr, Minnesota
35. Ochai Agbaji, Kansas
36. Justise Sueing, Ohio State
37. Mitch Ballock, Creighton
38. John Petty, Alabama
39. Sandro Mamukelashvili, Seton Hall
40. Fatts Russell, Rhode Island
41. Trevion Williams, Purdue
42. Quentin Grimes, Houston
43. James Bouknight, UConn
44. Michael Devoe, Georgia Tech
45. CJ Elleby, Washington State
46. Joe Wieskamp, Iowa
47. Azuolas Tubelis, Arizona
48. Derek Culver, West Virginia
49. Franz Wagner, Michigan
50. Jacob Gilyard, Richmond
51. Marreon Jackson, Toledo
52. Javonte Smart, LSU
53. Jalen Suggs, Gonzaga
54. Colbey Ross, Pepperdine
55. Jayden Gardner, East Carolina
56. Myreon Jones, Penn State
57. Javion Hamlet, North Texas
58. Kihei Clark, Virginia
59. Nate Reuvers, Wisconsin
60. Scottie Lewis, Florida
61. DJ Funderburk, NC State
62. Nate Darling, Delaware
63. Brady Manek, Oklahoma
64. Ziaire Williams, Stanford
65. Derrick Alston, Boise State
66. Douglas Wilson, South Dakota State
67. Matthew Hurt, Duke
68. Cameron Krutwig, Loyola Chicago
69. Jordan Goodwin, Saint Louis
70. D'Mitrik Trice, Wisconsin
71. Jhivvan Jackson, UTSA
72. Kendric Davis, SMU
73. Isaiah Livers, Michigan
74. Paul Scruggs, Xavier
75. David Duke, Providence
76. Chris Smith, UCLA
77. Isaiah Joe, Arkansas
78. Neemias Queta, Utah State
79. Davion Mitchell, Baylor
80. Justin Moore, Villanova
81. Will Richardson, Oregon
82. Olivier Sarr, Kentucky
83. Carlik Jones, Louisville
84. Greg Brown, Texas
85. Isaiah Stevens, Colorado State
86. Yves Pons, Tennessee
87. Quade Green, Washington
88. Ron Harper, Rutgers
89. Jaden Shackelford, Alabama
90. Bryce Aiken, Seton Hall
91. Matt Mitchell, San Diego State
92. Aaron Henry, Michigan State
93.Terrence Clark, Kentucky
94. Jay Huff, Virginia
95. Charlie Moore, DePaul
96. Alex Barcello, BYU
97. Josh Christopher, Arizona State
98. Hasahn French, Saint Louis
99. Caleb Mills, Houston
100. Armando Bacot, North Carolina
Good shit and appreciate the effort as always.
 

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You obviously put in a lot of work here, but a few disagreements I have with regards to the Big Ten....

You've got Kispert at 17 and Livers at 73, yet they have very similar career profiles on comparable teams over the years (slight edge to Gonzaga). Livers numbers from last year should be about 10% higher given his injury problems. Both of these guys feel like they should be in the 8-10 range for their position and 40-50 overall.

Trice at 70 shouldn't be in a top 150. He is just an average shooting guard entering his fifth season so no upside left. On the other hand his teammate Micah Potter could sit in that spot with no complaints given how productive he was last year in limited minutes.

Henry at 92 is too low. He should be in 70s as he is IMO around a #15 type guy for position. I also think Joey Hauser and Rocket Watts should be somewhere in 70s as well. (And I don't like sticking up for MSU guys)

Nonetheless, very good read. Appreciate the work done here.
 

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Great stuff. I’d be a little surprised to see Moore be that much more valuable than Hurt next year. I’d also have Bacot considerably higher, I think.
Between Jalen Johnson, Wendell Moore, and Hurt, it's difficult for me to distinguish who's the most valuable - and who will improve the most. I believe Johnson in the most talented, so of the three I'd wager he'd be the one most likely to be All-American. I don't think 31 and 67 is a huge difference, to be honest. Anyone 1-50 is more or less 1st Team All-Conference. Anywhere from 51-100 is more or less 2nd Team All-Conference.

Nice thread op. Is this assuming Sarr plays for Kentucky?

Without him I have us around 23. With him I think we are closer to 9 or 10
I'm assuming Sarr will get the waiver, yes. I have him ranked 82nd, which would make him the 8th highest player in the SEC. Here are my top 10 players from the SEC.

15. BJ Boston, Kentucky
21. Keyontae Johnson, Florida
33. John Fulkerson, Tennessee
38. John Petty, Alabama
52. Javonte Smart, LSU
60. Scottie Lewis, Florida
77. Isaiah Joe, Arkansas
82. Olivier Sarr, Kentucky
86. Yves Pons, Tennessee
89. Jaden Shackelford, Alabama

You obviously put in a lot of work here, but a few disagreements I have with regards to the Big Ten....

You've got Kispert at 17 and Livers at 73, yet they have very similar career profiles on comparable teams over the years (slight edge to Gonzaga). Livers numbers from last year should be about 10% higher given his injury problems. Both of these guys feel like they should be in the 8-10 range for their position and 40-50 overall.

Trice at 70 shouldn't be in a top 150. He is just an average shooting guard entering his fifth season so no upside left. On the other hand his teammate Micah Potter could sit in that spot with no complaints given how productive he was last year in limited minutes.

Henry at 92 is too low. He should be in 70s as he is IMO around a #15 type guy for position. I also think Joey Hauser and Rocket Watts should be somewhere in 70s as well. (And I don't like sticking up for MSU guys)

Nonetheless, very good read. Appreciate the work done here.
I have a hard time evaluating Wisconsin. They're likely a top 10 team, but not sure we'll see any of their guys sniff an All-American team. I thought Trice was the lead ball-handler? Micah Potter was definitely efficient - and I did consider him for the top 100. I'll extend my rankings to 150 in October, and I'm sure Potter will make it.

I feel like Aaron Henry could be a superstar. He has the tools to really shine next year. But yes, Watts and Hauser are other players to consider. Most of the power conferences had 10-12 players in the top 100. So, if someone missed the top 100, it's essentially saying they missed 2nd Team All-Conference, which shouldn't be a huge slap in the face... I also included a fair share of players from mid-major conferences.

I suppose Kispert and Livers do have relatively similar stats. Although Kispert mostly plays the 3 at Gonzaga, while Livers is a 4. So, I would expect more rebounds from Livers. And Kispert had a true shooting percentage of 62.1%, while Livers was at 59.0%. The biggest difference, of course, is I believe Gonzaga is the preseason #1 team in the country. And Michigan, IMO, is a fringe top 25.
 

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I think KU will likely have a few players (aside from Garrett) that will make a bigger impact than Agbaji. Hard group to project though.
 
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Top 100 Players by conference
Big Ten: 15
ACC: 12
Big East: 12
Big XII: 12
Pac-12: 11
SEC: 11
Atlantic 10: 5
WCC: 5
AAC: 4
MWC: 4
MAC: 2
MVC: 2
C-USA: 2
Other: 3

The Big Ten had 15 guys in my top 100. All of the other power conferences had 11-12 guys. 28 players from non-Power 6 conferences are included in the top 100. So yes, anyone included in the top 100 is essentially an all-conference player.

Summary
ACC:

4. Sam Hauser, Virginia
12. Jalen Johnson, Duke
16. Scottie Barnes, Florida State
24. Garrison Brooks, North Carolina
31. Wendell Moore, Duke
44. Michael Devoe, Georgia Tech
58. Kihei Clark, Virginia
61. DJ Funderburk, NC State
67. Matthew Hurt, Duke
83. Carlik Jones, Louisville
94. Jay Huff, Virginia
100. Armando Bacot, North Carolina

Big East:
5. Marcus Zegarowski, Creighton
7. Collin Gillespie, Villanova
11. Jeremiah Robinson-Earl, Villanova
25. DJ Carton, Marquette
37. Mitch Ballock, Creighton
39. Sandro Mamukelashvili, Seton Hall
43. James Bouknight, UConn
74. Paul Scruggs, Xavier
75. David Duke, Providence
80. Justin Moore, Villanova
90. Bryce Aiken, Seton Hall
95. Charlie Moore, DePaul

Big XII:
3. Jared Butler, Baylor
6. Cade Cunningham, Oklahoma State
13. Marcus Garrett, Kansas
19. Matt Coleman, Texas
20. Oscar Tshiebwe, West Virginia
26. Terrence Shannon, Texas Tech
29. MaCio Teague, Baylor
35. Ochai Agbaji, Kansas
48. Derek Culver, West Virginia
63. Brady Manek, Oklahoma
79. Davion Mitchell, Baylor
84. Greg Brown, Texas

Big Ten:
1. Luka Garza, Iowa
8. Xavier Tillman, Michigan State
10. Trayce Jackson-Davis, Indiana
18. Kofi Cockburn, Illinois
34. Marcus Carr, Minnesota
36. Justise Sueing, Ohio State
41. Trevion Williams, Purdue
46. Joe Wieskamp, Iowa
49. Franz Wagner, Michigan
56. Myreon Jones, Penn State
59. Nate Reuvers, Wisconsin
70. D'Mitrik Trice, Wisconsin
73. Isaiah Livers, Michigan
88. Ron Harper, Rutgers
92. Aaron Henry, Michigan State

Pac-12:
9. Remy Martin, Arizona State
14. McKinley Wright, Colorado
22. Evan Mobley, USC
27. Oscar Da Silva, Stanford
45. CJ Elleby, Washington State
47. Azuolas Tubelis, Arizona
64. Ziaire Williams, Stanford
76. Chris Smith, UCLA
81. Will Richardson, Oregon
87. Quade Green, Washington
97. Josh Christopher, Arizona State

SEC:
15. BJ Boston, Kentucky
21. Keyontae Johnson, Florida
33. John Fulkerson, Tennessee
38. John Petty, Alabama
52. Javonte Smart, LSU
60. Scottie Lewis, Florida
77. Isaiah Joe, Arkansas
82. Olivier Sarr, Kentucky
86. Yves Pons, Tennessee
89. Jaden Shackelford, Alabama
93. Terrence Clark, Kentucky

Atlantic 10:
23. Jalen Crutcher, Dayton
40. Fatts Russell, Rhode Island
50. Jacob Gilyard, Richmond
69. Jordan Goodwin, Saint Louis
98. Hasahn French, Saint Louis

West Coast:

2. Filip Petrusev, Gonzaga
17. Corey Kispert, Gonzaga
53. Jalen Suggs, Gonzaga
54. Colbey Ross, Pepperdine
96. Alex Barcello, BYU

American Athletic:
42. Quentin Grimes, Houston
55. Jayden Gardner, East Carolina
72. Kendric Davis, SMU
99. Caleb Mills, Houston

Mountain West:
65. Derrick Alston, Boise State
78. Neemias Queta, Utah State
85. Isaiah Stevens, Colorado State
91. Matt Mitchell, San Diego State

MAC:
28. Loren Jackson, Akron
51. Marreon Jackson, Toledo

Missouri Valley:
30. AJ Green, Northern Iowa
68. Cameron Krutwig, Loyola Chicago

Conference USA:
57. Javion Hamlet, North Texas
71. Jhivvan Jackson, UTSA

Schools from Other Conferences:
32. Terry Taylor, Austin Peay
62. Nate Darling, Delaware
66. Douglas Wilson, South Dakota State
 

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I think Franz will outplay his ranking. Had a lot of factors against him last year that should be evened out year 2.
 

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Trice and Davison are somewhat duo combo guards for Wisconsin's starting backcourt. Those two are both around back end top 150 or roughly the 4-5 best player in the conference at their position. Add Ford as well who is probably a top 200 along with Reuvers and Potter and yeah they are around #10 nationally. No real starpower, but no weak links either.

As for the Zags reasoning, I think you are buying Kispert too high and other guys too low. I'm not even sure if Kispert should be ahead of Timme or Ayayi who are both not on your list.
 
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I think David Johnson and Sam Williamson will break out this year, both showed flashes last year.
 
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Trice and Davison are somewhat duo combo guards for Wisconsin's starting backcourt. Those two are both around back end top 150 or roughly the 4-5 best player in the conference at their position. Add Ford as well who is probably a top 200 along with Reuvers and Potter and yeah they are around #10 nationally. No real starpower, but no weak links either.

As for the Zags reasoning, I think you are buying Kispert too high and other guys too low. I'm not even sure if Kispert should be ahead of Timme or Ayayi who are both not on your list.
I'm sure I'll have some adjustments when I revise my rankings in October. Just something I spat out fairly quickly. I think you've explained Wisconsin's situation well. And I don't disagree with those assessments.

And yes, it's possible I'm overvaluing Kispert. Gonzaga has a very balanced lineup, and Ayayi and Timme are two other guys that will factor into how shots are distributed. Ayayi probably could have been in the top 100; Timme is probably in the top 150 somewhere. What I like about Kispert, is his shooting efficiency. 51.7% on 2-pointers and 43.8% on 3-pointers. With a few more shots per game, I wouldn't be surprised to see him average 16-17 ppg. Between the losses of Tillie, Woolridge, and Gilder, Zags lost around 34 ppg in scoring. Suggs figures to take some of that load. But, I would be surprised if Kispert isn't given a larger load. If Zags are a top 5 team, and Kispert is averaging 16-17 ppg, he very much would be deserving of being considered a top 20 player.

I think David Johnson and Sam Williamson will break out this year, both showed flashes last year.
Very, very possible. I think I like Johnson a little better, at this stage of their careers. Williamson should do well with starter minutes. I could see DJ averaging around 13-15 ppg - and maybe 10-12 ppg for Williamson.
 
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Wieskamp when you look at his stats as a SO compared to other past Iowa players he is ahead of the curve
Weezy 14.0 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 1.6 apg, 1 spg
Jok 7.0 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 1.3 apg, 0.6 spg

now Jok JR stats 16.1 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 1.4 apg, 1.3 spg

Jok made his 1st jump between his SO and JR season now we will see how he does as a JR. this will also determine how good this team will be.

the defense will be improved with better defensive rebounding.

also Jordan should be in the top 100. as he in on pace to set the BT Record for made 3's a career 40+% shooter from 3. what he has done he is definitely a top 100 player.
 

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I'm sure I'll have some adjustments when I revise my rankings in October. Just something I spat out fairly quickly. I think you've explained Wisconsin's situation well. And I don't disagree with those assessments.

And yes, it's possible I'm overvaluing Kispert. Gonzaga has a very balanced lineup, and Ayayi and Timme are two other guys that will factor into how shots are distributed. Ayayi probably could have been in the top 100; Timme is probably in the top 150 somewhere. What I like about Kispert, is his shooting efficiency. 51.7% on 2-pointers and 43.8% on 3-pointers. With a few more shots per game, I wouldn't be surprised to see him average 16-17 ppg. Between the losses of Tillie, Woolridge, and Gilder, Zags lost around 34 ppg in scoring. Suggs figures to take some of that load. But, I would be surprised if Kispert isn't given a larger load. If Zags are a top 5 team, and Kispert is averaging 16-17 ppg, he very much would be deserving of being considered a top 20 player.



Very, very possible. I think I like Johnson a little better, at this stage of their careers. Williamson should do well with starter minutes. I could see DJ averaging around 13-15 ppg - and maybe 10-12 ppg for Williamson.
Fair assessment. I think our backcourt will be solid this year with DJ, Carlik, Sam, Josh Nickelberry and Deandre Davis. Way better than the past few years at least.
 

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If Johnson ends up in the top 100 it will be because of his overall game not sure he's going to be a big scorer. But he can rebound and pass and rack up steals too.
 

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Good list! If we play, keep an eye on Jemaine Samuels. He could crack that list as well for Nova.
 
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Kofi of Illinois has no business in the top 20.

there were other players in the BT that deserve it more. Kofi maybe at best top 100 between 76 and 100 at best.
 

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You obviously put in a lot of work here, but a few disagreements I have with regards to the Big Ten....

You've got Kispert at 17 and Livers at 73, yet they have very similar career profiles on comparable teams over the years (slight edge to Gonzaga). Livers numbers from last year should be about 10% higher given his injury problems. Both of these guys feel like they should be in the 8-10 range for their position and 40-50 overall.

Trice at 70 shouldn't be in a top 150. He is just an average shooting guard entering his fifth season so no upside left. On the other hand his teammate Micah Potter could sit in that spot with no complaints given how productive he was last year in limited minutes.

Henry at 92 is too low. He should be in 70s as he is IMO around a #15 type guy for position. I also think Joey Hauser and Rocket Watts should be somewhere in 70s as well. (And I don't like sticking up for MSU guys)

Nonetheless, very good read. Appreciate the work done here.
Appreciate it, was going to post that but looks like a UM guy beat me to it.
 

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I think Scruggs for X will crack the top 50.

Not sure where I'd place Pons for the Vols but that dude has a hell of a ceiling. May not see the best of him until next level.
 

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I was semi-meticulous with ranking my guys 1-40. After that, it was kind of a free for all. Some of the assessments made by you all I can definitely get on board with...

Too High:
19. Matt Coleman, Texas
70. D'Mitrik Trice, Wisconsin

Too Low:
74. Paul Scruggs, Xavier
86. Yves Pons, Tennessee
92. Aaron Henry, Michigan State

Players not ranked that should be considered:
David Johnson, Louisville
Joey Hauser, Michigan State
Micah Potter, Wisconsin
Jermaine Samuels, Villanova
Andrew Jones, Texas
Joel Ayayi, Gonzaga
Drew Timme, Gonzaga

Neutral (I feel okay with the ranking, but I could see it going either way):
Franz Wagner, Michigan
Isaiah Livers, Michigan
Wendell Moore, Duke

Assessments that I disagree with:
-rankings that were seen as too high...
17. Corey Kispert, Gonzaga (All-American potential, IMO; minimum of top 50)
18. Kofi Cockburn, Illinois (All-American potential; minimum of top 50)

-I disagree that KU will have a few players more impactful than #35 Agbaji (outside of Garrett). Agbaji will be a very solid #2 option, probably 2nd Team All-Conference.
-Bohannon doesn't merit a whole lot of top 100 consideration. Not even certain that he's going to start, tbh.
 

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In the minds of the ignorant
Andrew Jones playing last year at 65-80% had numbers comparable to Matt Coleman. Even then they were below his career numbers

Actually is saying he feels better now than he did before getting sick.

I expect numbers closer to what he had in his Sophomore year next year plus with more minutes.
Per 40 minutes he was a 23+ PPG scorer.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/andrew-jones-3.html
Per 40 minutes Coleman has been consistent. A good player but around 13-15 PPG.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/matt-coleman-3.html

I would be very surprised if Coleman has a break out season.
I know that he received credit from the Big 12 last year and deserves it but I think he is closer to being a Top 60 player maybe Top 70.
 
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I believe it is more of a projection. He has Jalen Suggs in at 53 and he hasn't played a game yet.
maybe but it looks more like the current players who have played. or if it is a projection then Jordan should be in the top 50 based off of past results
FR season one of 2 FR to record 175+ assist and 85+ made 3's in the previous 25 years
SO season the only player in the previous 25 years to post back to back seasons of 175+ assists and 85+ made 3's

a career 3 % of 40%+ shooter on pace to set the BT's all time 3 pointers made.

most BT teams would love to have a player on their team that can and did that.
 
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Love my UNC TAR HEELS!

!!!!!!!!!!!! GO TAR HEELS !!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Always appreciate you doing this but Johnson being #12 is a giant homer pick lol. He's #12 on the composite. Let alone being the second highest rated freshman, him being #12 is egregious.
 

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I was semi-meticulous with ranking my guys 1-40. After that, it was kind of a free for all. Some of the assessments made by you all I can definitely get on board with...

Too High:
19. Matt Coleman, Texas
70. D'Mitrik Trice, Wisconsin

Too Low:
74. Paul Scruggs, Xavier
86. Yves Pons, Tennessee
92. Aaron Henry, Michigan State

Players not ranked that should be considered:
David Johnson, Louisville
Joey Hauser, Michigan State
Micah Potter, Wisconsin
Jermaine Samuels, Villanova
Andrew Jones, Texas
Joel Ayayi, Gonzaga
Drew Timme, Gonzaga

Neutral (I feel okay with the ranking, but I could see it going either way):
Franz Wagner, Michigan
Isaiah Livers, Michigan
Wendell Moore, Duke

Assessments that I disagree with:
-rankings that were seen as too high...
17. Corey Kispert, Gonzaga (All-American potential, IMO; minimum of top 50)
18. Kofi Cockburn, Illinois (All-American potential; minimum of top 50)

-I disagree that KU will have a few players more impactful than #35 Agbaji (outside of Garrett). Agbaji will be a very solid #2 option, probably 2nd Team All-Conference.
-Bohannon doesn't merit a whole lot of top 100 consideration. Not even certain that he's going to start, tbh.
then explain why Jordan is not in the top 50? he has done more than most of those.
 

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then explain why Jordan is not in the top 50? he has done more than most of those.
His health is a big concern. And the shooting percentages were woefully unimpressive in the 10 games he played last season. Plus, he's a D- defender. I honestly don't know if he's going to start with Touissant, Frederick, and McCaffery commanding so many minutes. Maybe his shooting form will return? We shall see.

Also, consider the fact that I already have two Iowa players in the top 50. I have exactly zero teams with three guys in the top 50. If Iowa has the #1 player and the only team with three guys in the top 50, they might as well be the #1 team in the country.
 
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His health is a big concern. And the shooting percentages were woefully unimpressive in the 10 games he played last season. Plus, he's a D- defender. I honestly don't know if he's going to start with Touissant, Frederick, and McCaffery commanding so many minutes. Maybe his shooting form will return? We shall see.

Also, consider the fact that I already have two Iowa players in the top 50. I have exactly zero teams with three guys in the top 50. If Iowa has the #1 player and the only team with three guys in the top 50, they might as well be the #1 team in the country.
Welp there you have it! #1
 

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His health is a big concern. And the shooting percentages were woefully unimpressive in the 10 games he played last season. Plus, he's a D- defender. I honestly don't know if he's going to start with Touissant, Frederick, and McCaffery commanding so many minutes. Maybe his shooting form will return? We shall see.

Also, consider the fact that I already have two Iowa players in the top 50. I have exactly zero teams with three guys in the top 50. If Iowa has the #1 player and the only team with three guys in the top 50, they might as well be the #1 team in the country.
they are #5 in the too early polls, last fall before Jordan got sidelined Iowa a #3 seed just because of Jordan. nobody saw what Garza did coming
as for the starting lineup this should be the starters
PG Toussaint
SG Jordan
WG Wieskamp
PF Connor
C Garza if he comes back or 7'0 Nunge if he returns. last season Jordan was coming off hip surgery then was lost to a 2nd hip surgery. these hip surgery's entailed shaving his hip bone and not major surgery both hips the 2nd was because of how he favored his one hip, now he is the healthiest he has been since his FR season.

playing on a bad hip limited his ability to defend.
when he was healthy as a FR he had 29 steals, 67 defensive rebounds, 3rd in scoring @10.9 ppg
as a SO playing with a foot injury he had these for stats
2nd in scoring @13.5 ppg, 70 defensive rebounds, 22 steals shooting 42,3% from the field, 90.4% from the FTL and 43% from 3.
as a JR playing on a bad hip 3rd in scoring @11.6 ppg, 73 defensive rebounds, 23 steal, shooting 38.1 % from the field, 87.2% from the FTL and 38.8% from 3.

and yet all you can use is just 10 games of which he only started half of. as Connor started 5 of them then Toussaint started the rest when Jordan shut it down, this is why people have then as the #5 team and a 2 or 3 seed.

this will be the deepest team Fran will have in his 10 years. Jordan is more of a SG/CG than he is a PG, Fredrick has already said will do whatever ir takes this team the best it can be even coming off the bench.

JBo is the best 3 point shooter and assist man on the team and when healthy is a very good rebounder on the long rebounds which killed Iowa last season.
 

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I was semi-meticulous with ranking my guys 1-40. After that, it was kind of a free for all. Some of the assessments made by you all I can definitely get on board with...

Too High:
19. Matt Coleman, Texas
70. D'Mitrik Trice, Wisconsin

Too Low:
74. Paul Scruggs, Xavier
86. Yves Pons, Tennessee
92. Aaron Henry, Michigan State

Players not ranked that should be considered:
David Johnson, Louisville
Joey Hauser, Michigan State
Micah Potter, Wisconsin
Jermaine Samuels, Villanova
Andrew Jones, Texas
Joel Ayayi, Gonzaga
Drew Timme, Gonzaga

Neutral (I feel okay with the ranking, but I could see it going either way):
Franz Wagner, Michigan
Isaiah Livers, Michigan
Wendell Moore, Duke

Assessments that I disagree with:
-rankings that were seen as too high...
17. Corey Kispert, Gonzaga (All-American potential, IMO; minimum of top 50)
18. Kofi Cockburn, Illinois (All-American potential; minimum of top 50)

-I disagree that KU will have a few players more impactful than #35 Agbaji (outside of Garrett). Agbaji will be a very solid #2 option, probably 2nd Team All-Conference.
-Bohannon doesn't merit a whole lot of top 100 consideration. Not even certain that he's going to start, tbh.
All insider reports have emphasized that Tre Williams came out of the lockdown in phenomenal shape, and if that is the case, dude is ready to make a huge jump since it was the only thing holding him back. With that being said, I don’t think your ranking of him is off without seeing the actual results on the court.
 
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they are #5 in the too early polls, last fall before Jordan got sidelined Iowa a #3 seed just because of Jordan. nobody saw what Garza did coming
as for the starting lineup this should be the starters
PG Toussaint
SG Jordan
WG Wieskamp
PF Connor
C Garza if he comes back or 7'0 Nunge if he returns. last season Jordan was coming off hip surgery then was lost to a 2nd hip surgery. these hip surgery's entailed shaving his hip bone and not major surgery both hips the 2nd was because of how he favored his one hip, now he is the healthiest he has been since his FR season.

playing on a bad hip limited his ability to defend.
when he was healthy as a FR he had 29 steals, 67 defensive rebounds, 3rd in scoring @10.9 ppg
as a SO playing with a foot injury he had these for stats
2nd in scoring @13.5 ppg, 70 defensive rebounds, 22 steals shooting 42,3% from the field, 90.4% from the FTL and 43% from 3.
as a JR playing on a bad hip 3rd in scoring @11.6 ppg, 73 defensive rebounds, 23 steal, shooting 38.1 % from the field, 87.2% from the FTL and 38.8% from 3.

and yet all you can use is just 10 games of which he only started half of. as Connor started 5 of them then Toussaint started the rest when Jordan shut it down, this is why people have then as the #5 team and a 2 or 3 seed.

this will be the deepest team Fran will have in his 10 years. Jordan is more of a SG/CG than he is a PG, Fredrick has already said will do whatever ir takes this team the best it can be even coming off the bench.

JBo is the best 3 point shooter and assist man on the team and when healthy is a very good rebounder on the long rebounds which killed Iowa last season.
I had 9 players from the Big Ten in the top 50. So, essentially all 9 of those players would be projected to make 1st or 2nd Team All-Conference. You still feeling confident about Iowa having 3 of the top 50 players? If you do, let's make a year long avatar bet. If Iowa has 3+ players earn 1st or 2nd Team All-Big Ten, then I'll use any avatar provided by you. If it's two players or less making 2nd Team All-Big Ten, then I'll pick your avatar for a year.
 

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All insider reports have emphasized that Tre Williams came out of the lockdown in phenomenal shape, and if that is the case, dude is ready to make a huge jump since it was the only thing holding him back. With that being said, I don’t think your ranking of him is off without seeing the actual results on the court.
Seems reasonable. I expect I'm probably missing out on several guys that are going to break out in 2021. How do you feel about Marcus Carr being ranked 34th?
 

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I think David Johnson and Sam Williamson will break out this year, both showed flashes last year.
I will never understand why DJ didn’t get more minutes last year. I didn’t watch every game, but the ones I did he was clearly the best PG option. I don’t look forward to him playing against UK in the future.
 

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I will never understand why DJ didn’t get more minutes last year. I didn’t watch every game, but the ones I did he was clearly the best PG option. I don’t look forward to him playing against UK in the future.
He had a shoulder injury in the summer before his freshman year and didn’t really get worked back into the lineup until conference play, and even then it was limited minutes. This year I see us running him at point and Carlik almost a combo guard with Sam playing SF. If this season does happen, looking forward to the big game...I’m excited to see Boston and T Clarke. Gonna be a fun game from a backcourt standpoint that’s for sure.
 
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He had a shoulder injury in the summer before his freshman year and didn’t really get worked back into the lineup until conference play, and even then it was limited minutes. This year I see us running him at point and Carlik almost a combo guard with Sam playing SF. If this season does happen, looking forward to the big game...I’m excited to see Boston and T Clarke. Gonna be a fun game from a backcourt standpoint that’s for sure.
….but it won't be fun for you from a scoreboard standpoint.