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You quoted me and then came back with some pretty random stuffread the thread. and read what I was quoting.
Karl Malone played one season in La after he joined AARP and 18 seasons in Utah son. You don’t know what you’re talking about.
Got eem.Superstars didn’t cry and join other teams when they couldn’t win a ship?
It lasted one year because Karl Malone retiredDid you seriously call me son? How do I not know what I’m talking about. Malone left Utah to create a “super team” in LA with Shaq, Kobe, and Gary Payton in an effort to win championships. It only lasted a year because it was a total disaster and the entire roster was blown up at the end of the season.
It lasted one year because Karl Malone retired
Never remember MJ doing that. Seemed like he played for the Bulls quite some time. You never saw Magic or Larry whining about how bad their teammates are.
Still no whining about how bad their teammates are.Because they joined loaded teams and/or drafted high caliber players in the following years...
Magic joined the Lakers who already had Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Jamaal Wilkes, Bob McAdoo. Within the next few seasons, they added young talent in James Worthy (#1 overall pick in 82 draft), Byron Scott (#3 pick in 83 draft), AC Green (#23 pick in 85 draft), etc.
Larry Bird joined the Celtics who had Pistol Pete, Tiny Archibald, Cedric Maxwell, and the following year they added #3 overall Kevin McHale, signed Robert Parish, drafted Danny Ainge in 82, signed Dennis Johnson in 83, drafted Sam Vincent in 85, drafted Reggie Louis in 88, etc.
MJ while in college was not even the best player on his college team. MJ blew up in the NBA.
Still no whining about how bad their teammates are.
not random just the facts about the players and what it was like when they played.You quoted me and then came back with some pretty random stuff
Still no whining about how bad their teammates are.
and yet Worthy was drafted by the Lakers before the Bulls chose MJ. I only posted he was not the best player on his team. the Lakers didn't agree on who was better.Huh?
Michael Jordan won consensus National Player of the Year in 1983-84, and won ACC POY in that season, and was a 1st Team All America that season (as well as the 1983 season)
Worthy was in the 1982 draft. Jordan was in the 1984 draft.and yet Worthy was drafted by the Lakers before the Bulls chose MJ. I only posted he was not the best player on his team. the Lakers didn't agree on who was better.
Malone retiredUmmmm no. Karl Malone retired because the lakers became a circus. Kobe was a free agent at the end of the season and refused to re-sign until Shaq was traded to the Heat. And Phil Jackson ended up quitting because of how much chaos there was on the team and because he didn’t get along with the then gm.
do you just put words in everyone mouth? When did I say half of that?not random just the facts about the players and what it was like when they played.
the 1 n done have gotten out of control. let those that think they are good enough to go pro out of HS go, then those that don't make it let alone get drafted. hopefully it will send a loud and clear msg to the wanna be's that they might not be has good as they think the are and go to and stay in school.
its people like you that want these players go to college for 1 year then don't care one whit about those same players if they crash and burn.
UNC was loaded with talent. who were the top 7 picks in 1984?Worthy was in the 1982 draft. Jordan was in the 1984 draft.
and yet Worthy was drafted by the Lakers before the Bulls chose MJ. I only posted he was not the best player on his team. the Lakers didn't agree on who was better.
Still no whining about how bad their teammates are.
We never argued with thatI stated my opinion on these 1 n done players, get rid of the 1 n done rule, College BB will be better off with out them
I don’t remember any of those guys acting like babies. Like I said before Karl Malone in LA one season doesn’t cut it. He was old. How are you going to put Wilt, Kareem, Moses, Scotty, Ewing and Garnett in there with Lebrun. It’s really not fair.Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Moses Malone, Charles Barkley, Scottie Pippen, Patrick Ewing, Alonzo Mourning, Karl Malone, Gary Payton, Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen, Shaquille O’Neal all played for multiple different teams. Every one of them are considered all time greats.
they are the few of NBA Players they are also the exception and not the rule.Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Moses Malone, Charles Barkley, Scottie Pippen, Patrick Ewing, Alonzo Mourning, Karl Malone, Gary Payton, Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen, Shaquille O’Neal all played for multiple different teams. Every one of them are considered all time greats.
Admittedly, I don't watch that much of Michigan's games, so this isn't a knock on him, it's more of a compliment to Wagner. But, I will be floored if he's playing even remotely close to how Wagner was playing! You definitely know that team a hell of a lot more than I do, so I'll take you at your word. But, imo Wagner did so much more for that team then any stat book will ever say. He was the perfect example of a teammate who will bring a team up a couple of levels when things got stressful.Jon Teske is up to shooting 36% from three in conference play. I think he's playing as well as Wagner did last year which is pretty crazy.
put those same players in their prime and yes they would be able to play against LeBron.I don’t remember any of those guys acting like babies. Like I said before Karl Malone in LA one season doesn’t cut it. He was old. How are you going to put Wilt, Kareem, Moses, Scotty, Ewing and Garnett in there with Lebrun. It’s really not fair.
Honestly, I've got to admit....I've never thought about it this way before. Usually that means its because it's a crazy stupid idea lol, but this is a good one.Nothing selfish about it. Its why we're fans. I dont understand this new mentality where we're supposed to be about the player getting paid. IDGAF, they arent going to give me millions.
I don’t remember any of those guys acting like babies. Like I said before Karl Malone in LA one season doesn’t cut it. He was old. How are you going to put Wilt, Kareem, Moses, Scotty, Ewing and Garnett in there with Lebrun. It’s really not fair.
Don't forget about Scottie Pippen refusing to go in for the final play during a playoff game because he wasn't going to take the final shot.Who acts like a baby now?
Charles Barkley demanded a trade from the Suns
https://www.thesportster.com/basketball/top-20-nba-players-who-wanted-off-their-team/15/?v=6&n=f
Shaq demanded a trade from the Lakers.
Kobe demanded a trade, but they brought in Pau Gasol to appease him.
Hakeem the Dream demanded a trade and faked a hamstring injury. The Rockets still didn't trade him though:
https://www.thesportster.com/basketball/top-20-nba-players-who-wanted-off-their-team/18/?v=6&n=f
Wilt Chamberlain demanded a trade:
https://www.thesportster.com/basketball/top-20-nba-players-who-wanted-off-their-team/19/?v=6&n=f
Kareem Abdul Jabbar demanded a trade, which is how he got to the Lakers;
https://www.thesportster.com/basketball/top-20-nba-players-who-wanted-off-their-team/20/?v=6&n=f
Sorry bud, but you're seriously off base on this one. The 90's had better and bigger stars then today...and I don't think its really that close.Hard to whine when your team wins the NBA Championship your rookie season (for Magic)...
And then Bird's Celtics won the title the following season...
What is there to complain about, for those 2?
I don’t remember any of those guys acting like babies. Like I said before Karl Malone in LA one season doesn’t cut it. He was old. How are you going to put Wilt, Kareem, Moses, Scotty, Ewing and Garnett in there with Lebrun. It’s really not fair.
LeBron, Durant, Curry, Davis, Harden, Westbrook. Those 6 names are as good or better than many guys on your list. There's plenty of other young stars in today's game that will end up being as good or better than those guys on your list. I also have a strong nostalgia for the 1990's but I also recognize that today's players are just as big of stars as the guys in the 1990's were for me.Sorry bud, but you're seriously off base on this one. The 90's had better and bigger stars then today...and I don't think its really that close.
Think about it for a second...
Jordan, pippen, Rodman, Barkley, malone, Stockton, Miller, Ewing, drexler, Hakeem, Isaiah and all of the "bad boys" in Detroit ,magic, Kareem, worthy, the celtics dynasty , David Robinson....I could easily go on for another 20 minutes naming the stars back then for the league.
Jordan, pippen, Rodman, Barkley, malone, Stockton, Miller, Ewing, drexler, Hakeem, Isaiah and all of the "bad boys" in Detroit ,magic, Kareem, worthy, the celtics dynasty , David Robinson....I could easily go on for another 20 minutes naming the stars back then for the league.
Huh??? Teske has improved from last year quite a bit, but he isn't even close to being the player Wagner was last year. Moe did a lot more than just hit 3s. He was also routinely taking guys off the dribble from the 3pt line in. I'm not even sure Teske knows how to dribble.
Well, he clearly isn't talking about his time at Kentucky but more his overall views on the exploitations of the NCAA. I agree and disagree but certainly understand his view (which is more relevant than mine).
I don't watch the NBA. It is not a good game in my book.I like college basketball so much more than the NBA, so I selfishly hate that the ultimate goal is the nba. I want the ultimate goal to be an ncaa championship
Solid points, I can’t recall Wilt. I just didn’t see these guys trashing their teammates and demanding trades left and right. I don’t think LeBron is trash I just think he is a bit of a baby. And you have a lovely bell tower by the way! Go Pack!If you don’t remember those guys acting like babies it’s most likely because you’re not old enough.
Pippen refused to go into a playoff game for the last possession because Phil drew up a play for Toni Kukoc instead of him. He also had a very public feud with Barkley for many years after their one season together in Houston and he was known for throwing his teammates under the bus.
Barkley forced his way out of two different teams, made the “I’m not a role model” commercial, once threw a guy through a window at a bar and had to apologize after claiming that he hated white people.
Wilt Chamberlain was detested by pretty much every coach and teammate he ever had of which there are many interviews and stories out there to back up.
Shaq was run out of Orlando after fighting with Penny Hardaway and demanding to be the highest paid player in the league. Then was run out of LA after fighting with Kobe.
Solid points, I can’t recall Wilt. I just didn’t see these guys trashing their teammates and demanding trades left and right. I don’t think LeBron is trash I just think he is a bit of a baby. And you have a lovely bell tower by the way! Go Pack!
I agree. The NBA for died with Jordan's last game. It then resurrected with James and then Curry into a ball hog traveling circus. I can hardly watch highlights..To me it mirrors pro wrestling.I like college basketball so much more than the NBA, so I selfishly hate that the ultimate goal is the nba. I want the ultimate goal to be an ncaa championship
Never remember MJ doing that. Seemed like he played for the Bulls quite some time. You never saw Magic or Larry whining about how bad their teammates are.